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Re:A whale necropolis has been found by jtfrench on Saturday June 13, 2026 @10:10PM (#48523511)
I feel like maybe we've needed an "OceanX" before a "SpaceX".
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by car on Saturday June 13, 2026 @11:33PM (#48523928)
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by jtfrench on Monday June 15, 2026 @04:52AM (#48538463)
For as long as I've known of Gabe from working in the game industry, I somehow always forget about his not-so-little hobby of being a sea-faring cyber pirate.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by nine_k on Saturday June 13, 2026 @11:13PM (#48523838)
SpaceX serves a large market that was underserved, via Starlink, and via satellite launches.

There's nothing comparably easy (for some values of "easy") to monetize underwater, except in shallow places like the continental shelves, and these areas are already being heavily developed (oil, wind).

There are many, many wonders deep underwater, but they are mostly not commercially interesting, alas.

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by dopidopHN2 on Sunday June 14, 2026 @06:22AM (#48525859)
What about deep sea mining ? What about those poly metallic nodules there ?

We definitively have stuff to fuck up over there. Those ecosystem that do not know noise or light need disruption and market capitalization

https://noduleresearch.com/

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by x______________ on Sunday June 14, 2026 @06:55AM (#48526048)
Only when we have reached the far reaches of this planet, life as it used to be will cease to exist. Some may argue that it's the natural course of the universe but others would argue that a paradise should be left untouched when found, as it may be the only one.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by AlotOfReading on Saturday June 13, 2026 @10:34PM (#48523642)
That's what OceanGate of imploding submarine fame was trying to be.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by dbish on Saturday June 13, 2026 @10:50PM (#48523729)
I’ve always wanted to start a company that builds automated underwater swarms of “probes” that just search and return info and carry out small exploration tasks but over long amounts of time and space.

Do it right and you can send the first underwater explorers to Europa.

Hard to find the right way to monetize in the early stages though. SpaceX had a variety of options.

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by defrost on Saturday June 13, 2026 @10:55PM (#48523748)
> Hard to find the right way to monetize in the early stages though.

Fugro got a tonne of money for sidescan surveys of large areas north of this Diamantina fracture zone up to the equator .. looking for traces of the lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

  The search for the missing aircraft became the most expensive search in the history of aviation. It focused initially on the South China Sea and Andaman Sea, before a novel analysis of the aircraft's automated communications with an Inmarsat satellite indicated that the plane had travelled far southward over the southern Indian Ocean.

  After a three-year search across 120,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi) of ocean failed to locate the aircraft, the Joint Agency Coordination Centre heading the operation suspended its activities in January 2017. A second search launched in January 2018 by private contractor Ocean Infinity also ended without success after six months.
~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by nine_k on Saturday June 13, 2026 @11:15PM (#48523847)
(The sacrifice to Cthulhu has been accepted, so nothing remains.)
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by 8note on Sunday June 14, 2026 @12:41AM (#48524244)
somehow Ive always thought fugro was a person and not a company
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by defrost on Sunday June 14, 2026 @12:54AM (#48524295)
They're relatively big players in geodesy with fleets of ships, aircraft, land vehicles gathering all manner of multi channel and spectral data at, above, and below surface level (for all the surfaces, geodetic, gravitational, magnetic, Mean Sea, etc).

They tie in with the majors that build and deploy infrastructure for oil, gas, mineral exploration and exploitation.

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by theendisney on Saturday June 13, 2026 @11:28PM (#48523911)
Sounds good.

Make several modular probes and give them fancy names.

Have various support classes like signal relay, charge stations, camera cleaning, resque etc

Sell rent lease the vehicles to customers who get to pilot them in vr.

Create a simulator where one can explore some already explored areas with the probes projected in real time. Create a market for map chunks.

I think it will make one hell of a game.

Roberts Space Industries Legatus bundle costs $48,000 USD and you only get pixels.

If you can have your own exploration submarine without having to deal with all the boring logistcs yourself people will gladly pay many times that and hire other players to do ingame jobs like keeping the signal alive.

If you can build the mothership with investors and crowdsourcing then maintain it with subscription fees and insurance policies it would be hilarious even before anyone finds anything interesting.

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by irishcoffee on Saturday June 13, 2026 @11:51PM (#48524022)
I actually work in this space. The difficulties of long-running underwater probes should not be discounted. Comms bandwidth without a tether is… quite slow. Dealing with even the tiniest drops of water inside the system is… a real problem. Salt water is also quite a problem. Deploy and retrieve is a real problem.

I won’t say I think outer space is easier, but the problem space is very different.

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by toast0 on Sunday June 14, 2026 @12:03AM (#48524070)
> I won’t say I think outer space is easier, but the problem space is very different.

You didn't even mention pressure. Space is only 1 atm off of sea level. 100 meters below the surface is 10 atm more than at sea level ... all sorts of cool stuff you might want to explore is way deeper than that.

Less of a problem for robots than people, but still a problem.

