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Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by howunfortunate on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:06PM (#50408066)
As another example, imagine if "trans women are" autosuggested "men" or "ugly" for the next prediction.

This would probably be a bad customer experience for many people, even if Apple could prove these are simply the most common n-gram completions.

And if they altered their training data to avoid completions that are politically unpalatable, IMO that's actually much much worse than a grey list.

I'm a big free speech guy but this one is genuinely a bit complex.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by xenator on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:20PM (#50408169)
Autocomplete should be following the user's own behaviour. If a user thinks that "trans women are men", then it will be not a universal experience, it is just this separated user's own statistics.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by howunfortunate on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:29PM (#50408239)
This is a good solution but you still have to deal with the cold start problem for the ML
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by throooooo on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:35PM (#50408277)
Then you just don't suggest anything if there isn't enough data yet. Regardless, auto-complete suggestions is different from what TFA is about.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by alfjal on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:35PM (#50408274)
That's asking a lot given the current state of the iOS keyboard.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by nostrademons on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:52PM (#50408375)
It already does this. I've found it'll suggest my kids' names frequently, after just 1-2 letters. It didn't do this before they were born. I assume it's training on my previous messages.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by stackghost on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:29PM (#50408654)
I never understood the memes about autocorrect until I got an iPhone. The keyboard is so much worse than GBoard it’s incredible.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by hairofadog on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:51PM (#50408370)
I can imagine that autocompleting following users' behavior could bite people who do a lot of sexting or could reveal other secrets, ex. `the door code is`
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by conception on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:17PM (#50408582)
Yes, please allow me to have corps not only know everything about me but have a hyper accurate way to know what I’m thinking as well.

Or we could just type the whole sentence we need.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by reorder9695 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:00PM (#50408859)
Futo keyboard on Android has a transformer LM option that uses local ML for text prediction, I've found it to work very well. As far as I'm aware it's completely on device.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by SV_BubbleTime on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:34PM (#50409734)
“Generated entirely on device” seems like an omission that doesn’t cover diagnostic, telemetry, “product improvement” logs.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by stavros on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:55PM (#50409187)
A friend made a keyboard for iOS because he didn't like any of the existing ones, and it doesn't send any data anywhere: https://typeneuma.com
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by xenator on Sunday November 08, 2026 @03:58AM (#50411539)
It can be the same way as it works now, hash table with hits stats.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by rafram on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:38PM (#50408291)
> even if Apple could prove these are simply the most common n-gram completions

Tech-illiterate online mobs enraged by Apple “making a statement” will not stick around long enough to hear them argue about n-grams or whatever.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by bjourne on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:30PM (#50408659)
> As another example, imagine if "trans women are" autosuggested "men" or "ugly" for the next prediction.

Or imagine if it auto-completed "the Holocaust is" with "a myth created by the ZOG"! I don't like these "imagine if X was Y" arguments because X isn't Y. Refusing to auto-complete "the occupied territories" (X) is really not the same thing as refusing to auto-complete antisemitism or group-based hate speech (Y). Argue whether X is right or wrong without changing the subject.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by aucisson_masque on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:54PM (#50408814)
Most people are not anti semitic.

Most people are not against transsexuals and gays.

At least in the western civilization, I don’t see why it need to censor anything.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by melbournesky on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:13PM (#50408955)
They don't want to give people the opportunity to say something like, "trans women can't change their shoe or hand size so clearly there are differences in men and women" because that goes against the ideology.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by sssilver on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:16PM (#50409906)
Most people where?

In the Bay Area?

In the United States?

In the Middle East?

In India and China?

All of planet earth?

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by howunfortunate on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:21PM (#50408996)
> I don't like these "imagine if X was Y" arguments because X isn't Y

What you're really saying, perhaps without realizing it, is "I have zero empathy or theory of mind for people who have different views than me"

The whole reason these arguments exist is because power changes hands. If you like a rule only because the person currently wielding power aligns with you, you don't actually like the rule. You just like power.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by bjourne on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:35PM (#50410446)
Dumbest argument so far.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by briandw on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:00PM (#50408860)
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Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by cite_please on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:14PM (#50408957)
That’s ok. I’ve already made theguardian.com the bad guy a long time ago so the two cancel out.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by hnlmorg on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:29PM (#50409039)
There is a way to win here: make it an opt out

- [ ] Disable autocomplete swear filter.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by sam1714 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:04PM (#50409252)
You'd end up with pages of options, especially once people realize they can get on the bandwagon.

Disable swears, alcohol, smoking, marijuana, gambling, child abuse and neglect, sensitive East Asian politics, sensitive Middle Eastern politics, WWII politics, Late Ottoman genocides, LGB issues, T issues, HOA issues, vegetarian issues, vegan issues...

