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Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by 725686 on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:47AM (#44582932)
In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by SJC_Hacker on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @11:13AM (#44583191)
> In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?

Sure you can sue anybody for anything. Whether your case actually gets heard or not is another consideration. And even if it gets heard, the judge can simply dismiss it for a variety of reasons before proceeding to trial.

Also, state and the federal governments have sovereign immunity and qualified immunity. Basically the government has to allow itself to be sued.

True this doesn't apply to counties or cities, however there is still a much higher bar for tort even for local police. Generally if they are operatikng within the law, like executing a valid search warrant, the standard is much higher than it would be for an average citizen.

Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by toast0 on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:59AM (#44583068)
You can sue the government, but the grounds for winning are much narrower.

Meerly suffering harm from government action is not sufficient. Having property impounded as part of an investigation, pursuant to a warrant, is likely not actionable, unless there was malice involved. Using slim evidence isn't really actionable.

Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by BLKNSLVR on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @11:25AM (#44583319)
Australia.

We looked into anything that could be done to minimise the chances of such a thing happening to innocent parties, but the only option was to make a complaint about an individual officer. There's no (easy, obvious) way to question the system they use to determine "validity" of raids or due diligence prior to requesting a warrant, or evidence required to justify a warrant.

The whole thing just felt to me like it was blindly rubber stamped all the way through because "protect the children". Pity my daughter was a child and absorbs such experiences... My son was also a child, but he's less affected by such things.

Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by behringer on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:17PM (#44584022)
It's good for children in the US to learn early that they can't trust the police.
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by codr7 on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @01:07PM (#44584583)
Same goes for almost any other country I've been to. But the US does seem to be one of the worst places from what I see online.
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by rdtsc on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @01:25PM (#44584769)
In which country can the children trust the police?
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by slaw on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @04:15PM (#44586353)
China?
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by more_corn on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @04:44PM (#44586606)
Japan, England
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by giantg2 on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @05:26PM (#44586955)
Can they? I've heard of police in Japan pinning murder cases on people they don't like. I believe there has been some reporting on this related to why thy have such high clearance rates. Don't the police in the UK still have a lot of sexual misconduct scandals?
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by FirmwareBurner on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @05:28PM (#44586980)
In England the police arrests you for a tweet under hate speech laws and they threw the post office workers under the bus to protect the politicians and buggy SW of Fujitsu. Not the place where I'd trust the law enforcement at all.

And Japan, while being clean, safe and Kawai, its legal system has like a 90%+ conviction rate, so make of this what you will.

Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by heraldgeezer on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @04:56PM (#44586681)
In general, the most civilized part of the world, western & north europe.

So, Norway, Dennmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Spain, Austria, Switzerland

Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by sickofparadox on Thursday July 17, 2025 @02:21PM (#44596401)
You can, and people have, get arrested and sentenced to prison in most of those countries for posts on social media.
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by sfn42 on Friday July 18, 2025 @08:38PM (#44611439)
Do you have some specific examples? You present it as if it's a bad thing but I can imagine scenarios where it makes perfect sense. As an obvious example the person could be sharing CP on social media.

So what exactly are you referring to?

Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by sickofparadox on Monday July 21, 2025 @01:55PM (#44638254)
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by sfn42 on Monday July 21, 2025 @06:30PM (#44641130)
The Telegraph article does seem a bit ridiculous but the others seem fairly fine to me. One of them wasn't even an arrest, it was just a politician pressing charges which is his right.

I think it's fair to demand that people follow laws on the internet as in person. Germany has laws against supporting nazism and for good reason. I don't give a crap about those people's right to free speech. The laws against insulting politicians seem a bit less reasonable but honestly just don't call people names online. Can't say I'm bothered by these articles.

Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by sickofparadox on Monday July 21, 2025 @08:20PM (#44641946)
Are you by any chance a European?
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by behringer on Tuesday July 22, 2025 @04:07PM (#44652382)
He said not to call people names, dummy.
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by DeepSeaTortoise on Wednesday July 23, 2025 @02:56AM (#44656433)
Most Germans wouldn't be able to recognize Nazism if it was doing the harlem shake on their dining table.

