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Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by granzymes on Sunday April 12, 2026 @07:35PM (#47745639)
Political violence is not acceptable in a democracy.

Full stop, no "but". That's all that needs to be said on this thread.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by samrus on Sunday April 12, 2026 @08:15PM (#47745990)
I get the sentiment but this is disengenuous. Political violence built this democracy
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by ordu on Sunday April 12, 2026 @08:40PM (#47746149)
I believe it doesn't matter. You see, if you try applying this trick to different traits of a society, it would lead to conclusions like: it is impossible for us to build an environmentally conscious society because we come here by being environmentally unconscious. It is a historical determinism, and it just don't work. For example, Europe was mostly a constant war between states, but after WWII it managed to come to EU. No more wars between European countries. Or U.S. was a country of slavers and racists, and it managed to change itself. It is still not perfect, as I hear, but at least there are no more slavery or segregation, and racism is not accepted anymore.

The long gone history of a country is not a something that should be allowed to determine its modern narratives. You shouldn't forget your history, but there are limits you shouldn't cross. When I hear arguments going back for centuries, it is a red flag for me. It is most likely a propaganda.

Psychologists talk about two common failing of their clients. People often fixate over the past or they fixate over the future, while forgetting about the present. The healthy approach is to keep a good balance between the past, the future, and the present, with a strong accent on the present. The history determinism reminds me a lot of the over-fixation on the past, and propaganda actively tries to unsettle balances in people's minds and fixate them on anything but the present.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by kelipso on Sunday April 12, 2026 @10:26PM (#47746861)
It feels like there’s a flaw in your argument somewhere. Your thesis is historical determinism doesn’t work and therefore using it as an argument for political violence is flawed. …But the fact remains that political violence does work and we expect it to work. For a current example, see the bombing of Iran to effect regime change.

Back to the argument that historical determinism is flawed…

I think it’s very reasonable to say that it happened in the past, therefore it probably will happen in the future. That’s the basis for pretty much any kind of prediction.

If you want to argue against historical determinism, you have to make the specific argument for why the current state is different enough that we can’t use the past to predict the future.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by hdgvhicv on Monday April 13, 2026 @02:38AM (#47748444)
> at least there are no more slavery or segregation, and racism is not accepted anymore.

That’s just an example of American propaganda

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by samrus on Monday April 13, 2026 @03:05AM (#47748670)
> it would lead to conclusions like: it is impossible for us to build an environmentally conscious society because we come here by being environmentally unconscious

No. My logic applied here would imply that environtal unconsciousness can produce results becuase we got here by being environmentally unconscious. And that is true, burning coal for energy, while unsustainable, does produce results. Youll get energy, on demand, in a controlled manner.

Now, we should be careful doing it, but if you go to an amazonian tribesperson and yell at them for burning wood for a fire, becaise solar panels exist, then thats doesnt make complete sense

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by saligne on Sunday April 12, 2026 @11:25PM (#47747204)
And sustains this "democracy"
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by Rekindle8090 on Sunday April 12, 2026 @07:58PM (#47745877)
Hilarious because your comment itself is political violence without even stretching the definition:

Violence: Not only as resulting in physical injury but as being present where psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation occurs; acts of omission or neglect, and not only of commission, can therefore be categorised as violent.

The act of forcibly closing down debate, dictating what can and cannot be discussed, and using moral authority to silence dissent, demanding submission rather than dialogue, is inherently violent.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 12, 2026 @08:10PM (#47745963)
> where psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation occurs

You’re describing harm. Violence involves physical force against living things. This idiotic reinterpretation of the word violence is beyond silly.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by orionsbelt on Sunday April 12, 2026 @08:05PM (#47745924)
You are willfully obtuse.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by poszlem on Sunday April 12, 2026 @07:38PM (#47745667)
I agree. Is the US still a democracy, or already an oligarchy?
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by hx8 on Sunday April 12, 2026 @07:43PM (#47745731)
The more we treat it like a democracy, the more democratic it is. The more we treat it like an oligarchy, the less democratic it is.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by poszlem on Sunday April 12, 2026 @07:48PM (#47745776)
Treating a rigged game as fair doesn't make it fair, it just makes you easier to beat.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 12, 2026 @07:50PM (#47745795)
> Treating a rigged game as fair doesn't make it fair, it just makes you easier to beat

Not playing at all makes you easier to beat still. Anyone pining for civil war should vacation in a war zone first. It’s difficult to encapsulate the privilege of peace until it’s been lost.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by fzeroracer on Sunday April 12, 2026 @08:06PM (#47745936)
What do you say to the people in Minneapolis demanding justice for the murder of Alex Pretti?
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 12, 2026 @08:11PM (#47745970)
> What do you say to the people in Minneapolis demanding justice for the murder of Alex Pretti?

Keep pushing your state investigators. Work to flip the House. And keep protesting and disrupting the browncoats.

