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Re:Running a law firm on Free software by theturtletalks on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:09AM (#50404266)
These law firms all using Harvey don’t know that they are giving Harvey everything they need to integrate vertically and become the Amazon for law. Then you are at their whim for every client. Also, AI doesn’t give you an edge if everyone is using the same cookie cutter solution.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by bix6 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:26AM (#50404827)
We use Carta for work and that is my fear with them.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by superfrank on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:04PM (#50406088)
I know at least 3 people who’ve worked there. Your fears are correct
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by bix6 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:45PM (#50406900)
What is their plan?

They exited secondaries in 2024 after blowback from using everyone’s data. But I could see them trying again soon.

Re:Running a law firm on Free software by lostlogin on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:44PM (#50406426)
And… what’s the lawyer for if the software can solve the issue?
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by jagged-chisel on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:57PM (#50406517)
You need someone willing to defend your argument in court. Someone who knows the process. Someone who knows the particular attitudes of the audience being addressed (judge, jury.)

That’s what the lawyer is for. Most simple things, especially where the law and your case are clear, can be handled by someone without a lawyer. It’s the other stuff where you need the lawyer.

Re:Running a law firm on Free software by nicce on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:18PM (#50409347)
It is kinda unique to the US were presentation, performance and using emotions matter a lot, instead of cold, neutral logic and arguments.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by thunderfork on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:27PM (#50410178)
One thing I think a lot of programmer-types fail to understand about law is that "rationality" and so on as we believe we understand it doesn't really exist. One of the most irrational human beliefs is in the existence of the rational human.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by cwmoore on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:12AM (#50412983)
Oh, c’mon, let’s be reasonable
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by theF00l on Sunday November 08, 2026 @07:57AM (#50412878)
Many Big Law firms do mostly transactions (eg M&A, restructuring, tax magic etc). Big part there is relationship management and knowing the system.

Not sure how many lawyers they will need there, one partner + one associate + AI will be able to do much more.

Re:Running a law firm on Free software by freejazz on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:28PM (#50409401)
The software doesn't solve the issue, they sell services to lawyers. They don't sell legal services to the public.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by eptcyka on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:12AM (#50411603)
Same as with programmers, you hire someone to be responsible, not to produce code or legal arguments.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by lordnacho on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:43AM (#50411765)
The issue isn't solved by the software, all the software does is to find the relevant information and present it in some form.

You still need a lawyer to judge what to find, and what the likely response of the judicial system will be.

Re:Running a law firm on Free software by MisterMunchkin on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:06AM (#50405167)
Just like how openAI and Anthropic have suddenly started consulting firms, right after obtaining everyone’s IP and secret documents.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by whattheheckheck on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:03PM (#50406081)
Its the eb and flow of knowledge and the search for useful information with energy constraints. Decentralized until technology catches up to scoop it all back up to a tower of Babel and then it collapses and the chaff gets discarded, and it goes back to decentralized with more efficient artifacts to do the next cycle
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by alansaber on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:43AM (#50405483)
This is funny, but the amlaw100 law firms signing up to enterprise saas have probably thought about their data protection terms
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by DrewADesign on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:13PM (#50406174)
> have probably thought about their data protection terms

Maybe. In my experience working with legal tech, a) lawyers are not as resistant to the ToS click through reflex as you might think, b) data privacy is often 1 step too abstract for people without subject matter expertise to usefully reason about, so marketing phrases like “enterprise-grade encryption” or whatever are more influential than one would hope, and c) these things are often considered more technical problems than legal problems, so reliability, lack of downtime, server-level security, and more traditional concerns like that likely take center stage.

I have no idea if that’s what happened here, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

Re:Running a law firm on Free software by tiahura on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:11AM (#50405710)
https://www.harvey.ai/legal/harvey-privacy-center

Does Harvey train AI models on Customer Data and Content

We understand and appreciate that Customers trust Harvey with highly confidential information. Harvey does not use Customer Data or Content to train AI models, or to improve our products and services. We also do not access Customer Data or Content except (i) to provide or support the Harvey Service or (ii) to comply with the law or a binding order of a governmental body.

Re:Running a law firm on Free software by SoftTalker on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:14AM (#50405728)
... at this time.

Also if you give your lawyer a document, that's privileged. If you upload it to Harvey, who knows?

Re:Running a law firm on Free software by stackskipton on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:46AM (#50405942)
It would be considered privileged if your lawyer told you to and you had no reason to doubt it wouldn’t be. Your lawyer would be negligent if they didn’t have a contract with Harvey.

Just like emailing your lawyer on Office365 doesn’t get rid of client attorney either.

Re:Running a law firm on Free software by whatthejesus on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:17PM (#50406205)
Yeah but it’s the data breaches that’s worrying right? They obviously store people’s data. They’ll get breached eventually they all do.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by stackskipton on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:14PM (#50406682)
Even during a data breach, leaked legal data can’t be used against you in most situations.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by nunez on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:21PM (#50406248)
> What is Customer Data and Content?

> Harvey defines Customer Data as documents uploaded to the Service by Harvey Customers. Content includes both the queries Customers input to the Service and the corresponding outputs from Harvey. In most cases, we talk about these terms together, as Customer Data and Content.

Doesn't include thinking/reasoning blocks though.

Nonetheless, I'd imagine that Amazon'ing law is unlikely given how much experience lawyers have with drafting contracts, but who knows.

Re:Running a law firm on Free software by caminante on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:36PM (#50406826)
Thank you!

I suspected it wasn't as broad.

I wonder how much value you can get from just the middle layer and maybe reverse engineer the input/outputs based on success/failure from user interactions.

Re:Running a law firm on Free software by nunez on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:32AM (#50426188)
The "middle layer" is why it's difficult to look up Amazon orders from email. They were afraid of Google doing the same thing.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by 306bobby on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:55PM (#50409823)
Couldn't reasoning tokens be considered "output", since it doesn't specifically say user facing output?
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by nunez on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:31AM (#50426172)
They don't define inputs or outputs, so that would be up to the lawyers to argue in court :)
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by 306bobby on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:02AM (#50426608)
Agreed. Hopefully in this case the vagueness works in the favor of the consumer for once XD
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by gadders on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:08PM (#50406626)
Well at least you have Legora as well.
Re:Running a law firm on Free software by freejazz on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:29PM (#50409412)
There is no secret sauce in what is known the ex-big law attorneys they already hire. It's the same thing known by Harvey's customers. And it's always been the case that any of Big Law clients can go anywhere cheaper. Especially as the price goes up each year.