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Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by SchemaLoad on Sunday July 20, 2025 @11:08PM (#44631427)
This article uses the term AI 5 times to talk about basic microcontroller sensor readings.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by boodleboodle on Sunday July 20, 2025 @11:50PM (#44631649)
That my friend is the Korean Way (^tm).

If they don’t meet the minimum AI namedrop quota, Seocho Samsung HQ rejects the proposal.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by cactusfrog on Monday July 21, 2025 @12:23AM (#44631787)
My process control theory textbook has a chapter on neural networks and a lot of the language in control theory has an AI like tinge to it. I think this AI language is native to control theory so it might not be as overblown as it first sounds.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by fourthark on Monday July 21, 2025 @02:15AM (#44632238)
A thermostat is a cybernetic device.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by Hackbraten on Monday July 21, 2025 @03:19AM (#44632574)
So we need both AI and Kubernetes.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by romantomjak on Monday July 21, 2025 @03:51AM (#44632736)
Independently scale and deploy fridges at edge. Fridge@Edge ™
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by moffkalast on Monday July 21, 2025 @04:37AM (#44633005)
Suck it, Jian Yang
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by Incipient on Monday July 21, 2025 @05:40AM (#44633343)
Edge devices are problematic. I want to outsource the risk and decrease capex (and just hope opex works out).

CloudFridge.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by anakaine on Monday July 21, 2025 @07:02AM (#44633780)
We're going to need decrease load and off-shift the munchies so the fridge doesnt crash. Can we use a CDN?

Comestible distribution network.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by throwaway915 on Monday July 21, 2025 @06:58AM (#44633759)
Cloud involves losing sovereignty of data. And rabbits.

Local Automated Refrigeration Devices Eat Rabbits.

LARDER.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by JTbane on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:33AM (#44635576)
sorry, us-west-1 went down for 6 hours and my milk spoiled
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by Hackbraten on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @12:34PM (#44649543)
Definitely has "Unauthorized Bread" vibes.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by carlhjerpe on Monday July 21, 2025 @08:48AM (#44634500)
Hating on Kubernetes in 2025 doesn't really dong the gong like it used to, if you want to control your workloads through a well integrated API and not be bound to a cloud vendor there aren't many realistic options.

Kubernetes is only hard because people make it hard and never bothered to understand the basics of their workload scheduler.

Kubernetes is NOT AI hype, it solves real problems for real people everywhere.

"Infrastructure projects" that are here to stay and only getting better: Linux, systemd, Postgres, Kubernetes etc...

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by HighGoldstein on Monday July 21, 2025 @09:21AM (#44634788)
I think a lot of the Kubernetes hate comes from non-technical people deciding to use it in cases where it either doesn't actually solve any problem, or the overhead is much greater than the benefit. There's a reason it originated from Google, and as much as it pains MBA factory graduates, the project or organizaton they manage is nowhere near Google scale.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by ethbr1 on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:23AM (#44635450)
> and as much as it pains [your average software developer], the project or organizaton they manage is nowhere near Google scale.

Fixed.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by dr_dshiv on Monday July 21, 2025 @05:45AM (#44633376)
And Cornelis Drebbel invented the first thermostat and the first chemical air conditioning system in the early 1600s. Cybernetic alchemist.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by Onavo on Monday July 21, 2025 @01:27AM (#44632040)
I mean yes, that's what reinforcement learning is.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by raxxorraxor on Monday July 21, 2025 @05:04AM (#44633143)
I always thought my software PID controller with 512kb main memory is quite smart. Pure AI in my opinion.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by eru on Monday July 21, 2025 @05:57AM (#44633428)
That's quite a lot of memory for a little PID controller, isn't it? But I guess these days, they already only cost pennies, so you wouldn't save much from going for even less memory?
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by raxxorraxor on Monday July 21, 2025 @06:59AM (#44633762)
It is a serious PID controller using an intelligent AI ringbuffer. But yeah, 512kb was probably vastly exaggerated... 512 bytes is probably enough :)
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by amelius on Monday July 21, 2025 @06:51AM (#44633716)
Huh, control theorists always try to rigorously prove the stability and performance of their algorithms. AI seems to be the opposite of that: just let the black box solve it and don't worry about any problems, we'll just add more training data if they happen!
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by FirmwareBurner on Monday July 21, 2025 @07:22AM (#44633899)
Yes! Let's spend 100x the resources on AI to do what a PID controller or Kalman filter can do.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by ethbr1 on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:21AM (#44635428)
I’m less scared about 100x the resources (in most applications) in exchange for decreasing programmer time / need.

What worries me far more is the lack of formalism around risk / boundary cases by undertrained teams using modern AI solutions.

Anyone building on top of a thing should either understand (a) how it’s built in detail or (b) its specifications and behavior in detail.

Most of these teams understand neither about LLMs.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by FirmwareBurner on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:27AM (#44635500)
>Most of these teams understand neither about LLMs.

