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Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by vmg12 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:11AM (#46476859)
I think people are overindexed on the US's failures to turn Islamic theocracies into democracies. The people in Venezuela want democracy. It's a fundamentally different situation.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by hearsathought on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:08AM (#46477521)
> The people in Venezuela want democracy.

Venezuela had a democracy for decades. It's the US that has been trying to destroy it for decades because the venezuelans voted for the wrong guy. It's funny how we forgot that the US also tried to remove the previous elected leader of venezuela.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by brazukadev on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:10AM (#46478256)
Last year the people decided to vote for an alternative and the dictator decided to stay in power.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by hearsathought on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:14AM (#46478315)
Did they really? If that many venezuelans truly voted against maduro then the venezuelans would have kicked him out. We wouldn't have had to kidnap him. The fact that we had to kidnap him is quite telling. Don't you think so?

No doubt many voted against maduro. But certainly many voted for him. No?

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by jakobnissen on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:18PM (#46479123)
No - we know Maduro lost the election. That's knowledge, not opinion. And he stayed in power, while crushing the opposition. Maduro is a garden variety dictator. Spectacularly corrupt, jails his political opponents, having taken over the media and so on.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by cirwyz on Saturday January 03, 2026 @04:02PM (#46481502)
How do you know? The official election council certified that he won. A bunch of foreign governments and US-aligned media claimed it was rigged. But the US has been trying to regime change them since they nationalized their oil.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by jakobnissen on Saturday January 03, 2026 @04:51PM (#46482012)
You're trying to paint a picture that it's just the US and it's lackeys that claim the election was rigged.

In truth, we know that the election was neither free nor fair, with the government prosecuting and oppressing the opposition.

The Venezuelan opposition made a point of providing evidence that they won, most notably official tally sheets which collaborate that they won. The government did not produce evidence or even care to refute the opposition's claims.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by komali2 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:20PM (#46484516)
A lot of my friends in Venezuela told me.

You should go talk to some venezuelans.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by zdragnar on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:41AM (#46478652)
You'd think Machado winning the Nobel peace prize would be enough for people to not question the popularity of Maduro, but here we are, random keyboard warriors defending dictators nonstop.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by hearsathought on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:57AM (#46478863)
> You'd think Machado winning the Nobel peace prize would be enough for people to not question the popularity of Maduro

You mean the woman advocating for the US to invade venezuela got the nobel prize? How shocking. It's almost as if the nobel prize is a political tool.

> but here we are, random keyboard warriors defending dictators nonstop.

"dictator". Sure. Everyone is a dictator and authoritarian.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by thrance on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:47AM (#46478739)
Reminder that Kissinger won the Nobel Prize in his time. Winning the Nobel Prize means you align with US geopolitical interests, nothing more.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by cirwyz on Saturday January 03, 2026 @04:07PM (#46481554)
Your comment doesn't make any sense. The Nobel Peace Prize isn't decided by Venezuelan people, it's decided by a council appointed by the Norwegian government.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by osiris970 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:48AM (#46478751)
You people aren't serious
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by Grikbdl on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:45AM (#46478701)
No, people can't just kick out an authoritarian dictator. Such rulers don't need democratic support to stay in power. Strong men only leave their palaces due to two reasons - death from old age or an even stronger power forcing them.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by hearsathought on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:02PM (#46478927)
> No, people can't just kick out an authoritarian dictator.

If that was the case, the US wouldn't exist. Might want to brush up on american history.

> Such rulers don't need democratic support to stay in power.

They most certainly do. Once they lose it, they collapse internally. Read up on some history.

As I said, if maduro had lost the popular support, the US would have had to invade and kidnap maduro. The venezuelan people would have done so. The only time foreign intervention is required is when a significant portion of the populace supports the leader.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by monerozcash on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:54PM (#46479492)
This is fundamentally incorrect. A dictator can oppress 90% of the people by just treating 10% of the population well, provided the 90% isn't allowed to heavily arm themselves anyway.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by dagss on Saturday January 03, 2026 @01:11PM (#46479683)
You jump from "some revolutions have happened" to "revolutions always happens and always succeed"...

By your logic why are there any tyrannies at all in the world? Do you really believe all governments are supported by their people and that oppression does not exist?

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by tootie on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:25PM (#46479197)
Given the US position in favor of Bolsanaro against Lula indicates that Trump is not interested in Democracy if it produces the wrong result. If Venezuelans elect a Socialist, they will immediately be out of our good graces.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by stusmall on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:31AM (#46477789)
> The people in Venezuela want democracy. It's a fundamentally different situation.

