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Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by rob74 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @03:38AM (#48931422)
Nitpick: those are (sharp) edges, not corners. Maybe the next generation of MacBooks will also actually have exactly 90° non-rounded corners? I guess that's the next logical step...

Also, TIL that Bosch also makes files. I was under the impression that they only made powertools (or electronic measuring devices, or other things with a battery or power cord).

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by ctippett on Thursday July 16, 2026 @04:03AM (#48931590)
You mentioned Bosch and I can't think of anywhere or anyone else who'd be interested in this little bit of trivia, so a random comment on a thread about filing the edges off a laptop seems like a fitting place to share it.

Bosch dates their appliances using a thing called the Fertigungsdatum Number. The first two digits represent the year of manufacture, the second two are for the month. Except the year doesn't align with the actual year, you first have to add 20. Why 20? Well, Bosch first started using their internal dating system back in 1920 and appliances from that year started with the code "00". I had an oven that had a date of "7808", which means it was manufactured in August 1998 (it lasted almost 30 years before we finally had to replace it last month).

In 2020 the system wound back around and started with "00" again.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by fransje26 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @04:38AM (#48931857)
And the majority owner of Bosch is the Robert Bosch Stiftung (Robert Bosch foundation), which uses its dividends to fund projects in social sciences, public health and education.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by AndrewOMartin on Thursday July 16, 2026 @06:16AM (#48932556)
What a tragedy Robert Bosch Stiftung isn't receiving the dividends into his personal accounts, as this means he's not incentivized to keep innovating or to reduce prices.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by bluedevil2k on Thursday July 16, 2026 @07:37AM (#48933134)
He’s also been dead for 80 years, which also removes his incentives.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by vitorfblima on Thursday July 16, 2026 @09:15AM (#48934089)
There's always an excuse...
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by mlrtime on Thursday July 16, 2026 @06:20AM (#48932586)
At least you didn't go full 2026 anti capitalism rant that Bosch shouldn't exist to donate revenue in the first place :)
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by throwaway173738 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @08:33AM (#48933580)
I think you should look at their catalog. Their dishwashers have some wacky innovations like zeolite dryers. Their windshield wipers are very high quality and easy to install. These are just two examples.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by graemep on Thursday July 16, 2026 @08:44AM (#48933695)
See what happens when you miss a /s out?
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by Trollmann on Thursday July 16, 2026 @07:00AM (#48932860)
So essentially the epoch system we see in use for timestamps as well, including overflow behavior edge case.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by OoooooooO on Thursday July 16, 2026 @07:12AM (#48932938)
"Fertigungsdatum Number" is just the german word for "production date Number".
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by Cthulhu_ on Thursday July 16, 2026 @03:48AM (#48931478)
Their main bread and butter is components for cars and ebikes, their (power) tools / DIY stuff is like 22% of their business. Or so I learned just now.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by dijit on Thursday July 16, 2026 @05:16AM (#48932125)
as an aside, I have a shimano e-bike and a bosch one, and the bosch one is leagues superior.

Which feels weird when you consider the pedigree of shimano, but it makes sense when you think what kind of internals an ebike motor would need.. I guess.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by fhub on Thursday July 16, 2026 @05:30AM (#48932241)
I have two Bosch powered e-bikes (gazelle Modeo and Turn GSD) and one DJI Avinox (Amflow PL carbon)

A few years between each bike and very different bikes. But Avinox feels like it has come from nowhere to be on par or superior to Bosch. The charging plug egonicis is 100x better too.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by lmm on Thursday July 16, 2026 @08:19AM (#48933465)
Shimano is famously a company that people in about four seemingly random/unrelated fields/hobbies think of as a specialist brand in that hobby (e.g. fishing).

