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Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by chris_wot on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:00AM (#43566872)
Not to mention 29% tariffs on Norfolk Island. Who hasn’t exported anything to the U.S. in years.

And a 10% tariff on the Macdonald Islands, which has a population of zero (not including the penguins).

Perhaps Trump thought he was taxing a fast food competitor?

Fun fact: these are all internal territories of Australia. Why they get separate tariffs is weird.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by rob74 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:54AM (#43567274)
According to the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/03/donald-trump...):

> Despite this, according to export data from the World Bank, the US imported US$1.4m (A$2.23m) of products from Heard Island and McDonald Islands in 2022, nearly all of which was “machinery and electrical” imports. It was not immediately clear what those goods were.

In the five years prior, imports from Heard Island and McDonald Islands ranged from US$15,000 (A$24,000) to US$325,000 (A$518,000) per year.

Maybe someone has accidentally uncovered some kind of tax evasion scheme here?

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by matt-p on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:12AM (#43567413)
Bizarre, tax/tariff evasion or "Mistake" does seem like the most likely explanation - yet US$1.4m is too little to bother evading tax on really. I mean that could be a refit on a boat or something -- $1.4Mn is literally nothing.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by chris_wot on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:04AM (#43567849)
Pity the Faulkland Islands, population 3,200 and about a million penguins. They have a 42% tariff.

Are you feeling great again, Americans?

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by codedokode on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:35AM (#43568146)
This is to protect domestic penguin manufacturers. Well thought!
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by matt-p on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:13AM (#43567926)
Yet they also are a British territory and the UK has a 10% tariff. What bonehead came up with that.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by piokoch on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:56AM (#43567782)
Now it is 1.4 mln, in future this could be 1000 more, if this will help with overcoming tariffs. Check what happened with Germany export to Kazakhstan in 2022.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by 4ggr0 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:49AM (#43568267)
> Check what happened with Germany export to Kazakhstan in 2022

Can you elaborate? Tried searching for it, all i found is that Kazakhstan reported 500M exports to Germany, when it was actually 7B. But you were talking about Exports from Germany to Kazakhstan, which I wasn't able to find.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by gostsamo on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:14AM (#43568524)
gp implies that those are goods which ended up in Russia after the EU war sanctions.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by 4ggr0 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @11:32AM (#43571210)
oh, that would make sense, yes. AFAIK Turkey was also used a lot to accidentally ship goods to Russia.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by matt-p on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:03AM (#43567843)
Of course, several of these islands with 10% tarrifs are ex-colonies of various EU countries. Of course any french manufacturer will send goods to the islands (0%) then from there to the US (10%) rather than pay 20%. It's obvious, then the US will notice and the island will go to 20% and so on. It's all completely hateful.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by rob74 on Friday April 04, 2025 @03:27AM (#43579280)
The Guardian has investigated further: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/04/revea...

In the case of Norfolk Island, it was apparently some mislabeled shipments from Timberland (based in New Hampshire, NH <-> NI) and from two companies based in Norfolk, UK.

For Heard & McDonald Islands, it was mislabeled machinery that actually originated in Austria and Germany.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by Symbiote on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:38AM (#43567617)
It could be a clerical error — intending to choose Haiti or Honduras, or maybe Hong Kong, and clicking or typing HM by mistake.

Or maybe OCR is used somewhere and has made the error.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by JKCalhoun on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:32AM (#43568112)
That may be the stupidest explanation I have heard yet.

It must be the correct one then. :-)

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by Symbiote on Friday April 04, 2025 @04:38AM (#43579700)
The Guardian are reporting essentially this, it's clerical errors of some kind:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/apr/04/revea...

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by xrd on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:27AM (#43567530)
I saw a post on X which said it was "vibe tariffing" and I think the person was speculating that the tariffs were probably generated using an LLM and saying "make me a tariff chart with ALL the countries and each one about 25% but randomize them."

That's the only plausible explanation I can see. A human with any brains wouldn't put tariffs on islands only populated by penguins.

Doge should look into this inefficiency.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by matt-p on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:56AM (#43567783)
I think it's basically reciprocal adjusted for trade deficit, with a floor of 10%.

So obviously you'll end up with 10% on all sorts of places where you actually have a trade surplus and no tarrifs on your goods, or, yes, islands inhabited only by penguins.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by lostlogin on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:51AM (#43567734)
But some of those places aren’t even countries. As already stated - weird.

It’s almost like it wasn’t well thought out.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by blacklion on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:59AM (#43567811)
> It’s almost like it wasn’t well thought out.