Alex Pretti did more to stop ICE than anyone e.g. killing an individual ICE agent would do.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by throwanem on Sunday April 12, 2026 @09:14PM (#47746374)
Brownshirts. I believe "browncoats" refers to a now-extinct space opera fandom from a few decades ago.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by hackable_sand on Sunday April 12, 2026 @11:33PM (#47747264)
Firefly?
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by throwanem on Tuesday April 14, 2026 @12:26PM (#47767734)
That's the one! Space oat opera, I suppose I should have said.

Good grief, I wonder if it's held up. Oh, early Whedon, it's sure to have that "creepier than Tarantino" vibe at times, but maybe it'd be an interesting rewatch. Seeing a young Nathan Fillion is its own reward, certainly.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by SamLL on Sunday April 12, 2026 @10:45PM (#47746977)
I am a resident of the Twin Cities and I agree wholeheartedly with this perspective. I found reading the book Waging A Good War very educational about the deliberate, strategic use of nonviolence by the American Civil Rights Movement and its ultimate triumph as a means to win support and achieve social change. It was a clear and inspiring parallel for me during the worst times of this year so far.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by JumpCrisscross on Monday April 13, 2026 @01:17AM (#47747870)
I appreciate and support you. If I can help, let me know how to contact you.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by poszlem on Sunday April 12, 2026 @07:54PM (#47745837)
Civil war or getting screwed by elites aren't the only two options. That's a false dichotomy.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 12, 2026 @07:58PM (#47745869)
> Civil war or getting screwed by elites aren't the only two options. That's a false dichotomy

I completely agree. But political violence increasingly polarises the outcomes to those two. (The elites can buy gunmen faster than you or I can.)

California has a referendum system. Get an AI measure on the ballot. Companies that are doing the things Anthropic got fired for refusing to provide are banned from doing business in the State of California. (Or with the State. Find a balance that gets the votes.)

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by drekipus on Sunday April 12, 2026 @07:39PM (#47745683)
This is the point.

You can't call yourself a democracy just because we can change the colour of the same bus every 3 to 4 years

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by amazingamazing on Sunday April 12, 2026 @08:37PM (#47746131)
sure it is. what a ridiculous comment. go read how this country was formed, or how the civil war was resolved, or...

you can disagree that this was necessary, which I'd agree with.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by CHB0403085482 on Sunday April 12, 2026 @08:48PM (#47746199)
Tell that to the parisians.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp84sRpM1Js
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by ericjmorey on Sunday April 12, 2026 @09:36PM (#47746538)
Our current President disagrees and has pardoned political violence. Take it up with him.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by infamouscow on Sunday April 12, 2026 @09:57PM (#47746656)
An election is two (or more) armies going to the ballot box to see who has more numbers. Nothing more.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by mbgerring on Sunday April 12, 2026 @11:26PM (#47747207)
Political violence is wielded against dissidents in the United States constantly. Another way to think of this is that a government that resorts to political violence against its own citizens is not a democracy.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by mplanchard on Monday April 13, 2026 @11:11AM (#47753175)
Yes, exactly. One of the definitions of a State is that it's the organization holding the monopoly on legitimate use of violence.

When a State becomes undemocratic, it can more easily wield that violence against its own people. Part of the founding ideals of the US is the hope that the people would oust such a State, explicitly through the threat and application of violence if necessary, thus the second amendment.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by ramon156 on Monday April 13, 2026 @02:22AM (#47748303)
America was built with violence, what makes you think that violence will not be this year's theme? People are tired
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by impossiblefork on Monday April 13, 2026 @02:26AM (#47748322)
Political violence is actually really important.

Here in Sweden, back in the 1400eds etc. the farmers often made war on the government whenever it did anything they didn't like. This had the long term consequence, that by the end of this era, self-owning farmers owned 50% of the land in Sweden, whereas in Denmark, which did not have this kind of violence, it was only 10%.

It's incredibly important to be feared and to engage in violence, so that you are in practice and can threaten your political opponents, and this remains true in a democracy.

It's important that powerful people know they can't trust that they will truly be protected by the laws if they do something which harms others-- that the veneer of civilization is thin and the masses dangerous. Otherwise you end up with very dangerous situations where people can get away with anything that's legal.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by khriss on Monday April 13, 2026 @08:12AM (#47750877)
You'd think so, but increasingly a larger and larger section of the population does not think so. https://www.npr.org/2025/10/01/nx-s1-5558304/poll-political-...

Something is fundamentally broken when the sitting president of the United States pardoned thousands convicted in a court of law of attempting to use violence to achieve political ends.

No wonder people are increasingly recognizing that democracy is now broken.

Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by brimwats on Monday April 13, 2026 @08:13AM (#47750885)
Political violence created and has sustained democracy, democracy is what happens when the violence fails and violence is what happens when the democracy fails.
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by estimator7292 on Monday April 13, 2026 @08:47AM (#47751211)
Without political violence, the USA would not exist in any form
Re:Sam Altman's home targeted in second attack by thrance on Monday April 13, 2026 @03:16PM (#47756657)
But social violence is?