Mention to them that the only way Communism and Nazism differ is Nazism following Engel's nationalist approach to overthrowing capitalism rather than Marx's international one and Nazis having been obsessed with spiritual and Iranian occultism and you're met with blank stares.

Yet those are the fundamentals of Nazism everything else derives from. Including the Holocaust.

Same goes for the understanding of the Nazis "Nationalism". Most Germans just won't believe you when you tell them that it was an absurd use of that term and much more similar to the modern "pro-EU" mindset than the modern understanding of nationalism.

The Germans are propagandized into thinking the definition of Nazis is being called "rightwing" by the media and wanting decentralization of power and cultural homogenity (modern nationalism). Yet the left:

- has already its SA precursors back on the streets (Hammerbande, Antifa, "NGOs")

- is getting rid of free speech to the maximum extent they somehow can pull off within the limits of the law and beyond that through mandatory voluntary industry initiatives (e.g. "Trusted Flaggers")

- are manufacturing external enemies at fault for all wrong (the Russians)

- is spinning up the war machine (massive military spending at 5% of GDP, near limitless commitment to finance the Ukraine war instead of trying to push for peace)

- Are centralizing more and more power in the hands of highly intransparent or even unelected institutions (e.g. EU or international contracts)

And various other stuff. E.g. some of the stuff you can hear on e.g. party congresses of the German "Die Linke".

Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by fakedang on Thursday July 17, 2025 @06:58AM (#44591875)
I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for looking like I'm shilling, but the UAE, ironically. They do not mess around with kids, and make sure they're not exposed to whatever issue the parents might be facing. In many cases, the police allow for lenient visitations for the mother and children. These instances are often not portrayed online because 1.) family guys tend to be less involved in open crime whatsoever, 2.) the UAE has a large singles population so whatever instances happen are very rare, and 3.) the surveillance state ensures that the police already know who's at fault and who isn't.

But God forbid if you're ever caught for any crime whatsoever. Or if you're detained for domestic violence. Especially if not in Dubai (which is miles more lenient than other emirates).

Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by Muromec on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @10:54AM (#44583004)
Why would you be able to sue the government for conducting a search authorized by a judge? It's expected that result of some searches is "Oopsie doopsie nothing found".
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by TimorousBestie on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @11:00AM (#44583076)
It’s even worse than that, in the US police have broad latitude to destroy property, kill pets, seize any cash or assets (theoretically related to the crime, but very easy to abuse) and etc. while executing a search, with little to no recourse.
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by dylan604 on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @11:09AM (#44583152)
Not just kill pets, but kill people. Even if they raided the wrong home.
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by TimorousBestie on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @01:03PM (#44584531)
Yeah, it’s true.
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by colechristensen on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @11:18AM (#44583232)
You could sue if they made some major mistakes or were fabricating evidence or some other significant malpractice. It's a pretty high bar.
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by behringer on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:16PM (#44584013)
You can but chances are you'll still lose.
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by ulrikrasmussen on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @01:44PM (#44584975)
I think it's fair to expect that the authorities must have a very good probable cause to perform a search of your home, and that any search that turned out to be unwarranted results in a big compensation and a public announcement stating that the specific police department and judge violated the right to privacy.
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by whycome on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @02:28PM (#44585401)
I'm guessing search should still happen in a way to limit damage (physical, psychological) to other parties (in this case, the kids present).
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by grokgrok on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:06PM (#44583848)
If your downspout is draining onto the sidewalk and turning it into an invisible ice rink...
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by sleepyguy on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @11:24AM (#44583303)
The government has endless resources; you would go bankrupt unless a law firm saw a huge payout in taking your case. The system is rigged in favor of the government. They could have burned down his house and the neighbor's house, and not been responsible. Land of the free, God Bless America......
Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by DFHippie on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @12:30PM (#44584159)
Also, there is almost no deterrent effect. The people who authorized or perpetrated the abuse are not punished if you sue and win a settlement. They don't even have to hire and pay the lawyers. The payment comes out everyone's taxes, perhaps with interest if the government has to pay by issuing debt.

When the police abuse their power, it's the community that pays their salaries that feels the pain.

Re:Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russ... by mulmen on Wednesday July 16, 2025 @01:27PM (#44584799)
This was in Australia but your point stands.