Joke of the month.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by 4ggr0 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:51AM (#43568287)
Thankfully this is the only thing which this administration hasn't thought out as well as it should have.

Only barely four years left, yaaaay!

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by blacklion on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:59AM (#43567808)
For many countries patter look like ($USA-import - $USA-export)/$USA-import.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by jonasced on Thursday April 03, 2025 @11:29AM (#43571153)
I'm not saying they make sense but according to the US Trade Representative this is the equation used to calculate the tariffs:

https://ustr.gov/issue-areas/reciprocal-tariff-calculations

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by rob74 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:46AM (#43567218)
> these are all internal territories of Australia. Why they get separate tariffs is weird.

Probably because they had separate entries in a "list of countries" which they picked as a base for their list? I don't really think there was more thought put into that, especially not for the countries who "only" got the "baseline" tariff of 10%. Interestingly though, Russia seems to have been completely left out, while Ukraine gets 10%.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by kruador on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:02AM (#43568402)
I've seen a suggestion that they're using ccTLDs.

Which might explain why the British Indian Ocean Territory - population, one US military base - has such a high tariff. The BIOT, aka Diego Garcia, has the ccTLD .io.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by lostmsu on Thursday April 03, 2025 @10:20AM (#43570115)
In that case, where is the tariff rate for USSR (.su)?
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by ourmandave on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:42AM (#43567658)
, while Ukraine gets 10%.

The Orange Emperor has a huge hard on to make Ukraine suffer ever since it led to his first impeachment. Zelenski didn't kiss the ring so down they go.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by matt-p on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:00AM (#43567816)
10% is the hard minimum, nobody has less than 10%, so ergo 10% is actually the most favourable rate.

Even the UK gets 10% which is truly mad given we have balanced trade and tarrifs (if anything the US tariffed the UK more than they did them).

^So essentially MAX(10%,(imports-exports)/imports)

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by rob74 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:07AM (#43567861)
If you look at the full list (available e.g. here https://www.newsweek.com/trump-reciprocal-tariff-chart-20545...), some countries (most prominently Russia) are not on it. Whether that means anything is debatable, but Mexico and Canada, who were explicitly "spared" from these tariffs (but have other tariffs "tailor-made" especially for them), are also not on the list.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by Brybry on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:05AM (#43568448)
Is it possible the Newsweek list is wrong?

The EO and Annexes are not on the Federal Register website yet but on the Whitehouse website it has EO[1] and Annex I[2] and Annex II[3].

I do not see Russia or Ukraine mentioned in any of those so I would assume both get the base "10 percent" under section 2/3.

[1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/regu...

[2] https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Annex-...

[3] https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Annex-...

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by graemep on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:42AM (#43568189)
Russia is already subject to sanctions and high tariffs. What is the balance of trade like?

Also imposing high tariffs now would reduce the power of the threat to raise tarrifs: https://www.ft.com/content/ec99b3c2-9f4d-4f34-9a01-f97d98131...

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by eagleislandsong on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:07AM (#43568459)
> Russia is already subject to sanctions

So is Iran, and yet Iran is still on the list.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by matt-p on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:10AM (#43567895)
Russia is a interesting catch, but you can easily imagine why now is an inoptune time to piss them off.

The others make sense since they have worse tarrifs (though different, yes)

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by marcosdumay on Thursday April 03, 2025 @09:01AM (#43568985)
Well, the reasonable explanation would be that Russia is sanctioned and thus already has an infinity effective tariff.

But then, I have no idea if the reasonable explanation applies. Are the other countries not in the list Iran and Cuba?

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by chris_wot on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:09AM (#43567883)
Then that list is wildly inaccurate. Norfolk Island hasn’t been an external territory of Australia for some time (about a decade) - it is literally part of the Australian Capital Territory and they vote in the electorate of Bean.