"We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators" - Dick Cheney (but I'm sure it'll work out this time)

There is a whole lot of directions this can go after we arrest the dictator, but a liberal democracy magically immediately popping isn't on my list. There might be one in the future but there will be a lot of chaos and violence between now and then.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by vmg12 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:37AM (#46477856)
What happened in Europe after WW2? Dick Cheney didn't invent the idea of America liberating a country and being greeted as liberators, it had happened before, specifically in countries that had a history of liberal democracy.

For some reason he thought it would apply to Islamic theocracies and it clearly didn't. Pattern matching Venezuela against Iraq or Afghanistan is an obvious mistake.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by stusmall on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:40AM (#46477888)
We aren't occupying Venezuela and rooting out everyone in the current regime and putting them on trial. We just arrested a handful of people leaving the rest of the government intact. It playing out like WW2 doesn't make sense
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by anonymousab on Saturday January 03, 2026 @01:04PM (#46479612)
Trump has today, explicitly said that the US administration - specifically his administration - will run Venezuela, with boots on the ground, for as long as is necessary.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by stusmall on Saturday January 03, 2026 @02:31PM (#46480564)
I was listening to the press conference and almost went back to edit my comment with a note about it. Honestly, coming out of that I have no idea if what is his saying is reality. As things stand and what we know, it doesn't make sense. We don't know about more troops currently on the ground. He said the VP has agreed to assist, but she is publicly saying very different things. I hate we are in a place as a country where we can't believe basic things about important topics our president says.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by pests on Saturday January 03, 2026 @03:40PM (#46481303)
I think you are misquoting slightly. Trump said he's not afraid of putting 'boots on the ground' in the country if necessary, not they are confirmed.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by tonfa on Saturday January 03, 2026 @04:24PM (#46481746)
Also in the Q&A he mentioned this was mostly targeting the protection of the oil extraction/American companies taking over, not the rest of the country.

(tho not sure how much we can really trust what he says)

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by jjk166 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @07:50PM (#46483568)
> What happened in Europe after WW2? Dick Cheney didn't invent the idea of America liberating a country and being greeted as liberators, it had happened before, specifically in countries that had a history of liberal democracy.

Those countries were actually being liberated from a foreign power that had invaded them just a few years prior.

There are very few examples where a foreign nation overthrowing the indigenous government (no matter how despised that government may be) are greeted as liberators, and in those select few instances the sentiment is almost universally short lived.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by testing22321 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:06PM (#46478975)
> The people in Venezuela want democracy.

Let’s assume for a second this is true, and the US is genuinely helping by removing a dictator.

Why Venezuela? Why not one of the other dozens of countries in the world this is the case?

Hint: oil.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by halJordan on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:19AM (#46476973)
I don't know if you remember that Hugo Chavez was voted into power, had a legitimate mandate to dismantle the democracy that elevated him, and then his voters defended him against a violent coup to restore that democracy.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by nipponese on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:44AM (#46477934)
I wonder if you would defend Trump for the same actions, and also don’t forget ‘dismantling free press’ in Hugo’s list of accomplishments.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by jjk166 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @07:53PM (#46483593)
I don't support Trump, but I would not support a foreign power unilaterally abducting him.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by tim333 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:44AM (#46477239)
"had a legitimate mandate to dismantle the democracy"... citation needed.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by xtracto on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:15PM (#46479082)
The problem US has always had with Latin America is that it's population likes a Socialist flavour of Democracy.

That doesn't rub well to the ruthless capitalist ideals of America. That's the reason why the US has destabilized the region again and again.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by croes on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:17AM (#46478351)
And the US want oil and other resources.

So Venezuela has to vote correctly otherwise it will get "freed" again

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by hollerith on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:22AM (#46478401)
Why would Washington try to get oil from Venezuela when its domestic oil industry produces all the oil the US needs (and if production were to decrease, the US economy could easily make up the shortfall by buying oil from Canada)?
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by testing22321 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:11PM (#46479030)
The US intentionally uses only a fraction of its oil reserves so it can control the price, and will still have plenty when others run out.

Check out the capacity of the Alaska pipeline, and how much goes down it each day. Literally the least possible to keep it well maintained.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by robocat on Saturday January 03, 2026 @02:27PM (#46480521)
Has that got anything to do with why these[1] graphs of US oil and gas production are limited to "Lower 48 states". I found that restriction to be very strange.

[1] https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=66564

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by croes on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:33AM (#46478540)
To hinder China, so sell it themselves, to prevent competition

Don’t forget I mentioned other resources too. Venezuela has more than oil.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by hollerith on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:42AM (#46478662)
Can you guess what resource the US is trying to procure by this military action?

