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Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by simiones on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @08:23AM (#45114884)
I read the comments praising these voices as very life like, and went to the page primed to hear very convincing voices. That is not at all what I heard though.

The voices are decent, but the intonation is off on almost every phrase, and there is a very clear robotic-sounding modulation. It's generally very impressive compared to many text-to-speech solutions from a few years ago, but for today, I find it very uninspiring. The AI generated voice you hear all over YouTube shorts is at least as good as most of the samples on this page.

The only part that seemed impressive to me was the English + (Mandarin?) Chinese sample, that one seemed to switch very seamlessly between the two. But this may well be simply because (1) I'm not familiar with any Chinese language, so I couldn't really judge the pronunciation of that, and (2) the different character systems make it extremely clear that the model needs to switch between different languages. Peut-être que cela n'aurait pas été si simple if it had been switching between two languages using the same writing system - I'm particularly curious how it would have read "simple" in the phrase above (I think it should be read with the French pronunication, for example).

And, of course, the singing part is painfully bad, I am very curious why they even included it.

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by Uehreka on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:52AM (#45116513)
Their comments about the singing and background music are odd. It’s been a while since I’ve done academic research, but something about those comments gave me a strong “we couldn’t figure out how to make background music go away in time for our paper submission, so we’re calling it a feature” vibe as opposed to a “we genuinely like this and think its a differentiator” vibe.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by phildougherty on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @03:47PM (#45119731)
Totally felt the same way! Singing happens spontaneously? What?
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by lyu07282 on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @05:19PM (#45120529)
They mention that in the FAQ here: https://github.com/microsoft/VibeVoice/tree/main?tab=readme-...

> In fact, we intentionally decided not to denoise our training data because we think it's an interesting feature for BGM to show up at just the right moment. You can think of it as a little easter egg we left for you.

It's not a bug, it's a feature! Okaaaaay

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by jstummbillig on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:28AM (#45116238)
Is there any better model you can point at? I would be interested in having a listen.

There are people – and it does not matter what it's about – that will overstate the progress made (and others will understate it, case in point). Neither should put a damper on progress. This is the best I personally have heard so far, but I certainly might have missed something.

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by Uehreka on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:45AM (#45116434)
It’s tough to name the best local TTS since they all seem to trade off on quality and features and none of them are as good as ElevenLabs’ closed-source offering.

However Kokoro-82M is an absolute triumph in the small model space. It curbstomps models 10-20x its size in terms of quality while also being runnable on like, a Raspberry Pi. It’s the kind of thing I’m surprised even exists. Its downside is that it isn’t super expressive, but the af_heart voice is extremely clean, and Kokoro is way more reliable than other TTS models: It doesn’t have the common failure mode where you occasionally have a couple extra syllables thrown in because you picked a bad seed.

If you want something that can do convincing voice acting, either pay for ElevenLabs or keep waiting. If you’re trying to build a local AI assistant, Kokoro is perfect, just use that and check the space again in like 6 months to see if something’s beaten it. https://huggingface.co/hexgrad/Kokoro-82M

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by refulgentis on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @11:38AM (#45117058)
There's a certain know-nothing feeling I get that makes me worried if we start at the link (which has data showing it > ElevenLabs quality), jump to eh it's actually worse than anything I've heard then last 2 years, and end up at "none are as good as ElevenLabs" - the recommendation and commentary on it, of course, has nothing to do with my feeling, cheers
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by sandreas on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @12:48PM (#45117949)
What is your opinion about F5-TTS or Fish-TTS?
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by brettpro on Thursday September 04, 2025 @12:17AM (#45123530)
I recently implemented Fish for a project and found it adequate for TTS but wildly impressive in voice cloning. My POC originally required 3-10 audio samples but I removed the minimum because it could usually one shot it.

The model is good, but I will say their inference code leaves a lot to be desired. I had to rewrite large portions of it for simple things like correct chunking and streaming. The advertised expressive keywords are very much hit and miss, and the devs have gone dark unfortunately.

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by sandreas on Thursday September 11, 2025 @05:32PM (#45216319)
Did you consider contributing your improvements?
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by nipponese on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @11:41AM (#45117083)
Not OS or local, but just try ChatGPT Voice Conversation mode. To my ears, it's a generation ahead of these VibeVoice samples.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by lynx97 on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @11:04AM (#45116663)
I cobbled together llm-tts to run as many local (and remote) TTs models s I could find and get working.

https://github.com/mlang/llm-tts

Strictly speaking, even music generation fits the usage pattern: text in, audio out.

llm-tts is far from complete, but it makes it relatively "easy" to try a few models in an uniform way.

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by riquito on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @12:53PM (#45117999)
Probably not even the best ones, but among some recent models I find Dia and Orpheus more natural

- http://dia-tts.com/

- https://github.com/canopyai/Orpheus-TTS

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by whimsicalism on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @05:17PM (#45120502)
i think orpheus and sesame sound better
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by satellite2 on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:54PM (#45122997)
Elevenlabs v3 (not local)
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by popalchemist on Thursday September 04, 2025 @03:26AM (#45124570)
Higgs Audio v2 is currently SOTA in OSS TSS.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by IshKebab on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @08:52AM (#45115109)
I agree. For some reason the female voices are waaay more convincing than the male ones too, which sound barely better than speech synthesis from a decade ago.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by selkin on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:54AM (#45116546)
Results correlate to investment, and there’s more in synthesizing female coded voices. As for the why female coded voices gets more investments, we all know, only difference is in attitude towards that (the correct answer, of course, is “it sucks”)
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by recursive on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @11:56AM (#45117249)
We all know? Female voices have better intelligibility? That's my guess anyway.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by selkin on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @12:11PM (#45117432)
If you don't know, it's on you to learn. If you do know and prefer to make an asshole of yourself, that's also on you.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by kadoban on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @12:34PM (#45117761)
There's a lot of money and effort spent in satisfying the sexual desires of (predominantly straight) men. There's not typically quite as much interest in doing the same for women.

