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Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by mawadev on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @12:17PM (#50354863)
I'm confused, so google made websites indirectly unusable with all the advertisement incentives and then the AI summary came that usually just summarizes some reddit posts and now they subtly and indirectly block universities from using their entire search engine because unis block the AI part of search? What incentive does google even have on presenting the ai summary?

Does anyone even understand the world currently? Its so absurd to me, why does it exist to begin with and why is this drama appearing?

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by ChrisLTD on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @12:28PM (#50355079)
I'm guessing it's less about the AI in search and more about making sure kids are exposed to the larger Gemini ecosystem
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by deepfriedchokes on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @12:53PM (#50355473)
They want to make everyone cognitively dependent on AI so they can further insert themselves into our lives for profit. The younger they hook us the easier that will be.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by toomuchtodo on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:33PM (#50356134)
Google workspace playbook on steroids.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by sitkack on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:48PM (#50356355)
They also need the children's use of AI for behavioral training data so they can better capture that user base.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by rockskon on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @05:45PM (#50359315)
*dependant on the Gemini ecosystem.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by ChrisKnott on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @12:35PM (#50355187)
The AI will eventually incorporate ads.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by coffeeindex on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @12:51PM (#50355443)
Or already is. Subtly recommending/promoting certain products over others seems reasonably likely.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by panarky on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:14PM (#50355819)
You should offer at least a shred of evidence when making accusations like this.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by SJMG on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:32PM (#50356119)
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Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by WarmWash on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:47PM (#50356349)
Right now it's either ChatGPT ads or gaming search data to try and end up in AI overviews.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by viraptor on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @03:40PM (#50357874)
This is not different from standard SEO. You adjust the page to be more likely to select in the results. That's not the same thing as that LLM providers injecting explicit ads or steering results.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by outside1234 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:34PM (#50356154)
C'mon. It is almost like we haven't lived this in everything else (search, social, ...).
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by fn-mote on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:45PM (#50356307)
Oh, I agree that is probably BS right now, but when the bias is hidden in the weights, you’re never going to find it.

Just wait for “$1000/mo for a 10% chance your product is mentioned in the AI summary for an auto parts search”.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by Terr_ on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @03:22PM (#50357648)
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Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by 12_throw_away on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:05PM (#50358178)
Baking ads right into the weights would be extra evil, so they will probably do it. But, also, it would take me probably 10 minutes to write a skill to, say, call an API to retrieve advertising instructions and incorporate them into the output.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by ragall on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @03:52PM (#50358012)
It's not an accusation, but a very reasonable supposition.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by jayd16 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:31PM (#50358466)
What is an alternative monetization method for Google Search if not that?
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by harimau777 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @05:46PM (#50359317)
A couple that I can think of are: banner ads, sponsored results, subscriptions
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by jayd16 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @06:22PM (#50359594)
Ok so the same old ads and subs. So as usual I expect the ads to be interwoven in the valid results inline with the last 20 years or so.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @06:28PM (#50359649)
They could innovate and let people buy unobtrusive ads triggered by keywords. Crazy, but it just might work.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by Personability on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:56AM (#50367418)
Nah, the more obtrusive an ad is, the more profit the advertiser makes.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by clickety_clack on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @06:27PM (#50359643)
Google is a company that is famous for its advertising business. It would be foolhardy to require proof that they are advertising. If they are not already doing it, it is highly highly likely that there are several teams working on it.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by nativeit on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:40AM (#50362485)
“…seems reasonably likely.”

I don’t think the burden of proof for seeming reasonably likely is terribly high. That it sounds very much like something they’d do seems sufficient.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by AAThrash on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:41PM (#50358593)
In the 90s, when we used dial-up, I would set Google as my homepage because it was fast and ad-free.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by delusional on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @12:53PM (#50355464)
I think they're just asserting control. They want to control what you see on your devices. They own the worlds largest search engine, and they think they get to pick what's on it.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by in_cahoots on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:22PM (#50355956)
Not just universities. If it were universities it wouldn't be so bad since most students have their own laptop and can make their own decisions. This is a play to get AI in the hands of young kids. Most public K-12 schools use Google, so they either have to opt-in to AI and/or their 'helpful' educational chatbot, or not use search at all.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by RajuChacha108 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:27PM (#50356032)
Frankly this seems like a good decision to me.

