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Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by tombert on Thursday August 21, 2025 @11:51AM (#44974296)
Today I learned that Sears founded Prodigy!

Amazing how far that company has fallen; they were sort of a force to be reckoned with in the 70's and 80's with Craftsman and Allstate and Discover and Kenmore and a bunch of other things, and now they're basically dead as far as I can tell.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by htrp on Thursday August 21, 2025 @11:54AM (#44974338)
Blame short sighted investors asking Sears to "focus"
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by dehrmann on Thursday August 21, 2025 @12:11PM (#44974507)
They weren't wrong. Its core business in what is still a viable-enough sector collapsed. Or if it were truly well-managed, running an ISP and a retailer should have been enough insight to be Amazon.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by svnt on Thursday August 21, 2025 @01:11PM (#44975337)
Timing is a difficult variable.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by KerrAvon on Thursday August 21, 2025 @02:21PM (#44976239)
It wasn't possible for them to be well managed at the time it mattered. Sears was loaded with debt by private equity ghouls; same story for almost all defunct brick and mortar businesses; Amazon was a factor, but private equity is what actually destroyed them.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by frmersdog on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:22PM (#44977593)
And, knowing Jeff Bezos' private equity origins, one could be forgiven for entertaining the thought that none of this was an accident. Just don't be an idiot and, you know, give voice to that thought or anything.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by chollida1 on Thursday August 21, 2025 @06:27PM (#44978864)
> And, knowing Jeff Bezos' private equity origins

He doesn't have private equity origins as far as I know. He came from DE Shaw, a very well respected and long running hedge fund.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by ProjectArcturis on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:51PM (#44977919)
Are you suggesting that Jeff Bezos somehow convinced all his PE buddies to tank Sears (and their own loans to it) in order for him to build Amazon with less competition? Because, well, no offense, but that seems like a remarkably naive understanding of capital markets and individual motivations. Especially when it's well documented how Eddie Lampert's libertarian beliefs caused him to run it into the ground.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by andrew_lettuce on Thursday August 21, 2025 @05:23PM (#44978256)
Thank you for bringing this up. Sears really didn't have a choice, they were a victim of the most pernicious LBO, Gordon Gecko-style strip mining nonsense on the PE spectrum. All private equity is not the same but after seeing two PE deals from the inside (one a leveraged buy out) and another VC one with the "grow at insane place" playbook I think I prefer the naked and aligned greed of the VC model; PE destroyed both of the other companies while the VC one was already doomed.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by mikestew on Thursday August 21, 2025 @03:11PM (#44976821)
They weren't wrong.

Evidence suggests that maybe they were. "Focusing" obviously didn't work.

But at the end of the day, it was private equity and the hubris of a CEO who wasn't nearly as clever as he'd like to have thought he was.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by lotsoweiners on Thursday August 21, 2025 @10:23PM (#44980424)
I worked at Sears at the time when Amazon first started becoming a household name. I for the life of me couldn’t understand why they didn’t make a copycat site called the Sears Catalog Online. But then I think about it and management wanted salesmanship because selling maintenance agreements was their cash cow. Low margin sales won in the long term hence we have Walmart and Amazon as the biggest retailers.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by bryanlarsen on Friday August 22, 2025 @12:40PM (#44986643)
Likely standard management failure. Sears got burned badly when it put its catalog online on Prodigy in the 80's, so obviously online sales were doomed to failure.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by dh2022 on Thursday August 21, 2025 @12:28PM (#44974712)
My favorite anecdote about Sears is from Starbucks current HQs - the HQs used to be a warehouse for Sears. Before renovation the first floor walls next to the elevators used to have Sears' "commitment to customers" (or something like that).

To me it read like it was written by Amazon decades earlier. Something about how Sears promises that customers will be 100% satisfied with the purchase, and if for whatever reason that is not the case customers can return the purchase back to Sears and Sears will pay for the return transportation charges.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by tombert on Thursday August 21, 2025 @01:22PM (#44975481)
Craftsman tools have almost felt like a life-hack sometimes; their no-questions-asked warranties were just incredible.

My dad broke a Craftsman shovel once that he had owned for four years, took it to Sears, and it was replaced immediately, no questions asked. I broke a socket wrench that I had owned for a year and had the same story.

I haven't tested these warranties since Craftsman was sold to Black and Decker, but when it was still owned by Sears I almost exclusively bought Craftsman tools as a result of their wonderful warranties.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by mindcrime on Thursday August 21, 2025 @01:28PM (#44975573)
FWIW, I bought a Craftsman 1/4" drive ratchet/socket set at a Lowes Home Improvement store last year, and when I got it home and started messing with it, the ratchet jammed up immediately (before even being used on any actual fastener). I drove back over there the next day and the lady at the service desk took a quick look, said "go get another one off the shelf and come back here." I did, and by the time I got back she'd finished whatever paperwork needed to be done, handed me some $whatever and said "have a nice day."