That's where my 100x comes from, not from the dev effort but from the debugging of issues of an unknown black box.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by jameshart on Monday July 21, 2025 @09:08AM (#44634672)
If you type ‘fuzzy logic’ in to google the autocomplete suggested search is ‘fuzzy logic rice cooker’. Control theory has been stealing ML terminology for a long time.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by ethbr1 on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:26AM (#44635490)
:D Rice cooker marketing is weirdly synchronized on that.

Speaking of, what does it actually mean? That the cooker isn’t using a timer?

Do most of them run off weight + time + heat response logic?

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by bee_rider on Monday July 21, 2025 @09:57AM (#44635176)
I firmly believe control theory folks didn’t invent LLMs only because the idea of doing a big fit on everything sounds too much like a joke they were telling each other.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by Quitschquat on Monday July 21, 2025 @02:03AM (#44632190)
I kinda of gave up after the second mention.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by looofooo0 on Monday July 21, 2025 @02:07AM (#44632209)
"We used copilot to hack the code together."
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by avhception on Monday July 21, 2025 @02:28AM (#44632306)
My parent's new fridge has the word AI printed on at least 5 of the stickers that were plastered all over the thing.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by meindnoch on Monday July 21, 2025 @03:59AM (#44632771)
And I bet those stickers ripped when trying to remove them, and left a sticky residue on the surface.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by blitzar on Monday July 21, 2025 @04:36AM (#44633001)
The fridge has Ai not the stickers.

If someone has a few exa-flops of compute handy, the sticker thing could do with some attention.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by qart on Monday July 21, 2025 @02:53AM (#44632432)
Just a few years ago, the buzzwords were "germicidal", "immunity boosting", "anti-bacterial", etc. for every damn thing, especially in India, where marketing can get away with bizarre claims.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by GuB-42 on Monday July 21, 2025 @05:39AM (#44633333)
Is there anything that is proved to be "immunity boosting" apart from vaccines?

Well, and germs of course. Germs will cause an immune response, but that's probably not the kind of "boost" you are interested in.

As for AI, I guess it is sufficiently vague and also not a medical claim, so you can put it everywhere. But because it is just as vague for consumers, is it even worth something for marketing?

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by colechristensen on Monday July 21, 2025 @06:06AM (#44633475)
Depends on your definition of "boosting". Vitamin C is essential for plenty of immune functions and a deficiency has serious effects on immunity. Enormous doses of Vitamin C have been shown to be effective in various scenarios as well. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8239596/
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by bluGill on Monday July 21, 2025 @08:55AM (#44634555)
While not wrong, that is very misleading - for the vast majority we already get plenty of vitamin C in our diet and we don't have the specific situations where enormous doses will be effective.

At least vitamin C is water soluble: your body will almost always just pee out any extra quick so it is very hard to overdose. Those who have a kidney problem should check with a doctor, for the rest of us massive doses just make our pee more expensive.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by colechristensen on Monday July 21, 2025 @09:32AM (#44634885)
>for the vast majority we already get plenty of vitamin C

This is highly dependent on the population you're talking about. There are plenty of people around the world who don't have great nutrition and don't eat large amounts of fortified industrial food.

>for the rest of us massive doses just make our pee more expensive

The study I linked reported ridiculous doses of vitamin C "dramatically improved the clinical state and cardiovascular, pulmonary, hepatic and renal function" in ICU spesis patients. Like 200-400 grams of sodium ascorbate administered over 7 hours. The recommended daily nutritional consumption of vitamin C is around 80 milligrams.

There are other studies reporting other positive outcomes for large doses of vitamin C. This isn't a recommendation that you should take hundreds of grams every day yourself, but there is ample evidence in a clinical setting for "immune boosting" vitamin C in large doses. (and also criticisms of the daily value for being too low)

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by bluGill on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:36AM (#44635611)
The vast majority of people are not currently in an ICU though. That situation doesn't apply to us.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by colechristensen on Monday July 21, 2025 @02:13PM (#44638470)
If your immune system was "boosted" and worked significantly better tomorrow than it does today, would there be large measurable outcomes? No, probably not. Unless you've got something wrong with you, day to day, it would be hard to detect a distinct improvement in an already working system. Getting a good signal-to-noise ratio for a healthy person getting slightly healthier is hard. The bias for not publishing negative results and various sorts of intentional and unintentional p-hacking means that small-effect-size research that showed say "1 gram of vitamin C per day improved x by 5% in healthy adults" wouldn't be that reliable anyway. "dramatic improvement" of ICU sepsis patients isn't something that suffers from p-hacking.

Someone dying of sepsis in an ICU though, there's a whole bunch of very clear signals whether something is meaningfully effective or not. What that result tells you is that megadoses of vitamin C are likely not bullshit and should continued to be studied in more and more difficult to detect cases.

