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Re:Claude Design by mbesto on Friday April 17, 2026 @04:25PM (#47810185)
> There's no shame in being homogenous and obvious, though.

The real world analog is this...

The reason people (especially Americans) stay in Marriott property hotels is because they are homogenous. If all I want to do is travel to Phoenix, AZ for work I want to know that the hotel room has the same mattress, desk, TV, customer service, etc. There is real legitimate value to that. So I'll book the Courtyard in Phoenix because I know exactly what I'm going to get.

On the other hand, when I'm traveling the Amalfi Coast in Italy, I want the Airbnb experience. Sure the bed is stiff, there's no A/C, and the 80 year old door frame is hard to close, but there is something magical about it.

Re:Claude Design by sdoering on Friday April 17, 2026 @04:36PM (#47810300)
It is actually a rational choice. It is a defense against extremely bad experiences.

A personal example from a few weeks back. My SO booked a hotel for a weekend as a birthday present. We went there, it had a fantastic spa, dinner was delicious, the room great, clean, and so on. Individually designed, well thought out, friendly staff.

Breakfast came around and the coffee was abysmal. Really truly abysmal. What did we do? While eating breakfast we looked for a McDonalds, as we know for sure, that regardless where you are - you will at least find an okay and drinkable coffee at McDonalds. It is not a great coffee. And will never be. But the likelyhood is very low that you will find a shit coffee.

Marriott is basically the same for hotels. Or MotelOne in Germany. It is the power of brand - you get a solid 7 out of ten. And to be honest - when I am traveling for work, this is all I want. I want to know, that I will have a clean room, a bed that is good to sleep in. And the knowledge, that I will likely wake up rested the next day when I have to be at my best for my clients.

The risk of ending in a shit-hole got smaller because nowadays people write their experiences - but on the other hand, having seen how many of my reviews were being deleted by Google, Yelp, TripAdvisor and the likes because some lawyer requested it - I don't give a rat's shit for online reviews.

Re:Claude Design by ValentineC on Friday April 17, 2026 @08:59PM (#47812268)
> Marriott is basically the same for hotels.

Marriotts are sadly not the same between countries, and that's probably a good thing.

The standard for large chain hotels in the US are much, much lower than everywhere else in the world. Full-service Hiltons in the US don't even have executive lounges anymore.

Re:Claude Design by sofixa on Saturday April 18, 2026 @01:46AM (#47813452)
> Full-service Hiltons in the US don't even have executive lounges anymore.

Some (at least one) don't even have breakfast facilities...

Re:Claude Design by cultofmetatron on Saturday April 18, 2026 @05:25AM (#47814477)
> The standard for large chain hotels in the US are much, much lower than everywhere else in the world.

this is true for fast food as well. mcdonalds in poland and spain were MUCH better than the slop in america. I had taco bell here in srilanka recently. it was DELICIOUS and tasted like real food. same goes for popeyes and pizza hut here. pizza hut in america on the other hand tastes regrettable and left me feeling like shit.

Re:Claude Design by miki123211 on Saturday April 18, 2026 @07:33AM (#47815063)
mcDonalds in Poland used to be the luxury brand. This is the part Americans don't get.

It used to be the new, western chain that you only saw in American movies, and then you could experience it for yourself. When I was a kid (middle / solid working class family), we'd semi-regularly do mcDonalds trips as a treat. The experience of going to mcDonalds because you were too poor to do anything else was unthinkable to us.

Other brands that are staples of the American experience were also like this. CocaCola definitely comes to mind here; most of our tapwater is drinkable, and bottled water is much cheaper than coke, so that was the default option for most people, along with coffee and tea of course.

Somebody did the calculations on Polish Twitter recently, and apparently taking a 4-person family to Pizza Hut in the early 2000s used to cost more than our average daily wage.

