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Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by Almondsetat on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:18AM (#43171442)
There was no way those millions of emails were getting analyzed by humans. Even AI, or any other algorithm, has no idea what those people are doing and what their actual roles entail, so what even is the point of this thing except being annoying and causing a scene? If the purpose of the stunt was to simply "check for the pulse" of public servants, why even analyze the replies? Something sketchy is behind this operation.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by xemdetia on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:28AM (#43171533)
As far as I can see it is just strawmanning the federal workforce as a boogeyman. Every federal person I heard of or talked to spent most of the weekend and Monday trying to understand how to respond and what was permitted to disclose. The email looks like a phishing email because it's not from existing org structure. Most fed employees never have interacted with OPM before because that's not how any of this worked. It also doesn't help that the email before this was 'if you respond to this email you resign.'
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by Almondsetat on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:32AM (#43171594)
It's uncanny how that email perfectly mirrors a phishing one

- Request for sensitive information

- Apparently trustworthy but unusual domain

- Manufactured urgency (of the highest level too)

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by philipov on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:04AM (#43171976)
Almost as if it's intentional. As if its purpose is to create a thin excuse to fire people.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by mysterydip on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:38AM (#43171669)
Not only was the previous email "if you respond to this email you resign", but the last email was "if you don't respond to this email, you resign." (at least on ones my friends saw, apparently not all?)
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by archagon on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @02:09PM (#43175981)
Simon says...
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by drawkward on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @04:33PM (#43177736)
Squid Game
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by afpx on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:21AM (#43171473)
It's primarily a test for obedience. Which leaders respond immediately? Keep them, and put them in positions where there are gaps after eliminating the disobedient.

The secondary goal is to test for what the low hanging fruit are for automation. The end-goal is total automation, but you won't see that for a few years.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by benwad on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:27AM (#43172268)
I wonder which will come first - total government automation, AGI or full self-driving?
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by afpx on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:44AM (#43172479)
Heh. Yeah, self-driving has been the laggard which muddles the predictions, right?

The way I see it (and probably mostly wrong), is that you can't fund AGI with capitalism. Progress under capitalism is driven by consumer demand. But, at this point, most consumers already have everything they need. So, you need to fund progress a different way.

But, Gov spends trillions. All you have to do is direct some of that toward AI development and continuously show decreasing spending. And, as AI gets better, you save more, and you redirect more and more into AI. And, continue that cycle.

I'm guessing self-driving is lagging because of social friction. People really like to be in control - enough so that they're willing to risk death (something like 1 in 90 chance of death from driving). Even though automated driving currently is probably safer (and an order of magnitude safer if all vehicles were self-driving).

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by poszlem on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:42AM (#43171732)
It's also something that sounds very appealing to Trump's base who have little understanding of the government's inner workings, but finally have something concrete that they understand they can point to, to show how "useless bureaucracy is".

The Trumpian right is currently exhibiting the same kind of hubris that the previous ruling ideology showed and the same kind of contempt for their fellow countrymen.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by dworkr on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:26AM (#43173104)
Exactly right. Revanchist politics lead to boom/bust debt cycles in government. One party spends way too much and hurts the citizens, the other party uses their mandate to fix the overspending as a pretext to subvert government controls and agencies, and slash and burn in a way that hurts citizens. And 95% of the population blindly, religiously even, suport this and yet don't feel at all responsible for the current state of affairs. "They did it!" seems like the new American ethos.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by llamaimperative on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:37AM (#43173268)
National debt growth rates by President:

* Clinton (D): +31% over 8 years

* Bush (R): +105% over 8 years

* Obama (D): +70% over 8 years

* Trump (R): +40% over 4 years

* Biden (D): +21% over 4 years

Simply untrue to suggest "one party spends way too much" or that the other's "slash and burn" is at all related to strengthening our financial situation.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by dworkr on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @01:59PM (#43175884)
But that's it. I don't think slash and burn is related to debt, least not directly. That was my whole point. It's revanchist escalatory politics on both sides. When more than a few democrats acknowledge the debt and talk about cutting, and when more than a few republicans talk about increasing taxes, we can make progress. Until then we'll get more partisanship and sctivism, which means more games with the budget and thus more volatility and inefficiency in Washington, to the detriment of all federal workers, but to citizens also. The parties and powers that be are the winners. Everyone else loses. Moderate politics and less change is better for most people on average, certainly better for institutional stability, which is the core issue with DOGE's chainsaw approach to belt tightening.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by llamaimperative on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @06:47PM (#43178980)
I don't disagree with most of this except the continued characterization of this as "belt tightening."