For example I've been looking at models and loras for generating images, and the boards are _full_ of ones that will generate women well or in some particular style. Quite often at least a couple of the preview images for each are hidden behind a button because they contain nudity. Clearly the intent is that they are at least able to generate porn containing women. There's a small handful that are focused on men and they're very aware of it, they all have notes lampshading how oddball they are to even exist.

I would expect that this is not as pronounced an effect in the world generating speech, but it must still exist.

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by lacy_tinpot on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @03:09PM (#45119407)
I think this is a very lazy kind of cultural analysis. The reason female voices are being chosen over male ones is a little more multifaceted than just SEX. Heterosexual women also tend to prefer female voices over male ones.

Female voices are often rated as being clearer, easier to understand, "warmer", etc.

Why this is the case is still an open question, but it's definitely more complex than just SEX.

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by selkin on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @05:44PM (#45120715)
That you consider it sex (rather than gender), is exactly why there’s a preference for female coded voices. Consider where we do hear male recorded voices used as default.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by recursive on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @05:57PM (#45120820)
Overloaded term. It was a reference to the parent's reference.

> satisfying the sexual desires of

So, "sex" as a reference to "sexual desires". In English, it just so happens that "sex" has other meanings, but those weren't in play at the time.

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by pylotlight on Thursday September 04, 2025 @01:00AM (#45123747)
woosh
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by akimbostrawman on Thursday September 04, 2025 @02:54AM (#45124345)
How the hell would you determine someone's self assigned social gender based on there voice which is a result of there physical sex.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by kadoban on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @09:58PM (#45122634)
I don't think that this is the only factor, I just suspect that it is _a_ factor.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by lacy_tinpot on Thursday September 04, 2025 @05:44PM (#45132575)
>There's not typically quite as much interest in doing the same for women.

Women also prefer female voices.

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by kadoban on Sunday September 07, 2025 @05:34PM (#45162390)
Okay. I'd happily believe that, it doesn't contradict what I said.

The quote you have from me is from this context:

> There's a lot of money and effort spent in satisfying the sexual desires of (predominantly straight) men. There's not typically quite as much interest in doing the same for women.

In that context, your response is impossible to respond to. Do you even disagree with what I said or do you (like me) just think that there are other factors in addition?

Any particular reason you're being kind of a dick btw?

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by mclau157 on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @09:59AM (#45115907)
ElevenLabs has a much more convincing voice model
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by sys32768 on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:33AM (#45116309)
They also offer an AI Voice Changer that will take a recording and transform it into a different voice but retain the cadence and intonation.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by DrBenCarson on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:33AM (#45116308)
Open source?
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by watsonmusic on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @11:04AM (#45116659)
it's not oss
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by odie5533 on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:29AM (#45116262)
It's good but not the best free model. I find Chatterbox to be more realistic with no robot-sounding and better (though not perfect) intonation.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by eaglehead on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @01:58PM (#45118687)
I agree. We switched from elevenlabs to chatterbox (hosted on Resemble.ai) and it is much much cheaper and better.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by lastdong on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @05:50PM (#45120756)
Chatterbox sounds great, their demo page is a good introduction: https://resemble-ai.github.io/chatterbox_demopage/
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by rcarmo on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @08:35AM (#45114973)
One of the things this model is actually quite good at is voice cloning. Drop a recorded sample of your voice into the voices folder, and it just works.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by watsonmusic on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @11:04AM (#45116655)
bonus usage
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by echelon on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @09:44AM (#45115714)
This is close to SOTA emotional performance, at least the female voices.

I trust the human scores in the paper. At least my ear aligns with that figure.

With stuff like this coming out in the open, I wonder if ElevenLabs will maintain its huge ARR lead in the field. I really don't see how they can continue to maintain a lead when their offering is getting trounced by open models.

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by kamranjon on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:26AM (#45116221)
Hmmmm… what is your opinion on the examples showcased here vs the ones on the Dia demo page?

https://yummy-fir-7a4.notion.site/dia

I am not sure why but I find the pacing of the parakeet based models (like Dia) to be much more realistic.

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by watsonmusic on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @10:58AM (#45116592)
11labs is facing a real competitor
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by MengerSponge on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @08:47AM (#45115076)
> (1) I'm not familiar with any Chinese language, so I couldn't really judge the pronunciation of that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by skripp on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @12:51PM (#45117982)
The male Chinese speakers had THICK American accents. Nothing really wrong with the language, but think the stereotype German speaking English. That was kind of strange to me.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by ascorbic on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @12:53PM (#45118004)
I think it's because it was using the American voice for it. Conversely the female voice in the Mandarin conversation spoke English with a Chinese accent.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by johanyc on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @03:24PM (#45119535)
The Chinese is good. The Mandarin to English example she sounds native. The English to Mandarin sounds good too but he does have an English speaker's accent, which I think is intentional.
Re:Microsoft VibeVoice: A Frontier Open-Source Text-to-Speec... by iansinnott on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @08:53PM (#45122185)
The English/Mandarin section was VERY impressive. The accents of both the woman speaking English and the man speaking Chinese were spot on. Both sound very convincingly like they are speaking a second language, which anyone here can hear from the Chinese woman speaking English voice. I'd like to add that the foreigner speaking Chinese was also spot on.