Re:Claude Design by parpfish on Saturday April 18, 2026 @08:09AM (#47815276)
I have Taco Bell here in the USofA and it is also delicious. Delicious slop that has sadly become overpriced, but I love it.
Re:Claude Design by ncphillips on Saturday April 18, 2026 @05:36AM (#47814521)
KFC in Japan is not fair.
Re:Claude Design by Tepix on Saturday April 18, 2026 @01:01AM (#47813265)
You didn‘t talk to the hotel and asked why their coffee was so bad?
Re:Claude Design by Tanjreeve on Saturday April 18, 2026 @02:43AM (#47813675)
This will do as much to solve your problem as talking to Google on why a search result was bad. Even if they agreed they won't change their coffee machine while you're there and they won't rehire more skilled staff etc etc.
Re:Claude Design by embedding-shape on Saturday April 18, 2026 @08:19AM (#47815340)
I'm guessing if they see McDonalds coffee as "okay and drinkable", this might be a different problem than the way the hotel makes the coffee. Or maybe the McDonalds we have here in Spain is just much more terrible than in the US, but I'll take random bar/pub coffee or even machine coffee over what they serve at McDonalds.
Re:Claude Design by sdoering on Monday April 20, 2026 @03:27AM (#47831316)
McCafé in Germany is drinkable. The coffee in the restaurant after dinner was superb. They just had a typical crappy coffee machine with shitty coffee in the morning restaurant.

And yes: I talked to them.

Re:Claude Design by triage8004 on Sunday April 19, 2026 @01:10AM (#47821968)
McDonald's and 7/11 Cafe always good when you need fast and drinkable coffee that.eats Starbucks every time
Re:Claude Design by teiferer on Friday April 17, 2026 @06:20PM (#47811213)
McDonalds. Homogenous everywhere in the world. US, Italy, Japan, Brazil, same stuff.

Good pizza in Italy, goos ramen in Japan, grilled Picanha in Brazil, that's why you go there and want it different/original.

But in software UI this is often overdone. I want the pizzazz in my audio software in what it produces, not in how the UI looks like.

Re:Claude Design by stevage on Friday April 17, 2026 @07:27PM (#47811704)
McDonald's is extremely different around the world. Different menu, different price.
Re:Claude Design by olalonde on Friday April 17, 2026 @07:47PM (#47811832)
"extremely"
Re:Claude Design by ekianjo on Friday April 17, 2026 @08:20PM (#47812007)
"extremely different" is an exaggeration. It's mostly the same with some local differences.
Re:Claude Design by solatic on Saturday April 18, 2026 @01:41AM (#47813429)
Considering that people expect literally the same thing, I can understand how even small regional differences can seem extreme. Like not finding any beef on the menu in India, or any bacon in the Middle East.
Re:Claude Design by makingstuffs on Saturday April 18, 2026 @01:45AM (#47813446)
I’d say the only place I’ve experienced McDonald’s to be ‘extremely’ different is in India due to the obvious prevalence of vegetarianism and outlawing of beef.

In other countries the do have a lot of additional meals which are specific to their local taste (rice/fried chicken/different sauces) but the core burgers like a Big Mac, mcChicken and sides such as fries are there.

Re:Claude Design by spockz on Saturday April 18, 2026 @02:34AM (#47813636)
I second that. There is a mile difference between the sorry excuse of a burger that’s called Big Tasty and McCrispy in the Netherlands versus the already way better proportioned and fresher one you get in Germany, up to the better ones in Italy.

Besides the bun, it is noticeable in every part. The amounts and quality of the sauce, vegetables, and meat. And finally how the burger is presented.

So if this difference can occur within 1000km of each other in the same continent, I fully accept that it is even more varied in the whole world.

Re:Claude Design by teiferer on Saturday April 18, 2026 @03:16AM (#47813843)
Maybe your sample size is too small? I've lived close to the NL/D border for a while and the McD quality was indistinguishable on both sides of the border. The variation between restaurants in the same country and also between different days/times in the same restaurant was much greater than between countries.

Thatis, if you happen to go to a random McD in some country and the big mac was great that day and you go to a different restaurant in a different country on a different day and the big mac was bad, then that difference has likely least to do with them being in different countries. It's not like they actually use different recipes.