Google's search is increasingly AI driven (as it should be, i do not want to click on reddit links and waste my time skimming through the 1000 comment threads), asking Google to maintain a non-AI search engine is like asking Tesla to come up with an ICE engine car right now. It is not happening.

Google Search I would expect will increasingly become more like Gemini and less like traditional search. Schools could certainly go to DuckDuckGo or other search engines that are free. (Google has shown that it does not care if they do as it sees it as a dying business.)

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by Terr_ on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:47PM (#50356344)
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Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by brainwad on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @01:59PM (#50356515)
There needs to be retrieval, but ranking can be fully offloaded to LLMs and they would probably do better. Legacy search engines do both parts, and their ranking is highly gameable judging by how SEOed they are.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by Terr_ on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @02:14PM (#50356762)
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Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by brainwad on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @02:41PM (#50357092)
Spoiler: regular search ranking doesn't see very many results, either. I mean, have you seen the results for a crowded query like this? They are trash.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by Terr_ on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:14PM (#50358281)
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Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by brainwad on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:27AM (#50362085)
Well, for some factual queries it can just know the answer inherently. Plus you can provide it all the curated data feeds that currently back first party results. But most of all, if there's no simple ranking signals to game, then SEO gets a lot harder.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by plasticeagle on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @02:46PM (#50357164)
And what, pray tell, will this search engine search?

If nobody is visiting anything on the internet, because every search engine response is an AI output, then where will any information for this AI output come from?

This paradox was clear from day one, pretty sure I posted on here about it years ago. AI search will kill the dataset that AI itself relies upon.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by mapontosevenths on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:29PM (#50358447)
You know what's replacing the open web and reddit? Conversations with AI models that were never posted to the open web.

That's exactly why they MUST have everyone opted in, even if they don't like it.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by bcrl on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @05:09PM (#50358953)
Peer review is what made information on sites like Stack Overflow and reddit have value. One on one conversations with an LLM are not an equivalent and direct substitution.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by dzhiurgis on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:24AM (#50362062)
Multiply those conversations by a thousand and you got some sort of ground truth.

It's a shame they will be siloed and get biased over time. I think AI labs will come up with ways to not-compete in certain areas too.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by curt15 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @05:11PM (#50358972)
That depends on whether the purpose of web search is to get answers or find references. Since students are still developing their reading and research skills, the latter goal is much more relevant in an educational setting.

AI boosters have a vested interest in getting people to forget the distinction between primary and secondary sources because they want to elevate chatbot output to the same legitimacy as primary sources.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by harimau777 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @05:48PM (#50359334)
The problem is that Google's AI search basically doesn't work. It routinely can't understand even simple prompts and is the only AI I've used that routinely hallucinates.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by Personability on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:57AM (#50367439)
And this is good for academia?
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by autoexec on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @02:26PM (#50356933)
> What incentive does google even have on presenting the ai summary?

I have some guesses:

They can artificially inflate the number of users who use their AI by including everyone who uses their search engine.

It trains people to be increasingly dependent on whatever google tells them instead of checking through, reading multiple sources, and verifying information for themselves.

They hope to let people pay them to manipulate what AI returns for certain searches (either mentioning certain things/products or suppressing mention of them).

Google search is getting increasingly useless as a constant flood of AI slop websites fills their results and people will abandon searching with if they can't find some way to provide people with the information they are looking for. (it's not going well so far https://arstechnica.com/google/2026/04/analysis-finds-google...)