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by hnlmorg on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:43AM (#50411764)
You really don’t need to get that granular.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by hnlmorg on Sunday November 08, 2026 @05:35AM (#50412027)
That’s a silly exaggeration. You’re literally just saying “there shouldn’t be a user toggle because developers have no self-control for stopping at one toggle”.

To which the obvious counterargument is just “well of course they can stop at just one toggle. That’s not an excuse to have zero toggles”.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by Arnt on Sunday November 08, 2026 @07:53AM (#50412847)
There's a story about the Microsoft Word team. I'm not sure it's true, but here goes:

The team had heard that most customers only use 5% of Word's copious feature set, and as part of some rewrite the team set about finding out what the 5% were.

And it was most of the feature set. Customer A used these 5%, B these others...

It's easy to say just one option without describing exactly what that should do. L10n raises some questions, for example. Or just two options, or three. Much harder if you want to be specific.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by hnlmorg on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:07AM (#50412955)
We aren’t talking about completely disparate types of functionality. We are talking about enabling or disabling very narrow categories of words from literally one feature.

The store you mentioned wasn’t about exclusions from each and every dictionary. It was about tools that do entirely unique things.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by Arnt on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:24AM (#50413106)
I think you're saying that it's possible that Apple can add the option you want and go on stonewalling other people's requests for other options. Right?
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by hnlmorg on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:40AM (#50413270)
I'm saying the opposition against having an option is "what if people want more options?" is silly and unproductive.

Do you make the same argument for everything?

"You shouldn't treat yourself to a takeaway because what if you want more takeaways?"

"You shouldn't buy a car because what if you want more cars?"

etc.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by Retric on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:30PM (#50410187)
iOS has been steadily offering more options over time. And yes taken individually customization seems like the correct choice basically every time but eventually you end up with a mess.

Consider the logic for tap’s could offer hundreds of customizations. That’s core functionality and I’m sure someone internally is thinking deeply about many of them. But if you offer zero customization most people just get used to how things operate so skipping that functionality isn’t terrible for the average user. Instead they offer options for people with disabilities which is a distinct group who can’t just adapt and thus a meaningful justification.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by close04 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @05:27AM (#50411983)
Disabling the “predictive” feature entirely or allowing predictions based exclusively on what it learns from the user could work. The latter would probably be unpopular because learning from what you type sounds intrusive.

But any prediction picked by Apple without user input could be seen as Apple’s speech. If it’s suggested by Apple then they aren’t censoring you, they are censoring themselves.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by buran77 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:40PM (#50409110)
I don't blame Apple for trying to straddle the line that makes everyone equally unhappy. But I steer away from autocorrect entirely so I'm not irritated daily by this like others may be.

Talking about autocorrect and irritation, I remember a situation where someone caused a minor international incident by writing that something "caused a lot of irritation". The word they were aiming for before autocorrect chimed in was "iterations" (on a document). I'd rather make my own mistakes than constantly have to fight an autocorrect system.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by armchairhacker on Sunday November 08, 2026 @01:18AM (#50410881)
They could make it a simple algorithm and publish it. Then if someone accuses Apple of being biased towards their word, they just get directed to the algorithm.

Of course, people will still accuse Apple of being biased. But they’ll be wrong, and never manage to prove it (unlike this guy), which I think matters.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by Dylan16807 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:29PM (#50409715)
The problem here isn't a mere lack of suggestion. If it merely treated that situation as a completely blank context that wouldn't get in the way of typing.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by roenxi on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:05PM (#50409867)
I don't even think it is complex; you can say what you like so there isn't a free speech issue here. Users are still going to type what they intended to type. Apple can reasonably have their software avoid making guesses about what users meant to say on charged topics.

It'd be a better if Apple provided a list somewhere for transparency but what they are doing isn't going to cause anyone any trouble.

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by howunfortunate on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:19PM (#50410146)
"It's really hard to type anything outside the Overton window, and really easy and seamless to type anything inside the Overton window" is definitely a form of soft censorship worth worrying about IMO.
Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by roenxi on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:52PM (#50410507)
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Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by zahlman on Sunday November 08, 2026 @12:39AM (#50410715)
> I am perfectly capable of expressing myself if HN's software allows me to misspell…

This isn't about "promoting bad spelling"; we aren't talking about "misspelled 'bad' words don't get autocorrected". We're talking about a system where you try to type a "bad" word and the system substitutes a "good" word unless/until you override it. Or a system where you effectively choose every word from a menu, and the "bad" words are hidden using UI "dark patterns".

Re:Apple Keyboard has a blacklist of phrases you can't swipe by tobylane on Sunday November 08, 2026 @05:08AM (#50411885)
> I'm a big free speech guy but this one is genuinely a bit complex.

How does free speech come into it? Suggestions are not limitations (by a private company) on your output.