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Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by miohtama on Saturday January 31, 2026 @09:59AM (#46837229)
Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by Zigurd on Saturday January 31, 2026 @10:57AM (#46837742)
True but obv. Only lunatics would use a Russian cloud service. The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different. Also, why Europe should start treating us like Russians.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by kaffekaka on Saturday January 31, 2026 @11:36AM (#46838121)
You have a pro-russian leader.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by philipallstar on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:17PM (#46838552)
The massive sanctions he's placing on Russian oil make that impossible to believe.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by wokkel on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:46PM (#46838822)
Those can also be explained by favouring usa/venezuela oil while still supporting Russian politics. For example: in the Ukraine war he is constantly seeking ways and arguments to support putins position even though he is one of the few leaders worldwide who do this.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by philipallstar on Saturday January 31, 2026 @03:32PM (#46840525)
They're not favouring - they're even enforcing secondary sanctions on Russian oil on China and India, which is difficult and expensive.

The fact that you can divine pro-Putin things from his speech means nothing compared to him performing massively powerful economic action against Putin.

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by varispeed on Saturday January 31, 2026 @03:33PM (#46840535)
These sanctions make no difference, except make people say things like you say.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by throwaway902984 on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:45PM (#46838814)
I think it is fair to separate putin and russia. I mean, I don't think he uses our society as proxy for his own ego. I think he really likes Putin.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by spiderfarmer on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:41PM (#46838778)
You must be one of the few who still believes what Trump says to the media after nearly 100k proven lies.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by philipallstar on Saturday January 31, 2026 @03:33PM (#46840536)
Is that because there are no primary or secondary sanctions? Or are you just ignoring what I'm saying?
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by watwut on Saturday January 31, 2026 @05:14PM (#46841436)
You are ignoring Trump literally adopting Russian proposals and demands in that war as they are. Trump and america flipped sides, seeing Russia as admirable peer and Ukraine as someone who should shut up and put up.

Trump want deals with russia to enrich himself. For that he needs Ukraine to loose. Bad thing is Putin does not have enough, he wants the rest of Europe too.

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by conception on Saturday January 31, 2026 @07:21PM (#46842341)
The Trump administrations political positions are effectively a one to one match with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics which Putin aligns strongly with. Knowingly or not, Trump has been a tremendous asset to Russian geopolitics in every sphere.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by isodev on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:02PM (#46838378)
> why Europe should start treating us like Russians

Because your CEOs have become power players in your politics and that’s generally a Russian/Oligarch thing.

Like Apple trying to wiggle their way out of the DMA and when their bs arguments fail in court they send peach daddy with tariffs and what not.

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by allarm on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:22PM (#46838607)
> why Europe should start treating us like Russians.

I don't know, maybe because your president is a dangerous lunatic? I really enjoy these "are we the baddies?" moments.

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by spiderfarmer on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:44PM (#46838797)
I’m not sure he’s getting it yet. Maybe he’s just not personally affected yet.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by tempsaasexample on Monday February 02, 2026 @11:48AM (#46858122)
I usually operate under the opposite world view. If you've been personally affected by something, I no longer really trust you to be fair and honest and logical. I don't want to hear about setting speed limits from someone that lost their child in a car accident.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by throwaway902984 on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:47PM (#46838829)
Was that not an imperative statement agreeing with your cathartic comment? A little weird there isn't an explicit "this is why", but asking questions with a poorly conjugated why along with bad punctuation isn't usually a native speakers habit.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by bee_rider on Saturday January 31, 2026 @03:28PM (#46840484)
They said in a follow-up comment that they intentionally wrote something ambiguous, so… I don’t know, I wouldn’t waste too many cycles on comments that are deliberately unclear.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by throwaway902984 on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:50PM (#46838864)
Are you asking a rhetorical question or making a statement?
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by Zigurd on Saturday January 31, 2026 @01:41PM (#46839372)
Ambiguity is a thing.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by throwaway902984 on Saturday January 31, 2026 @03:00PM (#46840205)
I was asking for the other commenters, to clear that up.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by ericmay on Saturday January 31, 2026 @04:11PM (#46840907)
> The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different

Much worse for the EU, both strategically and economically. You’ll be able to buy Chinese services and give them your data and money, but you won’t be able to operate in their market. Germany is feeling the pain there. [1] Strategically they’re a Russian ally and are actively supporting Russia’s war against Ukraine and further aims against the EU.

Something like Russia -> China -> US as worst to least worst partners.

The EU should invest in technical and military capabilities and divest from reliance on other countries and echos the US American position very closely.

[1] For example https://www.autoblog.com/features/germanys-auto-industry-is-...

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by tosapple on Saturday January 31, 2026 @11:16AM (#46837923)
While they ditch Microsoft, Amazon and Oracle: we still use Linux, Sel4, ASML and ARM.

