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Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by d-lisp on Saturday November 01, 2025 @03:31PM (#45784573)
Why would you need webapps when you could just talk out loud to your computer ?

Why would I need programs with colors, buttons, actual UI ?

I am trying to imagine a future where file navigators don't even exist : "I want to see the photos I took while I was in vacations last year. Yes, can you remove that cloud ? Perfect, now send it to XXXX's computer and say something nice."

"Can you set some timers for my sport session, can you plan a pure body weight session ? Yes, that's perfect. Wait, actually, remove the jumping jacks."

"Can you produce a detroit style techno beat I feel like I want to dance."

"I feel life is pointless without a work, can you give me some tasks to achieve that would give me a feeling of fulfillment ?"

"Can you play an arcade style video game for me ?"

"Can you find me a mate for tonight ? Yes, I prefer black haired persons."

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by andoando on Saturday November 01, 2025 @04:14PM (#45784945)
Ive been imagining the same thing. Were kinda there with MCPs. Just needs full OS integration. Or I suppose you can write a bunch of clis and have LLM call them locally
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by d-lisp on Saturday November 01, 2025 @05:06PM (#45785353)
Well, if you have a terminal emulator, a database, a voice recognition software, a LLM wrapped in such a way that it can interact with the other elements, you obtain a ressembling stack.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by jonplackett on Saturday November 01, 2025 @03:42PM (#45784660)
Voice interfaces are not the be all and end all of communication. Even between humans we prefer text a lot of the time.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by d-lisp on Saturday November 01, 2025 @04:48PM (#45785195)
I cannot speculate about this, because I am not sure too observe the same.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by warkdarrior on Saturday November 01, 2025 @04:57PM (#45785272)
We've had writing for only around 6000 years. It shall pass.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by Krssst on Saturday November 01, 2025 @09:50PM (#45787194)
Plus there are many contexts where you don't want to use your voice (public transport, night time with other people sleeping, noisy areas where a mic won't pick up your voice...).

And there are people that unfortunately cannot speak.

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by d-lisp on Sunday November 02, 2025 @01:38AM (#45788059)
Well, there are people that cannot see.

Fortunately, there are solutions.

I want to add that I think you are missing my argument here. Devices that allow you to speak without speaking shall soon be available to us [0].

The important aspect of my position is to think about the relevance of "applications" and "programs" in the age of AI, and, as an exaggeration of what is shown in that post, I was wondering if in the end, UI is not bound to disappear.

[0] https://www.media.mit.edu/projects/alterego/overview/

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by yreg on Sunday November 02, 2025 @09:48AM (#45790707)
What GP describes sounds to me like having a friend control the computer and dictate to them what to do.

No matter how capable the friend it, it's oftentimes easier to do a task directly in a UI rather than to have to verbalize it to someone else.

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by finnborge on Saturday November 01, 2025 @04:18PM (#45784961)
I think this is well illustrated in a lot of science fiction. Irregular or abstract tasks are fairly efficiently articulated in speech, just like the ones you provided. Simpler, repetitive ones are not. Imagine having to ask your shower to turn itself on? Or your doors to open?

Contextualized to "web-apps," as you have; navigating a list maybe requires an interface. It would be fairly tedious to differentiate between, for example, the 30 pairs of pants your computer has shown you after you asked "help me buy some pants" without using a UI (ok maybe eye-tracking?).

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by d-lisp on Saturday November 01, 2025 @04:57PM (#45785277)
Maybe you don't even need a list if you can describe what you want or able to explain why the article you are currently viewing is not a match.

As for repetitive tasks, you can just explain to your computer a "common procedure" ?

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by roncesvalles on Sunday November 02, 2025 @03:33AM (#45788757)
On a tangent but I still don't know why we don't have showers where you just press a button and it delivers water at the correct temperature. It seems like the simplest thing that everyone wants. A company that manufactures and installs this (a la SolarCity) should be an instant unicorn.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by lazide on Sunday November 02, 2025 @06:10AM (#45789461)
Water + electronics/power typically isn’t very durable, or reliable. Most people want their shower valves to work at least 20 years, ideally 50-100.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by pepoluan on Sunday November 02, 2025 @09:35PM (#45795348)
Can be mitigated to a degree by separating the (cheaper) sensors and the (pricier) logic.

But then it will become a tradeoff of complexity vs longevity.

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by lazide on Monday November 03, 2025 @12:41AM (#45796161)
Nah, because it would still need servicing.

And why? There are reasonably well done, low maintenance, temperature balancing valves out there.

And they do typically last 20+ or more years.

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by pepoluan on Sunday November 02, 2025 @09:34PM (#45795343)
What's "correct" for you might not be "correct" for others. Furthermore, your owb definition of "correct" changes depending on circumstances; sometimes you want it hotter, sometimes you want it colder. Sometimes you want to change it partway through.

How do you calculate for that?

Back in the 90s, Fuzzy Logic was thought to be the solution. In a way, yes, but only for niche/specialized purposes, and they still have to limit the variables being evaluated.