Re:Claude Design by spockz on Sunday April 19, 2026 @03:09AM (#47822367)
Okay, granted maybe it is. In NL it is mostly in cities (Amsterdam, Utrecht, Rotterdam, Dordrecht, Lelystad), in Germany with smaller places, and in Italy only in touristic places like Siena and Genoa. So maybe it is just a problem with McDonalds in Dutch cities.
Re:Claude Design by gowld on Friday April 17, 2026 @07:23PM (#47811673)
McDonald's is homogenous within a country, but very different in different countries.
Re:Claude Design by stirfish on Friday April 17, 2026 @08:41PM (#47812146)
Counterpoint: winamp was strictly more fun than any other audio software
Re:Claude Design by clbrmbr on Friday April 17, 2026 @09:29PM (#47812409)
And all those Delphi programs (ok rn I can only think of the crackz but there must have been others).

What made these Delphi programs so unique in their UIs?

Re:Claude Design by spockz on Saturday April 18, 2026 @02:36AM (#47813646)
Delphi shipped with its own, pretty complete, library of UI components.
Re:Claude Design by ruszki on Saturday April 18, 2026 @07:58AM (#47815215)
The American McDonald’s is a magnitude worse than the European (all of them), Australian or New Zealander. The menu is different in every country. However, it’s getting more uniform. Cheeseburger is the same basically everywhere outside of America, but not there. As somebody who got used to the European McDonald’s and tried it in about 30 countries all around the world, American McDonald’s is inedible. So there are differences. I completely understand the American sentiment of it, because it’s really, really terrible there.
Re:Claude Design by runarberg on Friday April 17, 2026 @06:06PM (#47811109)
Personally, if I had to go to Phoenix, AZ for work and stay at a Marriott hotel, I think I would rather convince my boss that this business trip could be a zoom call, and during that zoom call I notice that participants have all sorts of fun virtual backgrounds, filters, emoji in their statuses etc.

Because it turns out, the type who don’t want fun little differences are exactly the types who will gladly go on a business trip to Phoenix Arizona and stay at a Marriott hotel.

Re:Claude Design by tmp10423288442 on Friday April 17, 2026 @06:42PM (#47811351)
> all sorts of fun virtual backgrounds, filters, emoji in their statuses

I don't want more pieces of flair in my life, thanks

You generally won't get to know someone well enough to appreciate their unique aspects unless you see them in person at least sometimes, unless that person has the habit of letting their freak flag fly in all circumstances, which has its own downsides.

Re:Claude Design by runarberg on Friday April 17, 2026 @09:26PM (#47812396)
> I don't want more pieces of flair in my life, thanks

Then don‘t. My boss didn’t require me to put a minimum of 15 pieces of flair in my status, and personally I just put blur on my background... scrap that, I didn’t turn on my camera at all and just used my standard avatar (which I consider fun in fact).

Re:Claude Design by 3sdfs on Friday April 17, 2026 @04:31PM (#47810253)
Trade-offs.
Re:Claude Design by pedalpete on Friday April 17, 2026 @08:51PM (#47812221)
I think this is a fairly limited view of design, that's commonality in branding and somewhat layout.

Real design would be changing how beds, showers, toilets, keys, etc etc work.

Yes there is familiarity in the truly banal, but progress in design happens when we really question how things work.

Re:Claude Design by pbhjpbhj on Saturday April 18, 2026 @04:31AM (#47814239)
>Real design would be changing how beds, showers, toilets, keys, etc etc work.

That's [design] engineering.

Rather than aesthetics/ergonomics. Like writing your own widgets in JS, generally a bad idea.

Re:Claude Design by pxoe on Friday April 17, 2026 @08:58PM (#47812256)
Especially americans? The popularity and demand for homogenous american products and services (and other similarly homogenous things from other countries) overseas shows that it's not just "especially americans". What point would that even make? If anything the amount of people and customers of such things worldwide could easily outnumber just the people who live in one country, even as big. Desiring a level of service is not really a "uniquely american" thing. Perhaps there's also some impression that there's some "international homogeneity" that blurs things and makes it seem like it's coming from one place (even though it's a mix), but seemingly "cultural and local" things in other countries can be no less homogenous. Going from one japanese ryokan to another you're gonna experience the same level of homogeneity.
Re:Claude Design by ecocentrik on Friday April 17, 2026 @09:10PM (#47812321)
Good homogenous experience is the hallmark of good design. There are no surprises with good design. It just works the way you expect it to work. Good design should not generally challenge your expectations.
Re:Claude Design by bluegatty on Friday April 17, 2026 @10:20PM (#47812623)
The 'real world' analogy is much simpler: standards.

