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Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by cdrnsf on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:01PM (#46669547)
We can hope that enough democrats win to cause gridlock and impede more harm. However, the democrats don't offer much in the way of substantive reform and have never demonstrated the stomach for taking bold stances. Whenever a candidate does come along and propose bold change, the institutional democratic party goes out of their way to sabotage or undercut them (think AOC, Sanders, Mamdani et al).
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by jimbohn on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:13PM (#46669716)
The democrat establishment doesn't seem interested in change, they are like a softer version of politicians getting bought out by tech. Well-mannered, but ultimately not doing long-term thing in the interest of the wider country.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by daveguy on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:08PM (#46669661)
They aren't going to be able to stop the next generation of candidates. And they aren't signing up to run to maintain the institution. This year and 2028 has the potential to be the Democrat's "tea party" moment (except for decent policies instead of destroying the government policies). And it's long overdue.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by monkaiju on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:11PM (#46669699)
I've heard this since I canvased for Obama in 2008, before I could even vote. At this point expecting change through the electoral system seems worse than a waste, its a vacuum thats sucks up the radical energy we need to get real change.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by daveguy on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:25PM (#46669849)
The party is already being taken over by the energy we need -- AOC, Mandami, and more. Trump going full fascist fuck is a catalyst. We can have the left-wing reaponse to the tea party that really changes the country back to decency. Or we can just sit around all defeatist and whining, because that's worked so well in the past.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by cdrnsf on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:26PM (#46669865)
I very much hope so. I changed my registration to decline to state. California has open primaries, so I can still vote in them, but I couldn't stomach being associated with stubborn, institutional failure.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by tzs on Sunday January 18, 2026 @05:32PM (#46672845)
Good. Countries the size of the US don't need bold change. They need stability with change accomplished by a gentle shift in direction.

What bold change looks like is Trump. An anti-Trump government implementing bold change in the other direction would be bad too. Not as bad because more of their change would at least be toward things that would be good in the long run, but there would still be a lot of harm on the way by taking it too fast.

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by dataflow on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:56AM (#46669490)
IMO if you want things to change, you should probably hope for the "right" party in the next presidential election, not the midterms. If an opposing Congress doesn't come to agreement with the president, then there's a fair chance the "wrong" party will get blamed during subsequent elections and lose again. Things were going great until the wrong party screwed it up, etc. And that might even cause the president to bypass Congress and take more power on the remaining things he hasn't yet.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by mistrial9 on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:02PM (#46669558)
self-parody -- the levels of political ignorance among American voters is constantly displayed
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by koolba on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:19PM (#46669794)
Framing all of us who voted for and support the President’s actions as ignorant is lazy and inaccurate. There’s plenty of us that objectively analyzed the state of the country, the state of the world, and agree with the vast majority of these actions.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by mistrial9 on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:29PM (#46669891)
this online discussion format is impossible :-( I can tell you with certainty I did not think at all what you just said.. I cannot even imagine how you get that impression
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by rendall on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:10PM (#46669679)
There is no right party, unfortunately. The Duopoly of Democrats and Republicans rely on this illusory idea of "the other side" to maintain a stranglehold on power for both parties. The sooner we give up that idea that one side is better than the other, the sooner we can hold "both sides" accountable. The Democrats are an absolutely corrupt shit show. As are the Republicans.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by coolewurst on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:15PM (#46669751)
I think that's a false equivalent.

No Democrat president threatened to take over Greenland or took another head of state hostage without precedent.

Yes, they are corrupt and warmongers, but not nearly as harmful as the current Republican party.

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Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by thatguy0900 on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:52AM (#46669435)
I would so much rather use arm twisting in background political discourse to open and public threats of military invasion on a nato ally. Those two are really not even comparable
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by alephnerd on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:55AM (#46669467)
The end result is the same - we have committed for 15 years now that we are pivoting East. And given some of the recent announcements in both the US and China, I think 2028 is going to be a very bleak year.

Edit: can't reply

> In one scenario nato breaks up...

It doesn't matter if we are in a US-China war WHICH HAS BEEN MY AND EVERY NATSEC STAFFER'S POINT SINCE 2009.

We do not care about Russia - you guys can easily handle them yourselves. On the other hand, you guys cannot support us in Kinmen, Luzon, Yonaguni, or Gageodo.

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by thatguy0900 on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:58AM (#46669510)
It's not? In one scenario nato breaks up and us becomes the pariah of the west led by a emboldened king and in the other it does not
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by bflesch on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:57AM (#46669497)
You're using false equivalence bias. The net result would have definitely been different.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by malfist on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:03PM (#46669581)
Sorry, but what? Are you saying Harris would also be threatening our allies with military conquest?
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by deadbabe on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:51AM (#46669416)
We can’t. It’s over. Laws don’t mean anything anymore. Even if we had a full democratic congress, they would just be ignored. The Trump administration has already been grooming people to accept congress is useless, beginning with the month long shutdown. And the Supreme Courts will just go along with whatever the president wants now.

Start preparing for the post-American world.