It demonstrably has nothing to do with "belt tightening." If it did, the GOP wouldn't need a $4 trillion increase to the debt ceiling.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by dworkr on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @02:10PM (#43186999)
I think most government workers including elected officials in both parties will be biased towards spending and granting themselves more power over time. I think if each party actively damages the other party's cherished institutions and programs (eg by creating policies undermining the defense industrial base, or undermining SNAP) it will require excess spending just to stand still. Each party is stuck rebuilding stuff every 4 years and nothing gets done for either party's agenda, at astronomical expense. Tragic, and obviously unsustainable. In a perfect world, liberals push spending on useful well run programs and conservatives resist foolish spending on fads and over zealous interventions and policy with little impact. We need that balance. We do not have it. As such, those that want to burn it all down will win, unless the left change their ways. (Moderates on the right are and forever will be outgunned by the more intelligent, typically wealthier Milton Friedman types.)
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by llamaimperative on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:02AM (#43171956)
Must’ve just missed the ideology tests and purity purges under the previous admin. Could you link to some evidence?
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by MyOutfitIsVague on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:33AM (#43172337)
Not the previous admin, but the previous "ruling ideology", i.e. illiberal leftist ideology (usually lumped under "woke", "progressive", or "cancel culture"), which was also authoritarian, intolerant, and involved purity tests that increasingly became impossible to pass. They just didn't have a lock-step candidate who won the executive branch.

This whole millennium so far has been a tick-tock of popular illiberal authoritarianism, and this is what it looks like when it wins.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by llamaimperative on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:12AM (#43172887)
Ah yes, the classic equivalent extremism of the blue hairs on Twitter (who hold approximately zero levers of state power) and the actual elected leader of the other party.

One extremist group says insane shit on TikTok, the other runs the FBI. The latter is totally a sensible response to the former.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by MyOutfitIsVague on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @11:22AM (#43173869)
I don't think they are equivalent. Neither is sensible, and the current situation is worse by at least one order of magnitude. I'm just claiming that the popular ideology of only a few years ago was leftist and had a heavily authoritarian slant. Despite the current ridiculous fight against "woke ideology" and "cancel culture", it's not like it didn't actually exist.

And it wasn't just extremist groups saying insane shit on TikTok. People were getting harassed through GitHub, issues were being brigaded, tons of big FOSS projects had some big CoC kerfuffle, then there were the master/slave, git master branch, whitelist/blacklist naming things, demanding renaming of projects, demanding people be fired, etc. Some of these things were reasonable, some were unreasonable, but it's incredibly disingenuous to pretend that it was just "One extremist group says insane shit on TikTok". It was a lot of people effecting a lot of real changes. Notably in FOSS, it was a lot of outsiders coming into a space and telling the people in that space how they were supposed to do their jobs, despite the outsiders not contributing anything other than judgement and not having any stake in it.

I definitely see some parallels, even if they aren't equivalent.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by pjc50 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @11:25AM (#43173914)
> And it wasn't just extremist groups saying insane shit on TikTok. People were getting harassed through GitHub, issues were being brigaded, tons of big FOSS projects had some big CoC kerfuffle, then there were the master/slave, git master branch, whitelist/blacklist naming things, demanding renaming of projects, demanding people be fired, etc

All of these things you've mentioned were done by private citizens, members of the general public, exercising their free speech, not elected representatives or anyone in the government. You've made an argument against Twitter.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by MyOutfitIsVague on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @11:40AM (#43174146)
I know that these were done by private citizens. I think you might believe I'm making a point that I'm not.

My point is these things existed and did have actual power. They had sway in private organizations, and even questioning them was enough in some situations to be fired. The current movement is reactionary, and was, like it or not, fueled by distaste for the previous push. A lot of people like to pretend like this came from nowhere, in reaction to nothing, and that's simply not true. People here are claiming that all of the current administration's claims are bald-faced lies, and that's also not true.