Maybe not quite as hassle free as in years past, but I found the experience acceptable enough.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by tracker1 on Thursday August 21, 2025 @05:25PM (#44978283)
I think that's as much about Lowes as it is Craftsman... I don't think Craftsman tools have been particularly well build, just that they had and are able to have enough margins to have a no questions asked policy... it probably helps that a lot of the materials are completely and easily recyclable.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by projektfu on Thursday August 21, 2025 @06:18PM (#44978771)
It made sense to use the Craftsman screwdriver as a pry bar in a pinch and save the really good one for just turning screws.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by lostlogin on Thursday August 21, 2025 @03:24PM (#44976940)
> My dad broke a Craftsman shovel once that he had owned for four years, took it to Sears, and it was replaced immediately, no questions asked. I broke a socket wrench that I had owned for a year and had the same story.

This is covered by consumer protection laws in some places. 4 years on a spade would be pushing it, but I’d try with a good one. Here in New Zealand it’s called ‘The Consumer Guarantees Act’. We pay more at purchase time, but we do get something for it.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by ssl-3 on Thursday August 21, 2025 @02:47PM (#44976540)
Lots of tools have lifetime warranties. Harbor Freight's swap process is probably fastest, these days, for folks with one nearby. Tekton's process is also painless, but slower: Send them a photo of the broken tool, and they deliver a new tool to your door.

But I'm not old enough to remember a time when lifetime warranties were unusual. In my lifetimes, a warranty on handtools has always seemed more common than not outside of the bottom-most cheese-grade stuff.

I mean: The Lowes house-brand diagonal cutters I bought for my first real job had a lifetime warranty.

And before my time of being aware of the world, JC Penney sold tools with lifetime warranties.

(I remember being at the mall with my dad when he took a JC Penney-branded screwdriver back to JC Penney -- probably 35 years ago.

He got some pushback from people who insisted that they had never sold tools, and then from people who insisted that they never had warranties, and then he finally found the fellow old person who had worked there long enough to know what to do. Without any hesitation at all, she told us to walk over to Sears, buy a similar Craftsman screwdriver, and come back with a receipt.

So that's what we did.

She took the receipt and gave him his money back.

Good 'nuff.)

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by kjkjadksj on Thursday August 21, 2025 @01:32PM (#44975630)
Harbor freight is like that too.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by platevoltage on Thursday August 21, 2025 @10:58PM (#44980601)
harbor freight will take literally anything back, and put it right back on the shelf.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by kjkjadksj on Friday August 22, 2025 @01:58PM (#44987583)
How? It lacks packaging and the tool could be marred up.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by platevoltage on Friday August 22, 2025 @03:26PM (#44988778)
I'll add, "if you return it in box".

I bought a hydraulic press. It was missing bolts, has already been assembled before.

A friend bough some wheel Dollie's the threads on the castors were stripped out.

People buy things and use them once for their project, then return them.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by jimbokun on Thursday August 21, 2025 @05:41PM (#44978426)
The Sears Catalog was the Amazon of its day.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by esaym on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:15PM (#44977509)
There were quite a few small ISP's in the 1990's. Even Bill Gothard[0] had one.

[0]https://web.archive.org/web/19990208003742/http://characterl...

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by hollerith on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:27PM (#44977652)
Prodigy predates ISPs (internet service providers). Before the web had matured a little in 1993 the internet was too technically challenging to interest most consumers except maybe for email, and Prodigy was formed in 1984 -- and although it offered email, it was walled-garden email: a Prodigy user could not exchange email with the internet till the mid-1990s at which time Prodigy might have become an ISP for a few years before going out of business.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by tombert on Thursday August 21, 2025 @07:09PM (#44979257)
At a previous job I worked under a guy who started his own ISP in the early 90’s. I would have loved to have been part of that scene but I was only like four when that happened.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by kens on Thursday August 21, 2025 @04:22PM (#44977586)
On the topic of how Sears used to be high-tech: back in 1981, when IBM introduced the IBM PC, it was the first time that they needed to sell computers through retail. So they partnered with Sears, along with the Computerland chain of computer stores, since Sears was considered a reasonable place for a businessperson to buy a computer. To plan this, meetings were held at the Sears Tower, which was the world's tallest building at the time.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by duderific on Thursday August 21, 2025 @07:52PM (#44979600)
Wow, I hadn't thought about Computerland for quite a while. That was my go-to to kill some time at the mall when I was a teen.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by NordSteve on Thursday August 21, 2025 @05:50PM (#44978505)
Bought my IBM PC from Sears back in the day. Still have the receipt.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by zenonu on Thursday August 21, 2025 @06:45PM (#44979053)
Worthy if its own hacker news post. Would love to see it.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by Imustaskforhelp on Friday August 22, 2025 @01:14AM (#44981218)
Yup I agree GP.

today is the first time I heard of sears and the comment about the sears towers and ibm literally gave me goosebumps.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by gcanyon on Thursday August 21, 2025 @05:12PM (#44978161)
:-) Then it's going to blow your mind that CompuServe (while not founded by them) was a product of H&R Block.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by matthewn on Thursday August 21, 2025 @05:44PM (#44978449)
For more on this -- and how Sears had everything it needed (and more) to be what Amazon became -- see this comment from a 2007 MetaFilter thread: https://www.metafilter.com/62394/The-Record-Industrys-Declin...
Re:Mark Zuckerberg freezes AI hiring amid bubble fears by fragmede on Thursday August 21, 2025 @07:24PM (#44979378)
The untold story, is the names of individuals fighting office politics that lead to that (not) happening.