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by rdtsc on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @02:59PM (#50357339)
> They can artificially inflate the number of users who use their AI by including everyone who uses their search engine

Yup I could see that being plausible. It’s like Microsoft and Copilot. Project managers got to boast how they got AI “adoption” numbers up just by shoving it into people’s faces.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by kakacik on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @03:07PM (#50357458)
World makes complete sense. Its just ran by properly fucked up sociopaths who can't ever reach happiness so they hyperfocus on competitive zero sum games with short ego boosts and with no regard for anybody else, future of their kids or anything larger. They think their legacy like that is something that will be admired for generations because they got a lot of money and who cares how they got it, right.

Most will end up in deep regrets, ie how jobs regretted being an asocial dick and all above to his own family before dying (thats the better outcome, many simply see them as stars of their show till last moments, like potus for example). Its not some secret cabal, these people if smart naturally bubble to top of social and financial hierarchies.

It used to be much less visible, some sort of on-surface decency momentum and shit behind the curtains, now everything is out in the open for whole civilization to see instantly and its pretty tiring and nauseating.

If you don't get it its fine, it means you are a normal human being, probably well balanced. Folks like that abhor such people personally, be it c-suites of corporations or politicians or just a pos colleague.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by EA-3167 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @03:28PM (#50357727)
Desperation to keep the fad alive a little longer? Maybe Google is secretly a huge fan of Kagi and wants to force Universities in that direction?
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by mapontosevenths on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:26PM (#50358423)
Kagi depends on Google's search API still. So they get paid either way, I guess.

I do sort of wonder how much longer Googles search API will even be a thing. They clearly have no interest in running a search engine anymore and are becoming actively hostile to the open web.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by alex1138 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @05:05PM (#50358904)
Annoyingly though, Reddit which apparently has some fucking stupid exclusivity agreement, results, are still a lot of the time found on Google, not even with Kagi using Google's API
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by Terr_ on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @05:25PM (#50359116)
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Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by georgel on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @07:23PM (#50360102)
With the quality of content on Reddit in recent years, I think you are better off not opening the site. The good ol' days where "some topic" +reddit have been long gone.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by alex1138 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:14AM (#50366726)
It's the most centralized decentralized thing. "Most real place on the internet"? Please. The site bans you. Subreddit mods ban you. Subreddit mods collude/have the same ones per subreddit

There was a period of time where even posting in r/lockdownskepticism would get you banned from (I'm making this up, I don't have the list. the point is it's like all the mainstream subs) r/funny r/pics etc etc

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by nativeit on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:42AM (#50362496)
Turning off Reddit sounds like a feature…especially as it’s being overrun with “SEO specialists” hocking their shitty, meaningless wares.
Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by EA-3167 on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @05:49PM (#50359345)
Kagi uses Google API as one among a number of sources, I don’t know if it’s a particularly vital one though. Personally whether it’s Kagi or something else I think the future of search will be tiered:

Free, terrible ad-riddled and essentially broken

Paid, you are the customer not the product.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by erentz on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @03:39PM (#50357859)
Dons tinfoil hat

Have you noticed how many people already use AI to do their thinking for them. They just ask it what to think, what to do, for everything. They want that for as many people as possible. They don’t want people going outside of Google to other websites to decide what to think. Yes they will put ads in it eventually. But in the end they will also use it to influence what the population thinks.

We already have some leaders and politicians outsourcing their thinking in this way. It will make these companies incredibly powerful.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by rolph on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @04:16PM (#50358309)
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Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by NewJazz on Tuesday November 03, 2026 @05:54PM (#50359386)
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Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by ImPostingOnHN on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:19AM (#50365893)
> Yes they will put ads in it eventually.

There are already ads in it, and also the chat stream is sold to companies which resell it to advertisers for targeting outside the chatbot.

Re:Google Will Turn Off Search for Schools That Reject A.I by fuzzfactor on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:41PM (#50385547)
Looks to me like Google has forced AI to make search much cheaper for them than it has ever been, and consequently as good as it can be under that limitation.

Which is still OK to a degree, thanks to progress in AI, but noticeably not as good as it used to be and it shows.

Seems like now even with all their money they can no longer afford to do it without AI, so the "real thing" is priced out of reach not only for budget-conscious orgs such as education, but for everybody :\