(They are or at least were originally a bearings company, specialising in things that need to spin with very low friction, and all their seemingly unrelated businesses started from that)

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by serf on Thursday July 16, 2026 @09:47AM (#48934532)
I don't know about the other industries, but within old cycling circles they're also just seen as the group that was first to make good counterfeit goods that were actually high enough quality to use, and their entrance to the market was aided by the fact that existing players, campagnolo and schwinn mostly, were producing junk from junk proprietary alloys in order to compete with 'overseas' components at truly exorbitant costs.

that was 40-50 years ago, so who cares, but Shimano is truly interesting for cultivating so many different opinions.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by mlrtime on Thursday July 16, 2026 @06:20AM (#48932592)
Bosch also makes the appliances that a lot of people know that aren't branded Bosch.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by rob74 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @06:29AM (#48932647)
Actually it's a little bit more complicated: the appliances are made by a company called BSH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSH_Hausger%C3%A4te) which was originally (since 1967!) a joint venture between Siemens and Bosch, but Siemens withdrew from it in 2014, and since then it's a fully owned subsidiary of Bosch (but still uses the Siemens brand as well as some other brands such as Gaggenau, Neff, Thermador etc.).
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by stanac on Thursday July 16, 2026 @06:32AM (#48932673)
Bosch owned Junkers since before WW2, at least heating appliances, I think airplanes where independent. They started rebranding Junkers to Bosch Thermotechnik ~20 years ago. I think they never sold heating appliances in UK under Junkers brand.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by HPsquared on Thursday July 16, 2026 @07:50AM (#48933234)
Someone in marketing must have put the kybosh (or maybe it's kybosch) on Junkers as a UK brand. For a couple of reasons, really.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by pseudohadamard on Thursday July 16, 2026 @09:30PM (#48942404)
Yeah, "Our Ju-88 will heat your home up real quick!" isn't really the optimal marketing slogan.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by mc32 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @07:38AM (#48933145)
Good idea since depending how you pronounce junkers in English it could sound like an undependable appliance.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by rob74 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @08:28AM (#48933540)
Another big reason is probably the infamous Junkers Ju 87 dive bomber which also saw use during the Battle of Britain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87). Or any of the other military Junkers aircraft built during WW2, of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers#Aircraft
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by mc32 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @08:44AM (#48933702)
Maybe… but less likely since few people remember plus we don’t have an issue with Mitsubishi and they built planes that gave us pain as well. What I’m saying is if Mitsubishi had been Mitshit instead they’d likely also feel pressure to change their name due to its sound rather than WWII infamy.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by mauvehaus on Thursday July 16, 2026 @09:24AM (#48934221)
Approximately no one on the US home front had to fear harm coming to them from a Mitsubishi product. This stands in rather stark contrast to the experience on the British home front:

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/second-world-war/blitz/blitz-...

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by thisislife2 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @04:44PM (#48939969)
That has become common now in all industry - for example, in India, Bosch refrigerators uses compressors manufactured by Godrej (an indian company). So their indian fridges aren't exactly "German engineering", unlike their washing machine and dishwashers that are made in-house. LieBherr, another famous Swiss German brand, on the other hand has their own factory to make the refrigerators in-house in India, but their service in many cities is outsourced to one run by Bosch + Siemens (plus one more group I can't remember).
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by boredpudding on Thursday July 16, 2026 @03:51AM (#48931500)
Bosch is one of those companies that makes a lot of different things. I own powertools, kitchen appliances and car parts from them.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by B1FF_PSUVM on Thursday July 16, 2026 @05:18AM (#48932140)
And car engine control software.

Bosch developed the "experimental" ECU software that VW used in the Dieselgate vehicles.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by isatty on Thursday July 16, 2026 @10:49AM (#48935382)
Most BMWs should be using Bosch ECUs (Di-Motronic).
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by alper on Thursday July 16, 2026 @05:46AM (#48932356)
A classic German example of a zaibatsu.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by luipugs on Thursday July 16, 2026 @06:41AM (#48932717)
My very first mobile was a Bosch. I had no idea they even made phones. I wanted a Nokia though, but I was able to get that later.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by eru on Thursday July 16, 2026 @03:49AM (#48931491)
Oh, Bosch makes all kinds of things.

Bosch's logo is something like a sparkplug (the thing used in internal combustion engines). To this day, the 'mobility' division is the biggest one. See https://www.bosch.com/stories/creation-of-the-bosch-logo/

Decades ago I actually had an offer to work for them as a research student working on optimising internal combustion engines.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by ce4 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @04:36AM (#48931827)
It resembles part of an electric motor, namely the windings (double t armature)
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by MezzoDelCammin on Thursday July 16, 2026 @04:56AM (#48931980)
not a spark plug. They call it "armature in a circle", but that's somewhat generic.