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by irishcoffee on Sunday June 14, 2026 @08:15AM (#48526470)
There are a lot of tricks to deal with pressure, related to filling electronic “bottles” with 1 atm of pressure via nonconductive fluid. You are correct though, pressure is also a phenomenon that has to be accounted for or you’re gonna have a bad time.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by jcgrillo on Sunday June 14, 2026 @12:38AM (#48524229)
> Salt water is also quite a problem

As a boat owner, I have had quite a time with salt water issues. Anything with an electrical current going through it exposed to salt and water is subject to serious, rapid corrosion. What you might imagine is "stainless" steel will, in fact, rust (unless correctly passivated and treated). The galvanic scale is not to be trifled with :). I can only imagine it gets exponentially worse the further below the surface you go.

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by dbish on Sunday June 14, 2026 @07:17PM (#48534071)
The comms problems are exactly what makes it interesting to me, since autonomy is fully required really.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by Avicebron on Saturday June 13, 2026 @10:56PM (#48523758)
Well if you ever find a monetization path this is what I wanted to do for years. I don't know where Schmidt landed in the court of public opinion but I appreciate that the Schmidt Ocean Institute is a thing. I just wish these things didn't reek of billionaire vanity.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by defrost on Saturday June 13, 2026 @11:04PM (#48523797)
The zone this whale necropolis has been found within is named after the Australian Navy hydrographic, meteorological and oceanographic research vessel that first coarsely mapped this deepest part of the Indian ocean in 1960, during my father's time of service onboard.

Mind you, if you go the service path you might end up scrubbing toilets or close sampling atomic bomb sites ... so your mileage (and lifespan) may vary.

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by Avicebron on Sunday June 14, 2026 @08:51AM (#48526756)
Alas my skill set is probably better utilized designing and building the underwater research drones.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by rcxdude on Sunday June 14, 2026 @06:56AM (#48526050)
AUVs are a thing, but it's a very expensive area to be in, and there's a lot of challenges, especially the extremely high degree of autonomy you need in a much less predictable environment. Maybe recent advances in AI could move the needle there.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by dbish on Sunday June 14, 2026 @07:16PM (#48534060)
Yep. The AI advances and pushing for much more autonomy are why I think there’s something new possible here.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by fsckboy on Saturday June 13, 2026 @11:58PM (#48524047)
>I feel like maybe we've needed an "OceanX" before a "SpaceX"

SpaceX is based on the idea that our planet will someday be uninhabitable, so we need to be ready to colonize other planets. The sooner we start, the sooner we get there.

OceanX might be fun science, but it's not going to save us.

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by Espressosaurus on Sunday June 14, 2026 @12:01AM (#48524060)
Colonizing another planet will never be easier than our own biosphere. That claim for SpaceX is pure nonsense.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by totetsu on Sunday June 14, 2026 @12:16AM (#48524125)
The human condition is delicate and mortal, when you realise this you realise how important it is to do everything you can for Elon Musk while he's still alive
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by Retz4o4 on Sunday June 14, 2026 @12:32AM (#48524198)
Did you buy SpaceX stock? Will you buy more and keep buying?
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by altmanaltman on Sunday June 14, 2026 @12:42AM (#48524248)
The implication that SpaceX will "save us" is quite funny. If that was something the world truly worried about, our hopes cannot be on an american private company that might or might not save someone depending on their preferences or their political views.

The whole idea that we can simply pop off earth and colonize another planet is literally insane. There is a reason why no governement across the world is treating colonizing mars as a serious mission.

It is the same marketing technique as "AI WILL DESTROY THE WORLD so we must make it" fear-mongering based marketing. Of course a rocket company wants people to colonize mars, doesn't mean its going to "save" humanity.

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by fsckboy on Sunday June 14, 2026 @01:38AM (#48524494)
>The implication that SpaceX will "save us" is quite funny.

nobody implied that. some people state the hope for it but that does not include me, I simply explained why OceanX does not satisfy SpaceX's goals.

everybody on this site is interested in the topic of exploring other planets in any solar system. that's all SpaceX is trying to do, but because of extraneous irrational unmet emotional needs people here simply lose their shit when the topic of SpaceX comes up.

Meanwhile, SpaceX will continue to be NASA's primary subcontractor. "Les chiens aboient, la caravane passe." (The dogs bark. The caravan passes.)

Re:A whale necropolis has been found by taffydavid on Sunday June 14, 2026 @03:52AM (#48525121)
No, spaceX is based on the idea that Elon Musk likes rockets but loves money. The IPO proves that - the company pivoted to renting server capacity through xAI and pushing a ridiculous plan to put server farms in space via their constantly exploding starship as a means to inflate stock and make him a trillionaire.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by classified on Sunday June 14, 2026 @01:05AM (#48524355)
Given humans' propensity for ruthless exploitation with disastrous side effects on the environment, I'd rather not.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by srean on Sunday June 14, 2026 @05:03AM (#48525479)
Avatar. In realising stic scenarios they wouldn't win.
Re:A whale necropolis has been found by srean on Sunday June 14, 2026 @05:00AM (#48525468)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_World:_A_Story_of_U...

Capitalism and stock markets would drive them to become Avatar'esque villains.