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by roncesvalles on Friday November 14, 2025 @11:52PM (#45935139)
How about it uses temp sensors to read your skin temp (if that's the variable that matters, idk), and some mechanism for "feedback" after an initial guess? It's all implementation details.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by yencabulator on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @06:00PM (#45894077)
For what it's worth, Northern European showers typically have two independent controls: temperature and flow. Leave the temperature at what you think is good, and either wait a moment for hot water to reach the end of the pipe or install a recirculating loop.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by lazide on Sunday November 02, 2025 @06:09AM (#45789457)
They actually aren’t done well via voice UI either - if you care about the output.

We just gloss over the details in these hypothetical irregular or abstract tasks because we imagine they would be done as we imagine them. We don’t have experience trying to tell the damn AI to not delete that cloud (which one exactly?) but the other one via a voice UI. Which would suck and be super irritating, btw.

We know how irritating it would be to turn the shower off/on, because we do that all the time.

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by tomasphan on Saturday November 01, 2025 @04:36PM (#45785105)
This will eventually cause such reduction of agency that it will be perceived as fundamental threat to one's sense of freedom. I predict it will cause humanity to split into a group that accepts this, and one that rejects it at its fundamental level. We're already seeing the beginning of this with vinyl sales skyrocketing (back to 90s levels).
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by d-lisp on Saturday November 01, 2025 @05:02PM (#45785319)
I must be really dumb because I enjoy producing music, programming, drawing for the sake of it, and not necessarily for creating viable products.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by AmbroseBierce on Saturday November 01, 2025 @04:38PM (#45785121)
>Can you set some timers for my sport session, can you plan a pure body weight session ? Yes, that's perfect. Wait, actually, remove the jumping jacks."

Better yet, why exercise -which is so repetitive- if we can create a machine that just does it for you, including the dopamine triggering, why play an arcade video game where we can create a machine that fires the neuron needed to produce the exact same level of a excitement than the best video game.

And why find mates when my robot can morph into any woman in the world, or better yet, the brain implants that trigger the exact same feelings than having sex and love.

Bleak, we are oversimplifying existence itself and it doesn't lead to a nice place.

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by d-lisp on Saturday November 01, 2025 @04:49PM (#45785213)
Maybe I should have rephrased everything with : " Make me happy"

"Make me happy"

"Make me happy"

"Make me happy"

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by sifar on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:31PM (#45786469)
That's an infinite loop.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by cluckindan on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:54PM (#45786625)
Stop the loop of wanting
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by fouc on Sunday November 02, 2025 @05:39PM (#45794068)
The Tao of Zen in 5 words.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by hyperadvanced on Sunday November 02, 2025 @12:28AM (#45787847)
Zizek is a good reference here. What’s the word for it, interpassivity?
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by bloomca on Sunday November 02, 2025 @05:36AM (#45789309)
> Bleak, we are oversimplifying existence itself and it doesn't lead to a nice place.

We are already on this path for many-many years, certainly decades if not centuries, although availability was definitely spotty in the past.

It is also kind of impossible to hop off this train, while it is individually possible to reject any of these conveniences, in general they just become a part of life. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but just different.

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by AmbroseBierce on Sunday November 02, 2025 @10:11AM (#45790860)
Citation needed on that last sentence about ir not a bad thing, also I'm pretty sure climate change 100% counts as a collateral damage of this behavior.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by fouc on Sunday November 02, 2025 @05:39PM (#45794063)
> although availability was definitely spotty in the past.

lol, that seems like a reference to the William Gibson quote "The future is already here, it's just unevenly distributed"

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by DustinKlent on Monday November 03, 2025 @09:49AM (#45799583)
You say bleak, but a huge number of people would consider what you're describing as a utopian paradise...especially the morphing robot part.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by AmbroseBierce on Monday November 03, 2025 @12:56PM (#45802041)
I should know I am one of them, I mean exclusively the robot part.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by darkstarsys on Saturday November 01, 2025 @05:05PM (#45785348)
I just this week vibe-coded a personal knowledge management app that reads all my org-mode and logseq files and answers questions, and can update them, with WebSpeech voice input. Now it's my todo manager, grocery list, "what do I need to do today?", "when did I get the leaves done the last few years?" and so on, even on mobile (bye bye Android-Emacs). It's just a basic chatbot with a few tools and access to my files, 100% customized for my personal needs, and it's great.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by d-lisp on Saturday November 01, 2025 @05:11PM (#45785409)
I did that in the past, without a chatbot. Plain text search is really powerful.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by brulard on Saturday November 01, 2025 @06:11PM (#45785894)
Full assistant and a text search are quite a bit different things in terms of usefulness
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by anthk on Saturday November 01, 2025 @07:59PM (#45786663)
Not for org-mode.
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by TheTaytay on Saturday November 01, 2025 @10:31PM (#45787419)
Very cool! Does it load all of the files into context or grep files to find the right ones based on the conversation?
Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by timeon on Sunday November 02, 2025 @06:01AM (#45789422)
> “Hell of a world we live in, huh?” The proprietor was a thin black man with bad teeth and an obvious wig. I nodded, fishing in my jeans for change, anxious to find a park bench where I could submerge myself in hard evidence of the human near-dystopia we live in. “But it could be worse, huh?”

> “That’s right,” I said, “or even worse, it could be perfect.”

-- William Gibson: The Gernsback Continuum

Re:Show HN: Why write code if the LLM can just do the thing?... by narrator on Sunday November 02, 2025 @10:17AM (#45790921)
This is what all the people put out of work by AI are going to do.