Bosch used to do the first magnetos / dynamos in the early 1900s motorbikes / cars. The principle is similar to this day - one rotating magnetic field within one static. You can do all kinds of shenanigans and combinations of permanent magnets / coils where it's either the electric current generating a magnetic field or the magnetic field generating an electric current. Depending whether You want the movement to generate electricity or the electricity to generate movement.

In the first magnetos (the thing that uses the engine rotation in order to generate a current that then makes a spark in the spark plug) they used permanently magnetized exterior plating and a rotating winding. That's sort of what You see in the logo - two coil windings rotating in their housing.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by szszrk on Thursday July 16, 2026 @06:06AM (#48932485)
I find below article to be a cool explanation of that device, while actually showing shape Bosch uses in that logo.

https://www.da7c.co.uk/technical_torque_articles/magneto_ign...

But yeah, it's magneto ignition device, pre-sparkplug.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by maxbrt on Thursday July 16, 2026 @03:53AM (#48931519)
Ah right, thanks for the hint. I try to be more precise in more wording, but English isn't my first language so comments like these are really useful.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by avadodin on Thursday July 16, 2026 @05:43AM (#48932330)
I assumed it was a reference to early Apple user interfaces.

I believe their corners are already/still rounded, though.

If we have to be precise, however, perhaps blades would be a more appropriate term to refer to their products' edges.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by maxbrt on Thursday July 16, 2026 @10:10AM (#48934856)
That would have been a good reference, shame I didn't think of it. Blades definitely is the better term.

This reminds me, the backplate of the Mac is also sharp as heck. I actually cut myself once when I was replacing a motherboard on an older Intel Mac. You don't really expect it to be this sharp when you lift it up.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by RealityVoid on Thursday July 16, 2026 @07:27AM (#48933066)
They make many many many more things than just powertools. They have ebike motors, home appliances, industrial machinery, chips (they have a very good division for MEMS as far as I can tell, they make high quality IMU's, they are super popular for airbag usage), protocols (the CAN bus is BOSCH IP and you pay 1 cent royalty I think for each MCU's with CAN on them), automotive components.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by ct0 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @07:54AM (#48933267)
I'm waiting for a Bosch dishwasher to be delivered today. Supposedly it's one of the best.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by unangst on Thursday July 16, 2026 @09:13AM (#48934057)
Our kitchen remodel included a Bosch dishwasher - it’s silent and always clean. Glad we made the splurge! Enjoy!
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by tristor on Thursday July 16, 2026 @10:18AM (#48934952)
I hope you have a good experience with it. I had a Bosch dishwasher in my old house for some time until a failure, and it was so absurdly quiet that the little light it projects on the floor when running was truly valuable. It cleaned well and was all around pretty great until it gave up the ghost. Unfortunately when I went shopping last year for new appliances I found out that Bosch now requires you to use their app and connect your dishwasher to WiFi to do very basic things like use Eco Mode. One assertion I will stand by to my grave is that a dishwasher has no fucking business being connected to the Internet.

I opted instead for GE Cafe / Profile appliance everywhere, which are fully usable without the app. None of my appliances have ever or will ever be connected to any network. The GE Cafe dishwasher also has a built in grinder/disposal unit which helps it deal with heavily soiled dishes much better as well as a bonus, and a fully stainless tub.

Best of luck with your new dishwasher, the Bosch units are legitimately very quiet and powerful for cleaning (I believe they're still the quietest by at least 2db on the market, and every 3db is a doubling of sound power and intensity since its a logarithmic scale).

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by mrob on Thursday July 16, 2026 @10:50AM (#48935401)
>every 3db is a doubling of sound power and intensity since its a logarithmic scale

This is true, but the ear measures sound pressure, not sound intensity. Sound pressure requires a 6dB increase to double. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power,_root-power,_and_field_q...

And human perception of loudness is also non-linear. The increase necessary for a perceived doubling in loudness is frequency dependent, but at most frequencies it's higher than 6dB. At 1 KHz you need roughly 10dB increase for a perceived doubling. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sone

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by illegalsmile on Thursday July 16, 2026 @10:41AM (#48935280)
I thought the same too and I think it's horrible. It can neither be too loaded or too empty, the door doesn't stay cracked open after it dries so I have to prop it slightly open and the placement on tines on the drawers are poor and often too small. It'll probably last forever so I'll have no reason to replace it. In my last home my cheap Kitchenaid was great, I suppose I could swap them. I suppose the floor light is nice.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by dan_hawkins on Thursday July 16, 2026 @10:50AM (#48935393)
> the door doesn't stay cracked open

Whoever installed your device didn't properly adjust tension springs that keep the door open. You can do it by yourself with user's manual (that can be downloaded.)