The Trump admin couldn’t arrange a pissup in a brewery.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by viraptor on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:59AM (#43568373)
If this made any sense to begin with, then not excluding any region at all would make sense. Why leave some area which would become a theoretical middleman in trade just for purpose of tariff evasion? At least they'd be covered from the simple workarounds.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by michaelhoney on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:05AM (#43567358)
Probably because the tariff table was put together by an ignorant acolyte. They are not serious people.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by asah on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:20AM (#43567990)
This is to stop the practice of shipping things to a place, making a small change, then re-exporting from there to avoid tariffs.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by brookst on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:34AM (#43568130)
Is that commonly done on uninhabited islands? Wouldn’t the shipping cost offset any gains? Where do you even make these small changes if there’s nobody there? And what does the export paperwork look like?
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by addicted on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:05AM (#43568437)
The problem is that the truth, that this was some haphazard nonsense thrown together at the last second using some ChatGPT prompts, is hard to believe, so people try to insert rationality where it doesn’t exist.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by brookst on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:13AM (#43568510)
It probably already exists and I just can’t find it, but there’s some kind of law here about how some actions are so insane that they compel people to invent elaborate explanations to avoid the discomfort of recognizing insanity.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by lostmsu on Thursday April 03, 2025 @10:23AM (#43570139)
Funny thing is the assumption that having ChatGPT run a country is worse than elected politician is not as obvious as you might think.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by mateus1 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:51AM (#43568277)
That doesn’t hold water if you’re talking about uninhabited Antarctica territories.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by benterix on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:32AM (#43567131)
Seems like a business opportunity to set up an import company on the Macdonald Islands and sell the goods to the poor folks in Norfolk Island.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by himinlomax on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:31AM (#43567117)
10% on British Indian Ocean Territories, whose sole inhabitants are US soldiers at the Diego Garcia base.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by dathinab on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:02AM (#43567341)
It's what you get if you let people which don't know what they are doing make decision about things they don't really understand without being open for consulting because they know better using only oversimplified statistics which often don't tell even half the story.

Or at lest it looks a lot like this, honestly from its patterns it looks a lot like the decision making done at a previous employee where someone who was expert in one field got a lot of decision power and decided they now know better in every field and dear anyone says otherwise.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by Ray20 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:27AM (#43567523)
Isn't this just common sense? I mean, if there are no people/production/imports in a certain territory, it doesn't mean that all of this won't appear there literally tomorrow, especially when tariffs on goods from these territories are zero.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by seszett on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:01AM (#43568392)
That doesn't seem likely, because they separately listed parts of France that are wholly in the EU (Martinique, Guadeloupe, Réunion and French Guiana, separate tariffs there are as meaningless as having separate tariffs for Berlin and Munich) but they also did not list those that are NOT part of the EU (EDIT one list I found does list French Polynesia, but not New Caledonia[0]) even though they are the ones where a separate rate would make the "most" sense (if any of this makes sense anyway).

There is trade today between New Caledonia, or French Polynesia, and the US. They are probably going to be tariffed at the rate for France, which is probably going to be the one for the EU, but who knows, neither New Caledonia nor France itself are listed.

It is really apparent that there is no understanding behind this half-assed list.

[0]https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2025/04/02/heres-...

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by brookst on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:37AM (#43568158)
If that’s the thinking, they forgot Antarctica, the Marianas trench, and the Moon. Someone could, theoretically, take advantage of the lack of tariffs.

I’m all for being charitable but at some point Occam’s razor says it’s just ChatGPT mistakenly including these places.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by wkat4242 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @10:21AM (#43570124)
If there are no people there is no government to trade with, no customs, no regulations.

It takes a lot longer to set all of that up than it takes for Trump to just raise another tariff if that happens. So nobody would invest in that. It would only be a loophole for a week or so.

So why bother doing this pre-emptively (even if that was the reason)?

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by ourmandave on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:37AM (#43567608)
It's like they pulled a list "All Countries the US Trades With" off wikipedia used that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_pa...

Same clowns who made blanket cuts to every Federal dept and then had to walk a bunch of them back. There's no nuance or forethought, or realization of the long term damage they're doing.

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by jeltz on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:33AM (#43568121)
Very likely that is literally what they did.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by Symbiote on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:41AM (#43567651)
Strictly speaking it also includes some British military and contract staff from other countries (cleaning, landscaping etc, whatever they need).
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by kragen on Thursday April 03, 2025 @06:14AM (#43567432)
Where is this list posted by the US Government? These countries aren't in Annex I of the Executive Order.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by wkat4242 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @10:25AM (#43570168)
It has British in the name of course. Gotta tariff those leeches. /s
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by re-thc on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:09AM (#43566938)
> Not to mention 29% tariffs on Norfolk Island. Who hasn’t exported anything to the U.S. in years.

Should have set that to 99% then eh?

Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by sidewndr46 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @07:53AM (#43568299)
It's a tariff, it could be infinity percent
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by wvh on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:32AM (#43567126)
Tax the 99% seems pretty accurate.
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by vincnetas on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:32AM (#43567125)
Well, you know, you can go even higher, you don't have to stop at 100% :) Infinity is the limit here ;D
Re:US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China – 20% on EU by rvba on Thursday April 03, 2025 @10:25AM (#43570174)
They knew what they were doing. They created a meme, a dead cat.

Then you waste time discussing the unimportant, "funny" topic, while the big picture is ignored.