There's lots of interesting stuff to watch out for.

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by hbogert on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:06PM (#46838419)
what's wrong with using european stuff? (ARM, ASML)

:P

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by dijit on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:59PM (#46838930)
Isn’t ARM owned by Softbank? (Japanese)
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by hbogert on Sunday February 01, 2026 @03:03AM (#46844414)
totally missed this, yep major stake is by Softbank. We europeans like to talk about sovereignty but we sell our stuff pretty easily :D
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by akudha on Saturday January 31, 2026 @11:51AM (#46838263)
What is wrong with using Linux?
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by direwolf20 on Saturday January 31, 2026 @01:55PM (#46839564)
Linus Torvalds is very pro–corporate, pro–tivoization, he thinks GPL3 was a terrible mistake.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by palata on Saturday January 31, 2026 @04:36PM (#46841108)
Is he pro-tivoization, or is he not against it?

I heard him talk about GPLv3 someday, and what he said was that it was a mistake to call it "GPLv3", as if it was the evolution of GPLv2, because for him it should have been a totally different licence.

Which I find fair: there are different kinds of copyleft (like MPL vs GPL), it makes sense to say that GPLv2 is a different concept than GPLv3. Whereas I don't know if anyone should use GPLv1 because GPLv2 sounds like it fixed GPLv1 without changing its spirit.

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by direwolf20 on Monday February 02, 2026 @04:17AM (#46853979)
GPLv2 was clearly intended to let you change the software on your devices. In some countries, GPLv2 already prohibits tivoization.

However, big tech found an exploit: In some countries, GPLv2 allows tivoization. This was not intended by the authors of the GPLv2. There was another exploit involving patent licenses, and a reverse exploit about license termination that allowed some developers to extort some users. They fixed these and made it the GPLv3. It's a bugfix release, not anything new. You only don't like it if you relied on the bugs.

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by palata on Monday February 02, 2026 @08:56AM (#46856079)
Well, that's not really mutually exclusive with what I said. Those who called it GPLv3 consider it's a bugfix, those who decided to stay on GPLv2 consider it's a new licence.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by imtringued on Sunday February 01, 2026 @05:38AM (#46845141)
He is against the "GPLv3 or later clause" because the FSF could change the license terms if it gets hijacked.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by direwolf20 on Sunday February 01, 2026 @02:49PM (#46848778)
He is against the GPLv3 itself. He's ideologically opposed to converting the kernel to GPLv3, even if it was possible.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by mikeyouse on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:35PM (#46838723)
Isn’t Sel4 Australian?
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by christophilus on Saturday January 31, 2026 @01:03PM (#46838973)
All of the things OP mentioned are non-US tech. I think the OP was speaking from a US perspective, though it’s not clear.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by krzyk on Saturday January 31, 2026 @02:05PM (#46839672)
What's wrong in using Linux. It is an open source project with origins in Finland and still lead by a Fin.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by woodson on Saturday January 31, 2026 @02:34PM (#46839964)
…who lives in Oregon, in the US.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by amanaplanacanal on Saturday January 31, 2026 @03:05PM (#46840255)
Hey, we'd break away if we could.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by tempsaasexample on Saturday January 31, 2026 @04:11PM (#46840898)
I spend a month in Oregon every year mushroom hunting and elk hunting.

Once you're away from a few key cities, Oregonians are more conservative and hardcore than even central Californians.

I think you underestimate your state if you think they're anti American.

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by amanaplanacanal on Sunday February 01, 2026 @12:45PM (#46847853)
They are a pretty small part of the population though.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by UltraSane on Saturday January 31, 2026 @12:33PM (#46838701)
AWS in China doesn't have KMS
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by myroon5 on Monday February 02, 2026 @12:08AM (#46852641)
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by UltraSane on Monday February 02, 2026 @12:15PM (#46858451)
That isn't the same KMS that everyone else uses. It is approved by the CCP so has a backdoor.
Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by locknitpicker on Saturday January 31, 2026 @01:00PM (#46838954)
> Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.

I don't know what you mean by China "getting rid of Microsoft" in the context of cloud providers. I mean, Azure is already present in China's internet, and just like any cloud provider present in China it's presence is a partnership with local cloud providers.

Russia is getting rid of Microsoft not because it has a choice. They are subjected to sanctions due to their invasion of Ukraine, and that essentially cut their access to all tech services. By that measuring stick, Russia is also getting rid of Boeing and Airbus.

Re:Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native by ivan_gammel on Saturday January 31, 2026 @02:55PM (#46840154)
The most interesting part is that they do not rely on Western software solutions (Russia still needs hardware, China may reach full autonomy soon enough). If they could do it relatively quickly, EU can do it too. And EU now has exactly the same incentives.