I'm a liberal. I've been complaining about the leftist authoritarian push for years, primarily because it was going to create fuel for a powerful right-wing reactionary movement. I'm pretty surprised by the force and extremity of the current situation, but I'm not at all surprised that it's happening.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by pjc50 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @11:58AM (#43174400)
But these things aren't connected! How is a government department randomly firing federal employees going to stop people asking for codes of conduct to stop sexual harrasment at conferences? Or is the idea simply that by seizing the national microphone, as it were, they're going to take over the discourse? Government as big reality show?
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by MyOutfitIsVague on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @12:54PM (#43175104)
The connection is that the whole culture war is a big part of what got these clowns their votes. I know people who are pretty centrist, wavering on whether to vote for Trump because he'd deal with the "SJW stuff". People who agreed that police brutality against black people was an issue, but were mortified by many of the talking points and activities of BLM protesters (remember when people were taking hostages on college campuses? That was pretty recent).

It was really not long ago when "defund the police" was a contentious issue, and apologists were talking about how "no, they don't mean it literally, it's just to start a conversation", much like how Trump's handlers constantly have to twist his horrible words into something more palatable.

It's not disconnected, it's populism.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by llamaimperative on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @11:46AM (#43174219)
> My point is these things existed and did have actual power. They had sway in private organizations

This is called the marketplace of ideas

Sometimes the marketplace lets stupid things get some sway, and it is up to the marketplace (not the state) to push those aside

> A lot of people like to pretend like this came from nowhere, in reaction to nothing, and that's simply not true

No, I think people are "pretending" like the use of state power is not an appropriate reaction to "overstepping" within the marketplace of ideas, which of course is true. The vast majority of left-leaning people find the blue hairs goofy at best, which is exactly why they do not hold political power. I don't think anyone on the left is "surprised" by what's going on right now, FWIW.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by EGG_CREAM on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:39AM (#43171688)
The point is to make working for the federal government a traumatic experience.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/10/inside-key-maga-l...

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by dworkr on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:39AM (#43173296)
It already is!
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by pmarreck on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:00AM (#43171937)
It’s interesting to me that an email from the new management asking people to justify their jobs that wouldn’t even make the news if it happened in corporate America is somehow newsworthy when it happens in a government bureaucracy, and people are now “shaking in their boots”

Like, I get how this might be terrifying if you’ve been coasting for a while but (disclaimer) as a person who tends to work at startups, I have zero sympathy

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by acdha on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:07AM (#43172010)
That’s because you know the people you work with and trust them (hopefully well placed) to have the same incentives you do.

If you had more experience in large organizations with political dynamics other than the success of your as-of-yet unproven business (things change when people aren’t worried about going out of business if they play hardball with some other part of the organization - most startup people know they can’t afford to shoot holes in the boat), you’d understand the traction: for example, if you worked at a Fortune 500 and some McKinsey consultant sent out an email demanding you explain what you work on, most people would correctly interpret that as “senior management wants to fire as many of you as possible”.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by skeeter2020 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:20AM (#43172173)
You should watch office space, specifically the 2 Bobs. Now replace them with a fraternity bro or an "AI system".

How would you feel if your startup got bought by a new PE firm and they decided if you stayed or went based on "justify your existence in a text message no longer than 200 characters"?

It would be far more humane to do this how corporations do it, which is tell departments "you need to cut by X% - go do it". I've never seen or heard of the new CEO deciding on an individual case-by-case basis, depending on what each person puts into a status update email"

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by pmarreck on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @11:17AM (#43173798)
The "AI system" is not making the hiring and firing decisions.

It is likely being used as a filter to identify possible candidates to look into further.

> How would you feel if your startup got bought by a new PE firm and they decided if you stayed or went based on "justify your existence in a text message no longer than 200 characters"?

Who cares how I feel? I wouldn't feel great about it, but it frankly wouldn't shock me. People make questionable decisions all the time based on poor data. Ironically, I might use an AI to help squeeze my response into 200 characters...

> I've never seen or heard of the new CEO deciding on an individual case-by-case basis, depending on what each person puts into a status update email

I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Jobs pulled something like this at some point, based on the anecdotes about him randomly quizzing employees about what they do

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by acdha on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @12:44PM (#43174988)
> The "AI system" is not making the hiring and firing decisions.

How do you know? Do you think past decisions to halt contracts based on simple keyword searches or fire people only to ask them to come back hours later supports the theory that they’ll just “look further”?