What this tells me is that 1) because I know it's likely rather safe for me and 2) there's enough evidence to convince me it might help, I'll keep taking lots of vitamin C if I feel like I'm getting sick.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by veunes on Monday July 21, 2025 @03:24AM (#44632596)
"AI" has become the seasoning you sprinkle on anything to make it sound futuristic
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by Cthulhu_ on Monday July 21, 2025 @04:16AM (#44632873)
I wonder if there's a site that keeps track of these. It was crypto before, then ML, for a while a lot of job openings seasoned their text with IoT, etc.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by yehoshuapw on Monday July 21, 2025 @06:19AM (#44633534)
so long as it isn't about ai based crypto running on IoT, not interested
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by keysdev on Monday July 21, 2025 @04:33AM (#44632978)
It is the cheese abd soy sauce of computer science now days
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by prmoustache on Monday July 21, 2025 @05:01AM (#44633126)
AI is to software services what avocado is in the food industry.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by thesz on Monday July 21, 2025 @06:19AM (#44633541)
"AI" has become the seasoning you sprinkle on anything to make it sound contemporary.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by vasco on Monday July 21, 2025 @03:39AM (#44632671)
But zero web 2.0 references so we can rejoice.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by maeln on Monday July 21, 2025 @05:39AM (#44633327)
Nah the new buzz was the Web 3, Web 2.0 is sooo 2010
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by colechristensen on Monday July 21, 2025 @06:01AM (#44633449)
Web 3 was blockchain nonsense "everywhere" and the buzz has died because the only people who want blockchains are speculators, money launderers, and niche boring users like nightly settlement of inter-bank accounts.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by poulpy123 on Monday July 21, 2025 @07:19AM (#44633873)
You still see them in the numeric art field along with NFT.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by maeln on Monday July 21, 2025 @06:09AM (#44633485)
And it was sprinkled everywhere, like sesame seeds on burger, just like Web 2.0 in the 2010 and AI now :) . We just need a Web 3 blockchain Web 2.0 AI FinTech startup
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by razakel on Monday July 21, 2025 @04:13AM (#44632853)
"Sorry, your subscription has expired and now all your food is mouldy. If you have any complaints, call 1-800-FUCK-YOU and we'll just laugh at you."
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by ggus on Monday July 21, 2025 @09:20AM (#44634769)
Even worse: If you have any complaints, call a number we won't publish anywhere on our site and a robotic voice will just laugh at you.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by zettabomb on Monday July 21, 2025 @06:50AM (#44633706)
So I'm not defending the use of the term AI in this context, however in this case it's part of the product name (for the most part, there's only a few other references). Does the product use anything that would be regarded as properly AI? No idea, but marketing definitely is going to want you to use the Full Product Name(TM) whenever possible.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by throwawayoldie on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:17AM (#44635383)
> marketing definitely is going to want you to use the Full Product Name(TM) whenever possible

Counterpoint: fuck marketing.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by Seb-C on Monday July 21, 2025 @07:38AM (#44634022)
I purchased a book the other day, and when I turn the pages, it automatically shows me the text that I want to read. It must be powered by AI.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by oneshtein on Monday July 21, 2025 @08:26AM (#44634333)
It looks like joke today, but it's not a joke anymore.

Book can look at your search history youtube history, or reading history to have insight about your points of interest to create list of topics you like, then generate pages on the fly using LLM.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by TechDebtDevin on Monday July 21, 2025 @09:15AM (#44634738)
I imagine theres going to be an entire new class of intelligent humans powered by LLMs that

learn this way, and they are going to be at such a disadvantage to the people that do it the old fashioned way and dont take shortcuts.

The vast majority of humans are going to offload all their critical think skills to LLMs. I dont want to be friends with those people.

I want to start a blog about these people called "Artifically Intelligent"

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by SecretDreams on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:22AM (#44635440)
> I dont want to be friends with those people.

That really limits the friendship selection pool :(.

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by throwawayoldie on Monday July 21, 2025 @01:24PM (#44637813)
Quality over quantity.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by artursapek on Monday July 21, 2025 @09:23AM (#44634806)
They exist already, and are the people who watch a lot of cable TV. They are called NPCs
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by TechDebtDevin on Monday July 21, 2025 @11:16AM (#44636172)
Yeah but I believe the internet rescued a lot of people from that existence, but the people running the internet now are actively working against that.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by tenthirtyam on Monday July 21, 2025 @09:48AM (#44635063)
Ah, you've discovered the Built-in Orderly Organised Knowledge device [1]. Juse wait until you dicover PENCILS!

[1] https://cool.culturalheritage.org/byorg/abbey/an/an21/an21-8...

Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by frozenwind on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:26AM (#44635492)
I like this reply so much.
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by SecretDreams on Monday July 21, 2025 @10:20AM (#44635413)
How else would we know they used AI???
Re:Staying cool without refrigerants: Next-generation Peltie... by bgnn on Monday July 21, 2025 @04:14PM (#44639921)
We used to call any sensor with a digital output a smart sensor, although there was nothing smart about it. Now that smart became AI.