Canonical UX patterns are generally beneficial and most 'design' attempts are well-meaning dark patterns.

Xerox figured out windows, scroll bars, buttons, groups in the 1970s and most web interfaces are STILL not up to that standard!

Heck - they're not as good as Visual Basic apps from the 1990s.

Largely due to lack of design discipline.

Re:Claude Design by philwelch on Saturday April 18, 2026 @12:22AM (#47813112)
Used to be more true than it is now. I’ve been in a couple really shitty Marriotts.
Re:Claude Design by lodovic on Saturday April 18, 2026 @01:41AM (#47813431)
Exactly, these hotel chains guarantee a sort of minimum quality level which is sufficient for most people. No surprises.
Re:Claude Design by Gud on Saturday April 18, 2026 @04:29AM (#47814231)
More important than “same”, you don’t want any weird shit going on.

I travel 300 days a year work for and stay in hotel apartments, and I still miss the Hyatt I stayed in Manchester in 2021… last place I stayed that had gotten everything right.

Re:Claude Design by doublesocket on Saturday April 18, 2026 @04:49AM (#47814314)
Am I alone in not wanting banal homogeneity even on a work trip?
Re:Claude Design by password4321 on Saturday April 18, 2026 @07:14AM (#47814954)
Probably after a certain quantity of work trips/year, yes.
Re:Claude Design by cambaceres on Saturday April 18, 2026 @08:05AM (#47815249)
Would you like your hammer to have a new and innovative design, or do you want it to look exactly like any other hammer? The majority of UIs exist for the user to perform a task as effectively as possible, and they benefit from being familiar.
Re:Claude Design by a4isms on Saturday April 18, 2026 @09:11AM (#47815646)
> they benefit from being familiar.

“Intuitive Equals Familiar,” a classic from Jef Raskin, the man who started the Macintosh¹ project at Apple:

https://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html

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¹ Only to have Steve take it away. Jef left and created the Canon Cat, an opinionated computer that eschewed the WIMP interface in favour of anchoring n incremental search. Steve would also leave and create NeXT, and Canon would invest in NeXT as well.

Re:Claude Design by alsetmusic on Saturday April 18, 2026 @11:40AM (#47816763)
> Steve would also leave and create NeXT

More accurate to say that he was forced out. We (Mac nerds) were shocked when he came back. My father told me that I was super excited talking about his return, though I don't remember that. I do remember having a Mac Addict magazine with SJ portrayed as a priest on his return. Internet Archive ftw.[0]

0. https://ia601204.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages....

Re:Claude Design by a4isms on Wednesday April 22, 2026 @09:02AM (#47862966)
Good comment!

When there is a boardroom battle over control, I think almost any take is fair. Sculley kicked him off Macintosh. Steve then tried to oust Sculley, who gave him a "window seat."

Sculley had the Board's support, and Steve resigned rather than quietly sit in the corner playing with "New Product Development" toys. The Board refused to accept his resignation and encouraged him to rescind it, but no they didn't give him meaningful authority, so he carried on to Plan B and negotiated the right to make "Education" computers.

Did he jump? Was he pushed? Yes!

And back to the point I was making... His trajectory had something in common with Raskin's trajectory, right down to raising money from Canon.

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p.s. Fellow OG Mac developer here. I still have the SE/30 I used to write a classified ads app for QuarkXPress and Aldus PageMaker back in the day. I would describe classified ads software in the 90s as, "faster horses about to be eclipsed by automobiles."

Re:Claude Design by littlestymaar on Saturday April 18, 2026 @08:18AM (#47815334)
> when I'm traveling the Amalfi Coast in Italy, I want the Airbnb experience

Unfortunately, Airbnb itself have turned into an IKEA showroom experience …