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by kingnothing on Thursday July 16, 2026 @01:29PM (#48937544)
On the flip side, I've been using them for years with no issues. I jam pack them full of filthy dishes and they come out perfectly clean every time. I use high quality detergent, rinse aid, keep the filter clean, and regularly run dishwasher cleaner through it. I wouldn't have any other brand.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by pseudohadamard on Thursday July 16, 2026 @09:17PM (#48942340)
The local consumer-affairs magazine that every country has (e.g. Which? in the UK) publishes yearly rankings of large appliances, washing machines, fridges, that sort of thing. The category washing machines and dishwashers are predictable, every single year all of the top-rated appliances are always Miele and Bosch (I think a Samsung may have crept in one year). They really need to introduce a new ranking just for these product lines, "top-ranked devices other than Miele or Bosch".
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by ssl-3 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @10:52AM (#48935420)
With something like 400,000 employees and 400 locations, Bosch has fingers in all kinds of markets.

They invented the O2 sensor that lead to electronic fuel injected engines being awesome, and they still produce huge numbers of OE automotive engine management systems.

They've got their self-branded tools, but when you buy a Dremel widget or a Diablo saw blade, you're also buying Bosch.

I used to get home aquarium equipment that was made by Bosch. I've owned a (rather high-end, for the time) aftermarket car stereo that was a product of Bosch. The Bosch dishwasher I had was a skookum choocher despite being relatively inexpensive and near the bottom of their line.

They make industrial automation hardware and sell plant engineering services. They build and run factories that manufacture semiconductors.

I'm only scratching the surface here.

Chances are excellent that you've got stuff related to Bosch all around you, wherever you go.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by sgirard on Thursday July 16, 2026 @11:42AM (#48936097)
I am not familiar with "skookum choocher". Is that a technical term? Based on the context it must be a good thing.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by ssl-3 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @12:08PM (#48936454)
It's jargon.

A choocher is a thing that chooches; it's a machine that accomplishes things. Like a steam locomotive, chooching along and doing real work as it goes.

Skookum is a term borrowed from Chinook that means things like strong, brave, or excellent. When an object is skookum, it is resoundingly well-made, robust, or reliable. Some things are more skookum than others, while some aren't skookum at all.

A skookum choocher is a well-made machine that does a great job of doing stuff.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by singleshot_ on Thursday July 16, 2026 @04:57PM (#48940140)
Kind of seems rude not to just direct GP to AvE, no?
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by ssl-3 on Thursday July 16, 2026 @08:47PM (#48942143)
You mean the guy that fostered some of the best online communities that were full of people who do awesome things with a world of mechanical things at an advance level, and getting along great?

The one who then took that amazing spectacle and turned the participants all against eachother?

No. I don't think that their disinclusion in my comment is particularly rude.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by singleshot_ on Thursday July 16, 2026 @11:31PM (#48943073)
An internet drama for everyone, I guess.
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by pseudohadamard on Thursday July 16, 2026 @09:27PM (#48942389)
Diablo are Bosch? I thought Diablo was Freud.

(Googles)

Well who knew? Bosch own Freud. Does that mean Bosch saw blades are also Diablo/Freud, just in Bosch blue? There's so many different variants, and they change over time, that a straight D vs. B visual comparison isn't really possible.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by ssl-3 on Friday July 17, 2026 @07:08AM (#48945859)
It doesn't mean anything other than that they're all products of Bosch.

That doesn't mean that they're all the same; but it doesn't mean that any of them are different, either.

If I had to guess, then I'd guess that there are differences. There's a lot of variables that go into the design of a saw blade.

Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by tamimio on Thursday July 16, 2026 @11:15AM (#48935730)
It’s not nitpicking, I kept looking at the corners trying to see what was changed, back and forth for few seconds before I realized it was the edges!
Re:I also filed the corners off my MacBook by tomkarho on Friday July 17, 2026 @03:36PM (#48951403)
> Maybe the next generation of MacBooks will also actually have exactly 90° non-rounded corners?

Depends who owns the patent for that.