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by davepeck on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:57AM (#46669496)
This is self-destructive defeatism. It is also flat wrong on its substantive points.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by sylos on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:03PM (#46669583)
The only thing congress can do is impeach and convict trump and his administration, thereby stripping him of his authority. Laws have been passed, judges have ruled, but all those are ignored. however, if he has no authority, then we get to find out who's on the side of the constitution and who is with trump and his allies.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by deadbabe on Sunday January 18, 2026 @05:57PM (#46673055)
There will be many loyalists who will just side with the Trump administration. And then what?

Turns out, when the law has failed, the only solution is a fight to the death. And after such a fight, we do not return to our normal state and live happily ever after, we remain deeply unstable and untrustworthy for decades to come.

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by treetalker on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:02PM (#46669568)
If the Senate convicted, things would change. For one thing, I'm confident the military would not consider an impeached and convicted president as its commander in chief. And the prospect of the consequences of continuing to side with such a one would largely evaporate the availability of the administrative apparatus. Civil war would be a possible result, sure. But I disagree that such a Congress would simply be ignored and that ignoring it could be done while maintaining the means of continuing power.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by ceejayoz on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:16PM (#46669760)
> I'm confident the military would not consider an impeached and convicted president as its commander in chief.

The same ones currently blowing up shipwrecked survivors in the water in the Caribbean? A literal textbook example of a war crime? I’m not.

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by ctoth on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:02PM (#46669560)
This is catastrophizing, not analysis. If you genuinely feel this hopeless, that's worth examining as a signal about your own mental state rather than treating it as political insight.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by atmosx on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:47AM (#46669343)
Yes because EU politicians - especially this lot - have such a great track record…
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by jonkoops on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:08PM (#46669646)
The EU actually has a great track record, it has been a massive unifying force. I think people tend to forget how shit things were even 30 years ago. I really hate this constant shitting on the EU for no concrete reasons.

It is crippled because nation states want to retain control, it is one of the main reasons. People act like 'EU politicians' should solve everything overnight, but the reality is that it is out of their purview in many cases. Only federalization would resolve this issue.

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by atmosx on Sunday January 18, 2026 @01:23PM (#46670574)
> I think people tend to forget how shit things were even 30 years ago.

About thirty years ago a European family could survive on a single salary and get by decently. Now they can't. So, I'm not sure what are you talking about.

> It is crippled because nation states want to retain control, it is one of the main reasons.

IMO it's crippled by the amount of poor decisions making and complete inability to handle even small-scale crisis somewhat successfully.

> Only federalization would resolve this issue.

On this, I agree. But given the decision making the last 15-20 years, that option is dead on arrival.

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by geremiiah on Sunday January 18, 2026 @01:50PM (#46670865)
30 years ago life was more prosperous in western and southern Europe. I don't know about eastern Europe.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by jsiepkes on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:51AM (#46669412)
Still pissed over the fact the EU made Greece pay their debts when they thought they never had to repay their debts and could just get free money?
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by netsharc on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:03PM (#46669579)
I'm sure you consider yourself a clever person, ever consider that the situation was more complex than your one line comment? That maybe it's possible the German banks were so happy to see a country that suddenly had the backup system of the European Central Bank, i.e. a country full of customers they could lend to, that they flooded it with offers of loans? That Greeks, like the sub-prime borrowers of the USA, thought "Well, if everyone is saying the future looks bright, why not borrow money and pay it back with the promised future income?".

That, if I knew my friend was going to be irresponsible with money but their parent was going to bail them out, why shouldn't I lend them money with interest? Is that irresponsible of me? Do I deserve to get all my money back, instead of suffering some of the losses as well? (In this highly simplicized example, I = German banks, my friend = the Greek society, their parents = the ECB. Not saying all of Greek society was irresponsible, but in aggregate, it was a risky "investment")

A lot of the Greek bailout could be summarized as the German government bailing out German banks with EU taxpayers' money...

Here's a long article about what happened when Germany got flooded with money in the 1870s: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/michael-pettis-syriz... . It's longer than your one line, maybe you'd rather hold on to your more succint (and maybe more intelligent) summary...

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by gordonhart on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:53AM (#46669446)
Part of the reason we’re in this mess is that Americans bristle at getting told which is the “right” party to vote for by internationals, the media, existing politicians, institutions…
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by lpcvoid on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:08PM (#46669651)
You know, if everybody shouts at you to not do a certain thing, maybe, just maybe, they could have your best interests in mind? But instead they are being portrayed as "globalists" or whatever the mouthbreathers in the flyover states spin up today.

I really hope the US heals, quickly.

Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by fritzorino on Sunday January 18, 2026 @12:08PM (#46669656)
Pretty cucked move to destroy your own country to prove a point to random people abroad whom you've never met and will never meet.
Re:Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Nethe... by bflesch on Sunday January 18, 2026 @11:55AM (#46669472)
That's of course a totally valid reason to destroy your institutions, international reputation, and of course the lives of many poor people in your country. Makes sense /s