I think you are trying to force an incorrect simplistic narrative on the situation. Obtaining natural resources is not an important motivation for US military action with the possible exception of US intervention in the Persian Gulf during the Cold War (and even there I see no evidence that the US was trying to get out of paying the going international rate for the oil as opposed to merely ensuring that willing sellers in the Gulf could continue to transport their oil over the ocean). Venezuela's cooperation with Moscow and Beijing is a much more likely motivation, i.e., US national security.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by trymas on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:55AM (#46478833)
> Venezuela's cooperation with Moscow and Beijing is a much more likely motivation, i.e., US national security.

If that’s the case why pootin got a red carpet in Alaska instead of orange jumpsuit?

Why if ruzzia is such a “threat to national security”, current government of “no new wars” doesn’t help Ukraine?

Don’t forget that eliminating (or reducing its influence to nothing) ruzzia - would hurt China immensely. Two birds with one stone and all… also with a benefit of a true legitimacy of helping Ukraine and destroying ruzzian totalitarianism.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by croes on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:36PM (#46479314)
Can you tell me why Vance and others speak of stolen oil?

What oil was stolen? Whose oil was stolen?

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by Hikikomori on Saturday January 03, 2026 @02:08PM (#46480316)
US has a long history of overthrowing both democracies and dictators to allow their companies to extract resources lining the pockets of already rich industrialists.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by cirwyz on Saturday January 03, 2026 @04:10PM (#46481597)
It's not about needing the oil to use, it's about profit for American oil companies. Resource extraction from foreign countries at gunpoint is a major basis of the US economy.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by jjk166 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @07:58PM (#46483631)
Domestic crude oil is mostly not compatible with US refineries, so it mostly gets exported. The US imports heavy crude, like that produced by Venezuela, for our domestic use.

Why would you buy oil from Canada when you can take oil from Venezuela?

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by hollerith on Saturday January 03, 2026 @08:31PM (#46483844)
>Domestic crude oil is mostly not compatible with US refineries

The oil produced in Texas is easy to refine. Some of it is exported as crude, and an approximately equal amount of heavy crude is imported because US refiners have a competitive advantage in refining it. It is not that US refiners cannot refine Texas crude: they make more money refining the heavy stuff or stuff with a high load of contaminants.

>Why would you buy oil from Canada when you can take oil from Venezuela?

But the US is not going to take it, just like they never took oil from Iraq after conquering that country. The value of all the oil produced worldwide in 2023 was about $1.7 trillion. Of course it cost a lot of money to extract the oil. That year the IRS collected over $4.7 trillion in tax revenue. The US government has easier ways of getting money than invading oil-rich countries.

The US does not want any country or economy in the Western Hemisphere to be stragically dependent on Russia or China, so kicking Chinese or Russians out of the oil industry in Venezuela might have been one goal of the current military action.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by erxam on Saturday January 03, 2026 @04:33PM (#46481831)
Going by what recently happened in Honduras, they won't even need to vote. The US will just choose for them!

How convenient.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by lotsofpulp on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:38AM (#46477866)
The funny part of that narrative is the US government currently being led by people who have been trying to tear down the concept of democracy in the US. Maybe once Venezuela has their democracy back, they can help out the people in the US?
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by sigwinch on Saturday January 03, 2026 @11:36AM (#46478583)
What’s even funnier is that, in some kind of trial, Maduro should enjoy Presidential Immunity.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by ronbenton on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:58AM (#46477418)
Determining the goodness of a blatantly illegal action by its ultimate success is a very Machiavellian view. Why have laws if all that matters is the final result?
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by forinti on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:24AM (#46477709)
I don't think the US has any interest in a democratic and stable middle east.

It's much easier and cheaper to extract resources from a balkanized region.

Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by doom2 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:50AM (#46477293)
What kind of democracy do Venezuelans want and will it be the same kind of democracy Trump wants to install? What if they want a democracy that continues to be friendly towards Cuba and wary of the US? Will Trump accept that?
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by vmg12 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @09:58AM (#46477420)
If your hypothetical plays out I'll say you were right.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by squibonpig on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:23AM (#46477701)
"the common people sew dragon banners and pray for your return"
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by vmg12 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @10:27AM (#46477746)
I can talk to Venezuelans and see videos of them celebrating in the streets.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by testing22321 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:14PM (#46479067)
For your own sake I hope you realize you are being shown those videos specifically to manipulate your opinion on this.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by vmg12 on Saturday January 03, 2026 @12:18PM (#46479111)
I can talk to them. I can talk to the Venezuelan refugees, who came here not because they are "political refugees" like some claim but because there was a famine in Venezuela.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by lbrito on Saturday January 03, 2026 @04:00PM (#46481483)
None of that implies that what comes next will be any better, and to think otherwise is simply being ignorant of history.
Re:Venezuela's capital hit by explosions, smoke seen by mkoubaa on Saturday January 03, 2026 @02:29PM (#46480546)
Boy I wish I was still this naive