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by mywacaday on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:22AM (#43172194)
An email like that in any organization is unacceptable. It shows complete disrespect for the individual and is a clear demonstration of toxic leadership. You likely work in startups for the opportunity to work on exciting new things, have a high salary with potential for a big pay day which as part of that you accept the stress and the risk. A lot of people work in government jobs for the stability and consistency of the work, as part of that they accept lower pay than the private sector. Their work I would argue is far more valuable to society than any startup and should not be devalued by people who have contributed virtually nothing to society by asking them to justify their jobs.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by pmarreck on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @11:18AM (#43173816)
> A lot of people work in government jobs for the stability and consistency of the work, as part of that they accept lower pay than the private sector.

Speaking as a new dad currently looking for a "lower key" job due to the extreme stress of raising my toddler, I completely get that. I mean, that's the whole stereotype of "government work". But it also smacks of... a lack of initiative.

> devalued by people who have contributed virtually nothing to society

Who exactly are we speaking of, here? The guy who started 3 successful world-changing companies, or...?

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by _DeadFred_ on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @07:44PM (#43179348)
People should be able to live/have a job even if they 'lack initiative'. Not everyone is a silicon valley perfect work unit. And not every job (especially not bureaucratic ones) require that.

> Who exactly are we speaking of, here? The guy who started 3 successful world-changing companies, or...?

The sycophants attracted to the chance to work for the guy who started 3 successful world-changing companies no matter what he's asking them to do.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by meheleventyone on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:11AM (#43172066)
Doing this on the scale of a couple of million people, with incredibly diverse roles is very different to a startup. That said as someone who spent a bunch of time working in companies and startups this isn't a technique any new management has ever thought appropriate in my experience, especially coupled with an ultimatum.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by Gud on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:50AM (#43172553)
I work for an American mega corp, though not in the US.

I like to consider myself a high value employee - my pay check certainly thinks I am.

If whoever was in charge started pulling shit like this, I would quit immediately and start working for the competition.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by kcplate on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:59PM (#43180453)
> If whoever was in charge started pulling shit like this, I would quit immediately and start working for the competition.

You might think twice on that if the mega corp had the legal authority to arrest you and put you to death for going to “work for the competition”

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by llamaimperative on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:06AM (#43171998)
Do you have any examples of this happening in corporate America outside of the Twitter takeover?

I have never heard of this approach. I’ve heard of new management coming in with a strong opinion and firing people, or new management spending some time understanding the situation up close.

Also: Corporations don’t have a mandate to serve the public writ large. A corporation imploding itself through dramatic reinvention every 4 years is perfectly fine. A government doing this type of purge every 4 years is obviously fucking insane, though I assume you’re operating under the assumption that the other side can’t/won’t/shouldn’t conduct ideological purges when they get into power?

Most administrations know there are people with varying levels of ideological commitment to their causes and they accept this friction because relative operational stability is a feature of a democratic government, not a bug.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by TRyanMooney on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:04AM (#43171983)
“New management” is double speak.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by 6510 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:17AM (#43172125)
If you never ask you will end up thinking highly productive employees are the same as those not doing any work at all. It means the productive ones should quit asap.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by MyOutfitIsVague on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:52AM (#43172597)
> an email from the new management asking people to justify their jobs that wouldn’t even make the news if it happened in corporate America

This exact crap made the news repeatedly when Musk was pulling it at Twitter. It was considered heavy-handed, authoritarian, and intentionally traumatizing.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by dfxm12 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:59AM (#43171926)
causing a scene

This is the point. Musk is stealing headlines away from all the ways he and Trump are giving handouts to the private sector and buddying up to other fascist governments around the world.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by throwpoaster on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:08AM (#43172018)
Oh no! I missed this. Got links?
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by MyOutfitIsVague on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:00AM (#43172707)
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by tfigueroa on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:46AM (#43171784)
Now imagine how the administration might deport 20 million “illegal aliens”, as they’ve promised.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by pjc50 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:52AM (#43171852)
"not replying to this email automatically renounces your citizenship and you must leave the United States within 48 hours"
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by dworkr on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @10:41AM (#43173318)
But we'd need a way to email them all. Maybe we could give them all cell phones first.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by _DeadFred_ on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @07:47PM (#43179370)
Necessitating a government contract for Starlink's new sat to phone connectivity you say? Welcome to DOGE!
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by dworkr on Wednesday February 26, 2025 @01:26PM (#43186507)
I chuckled, then cried. Ymmv
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by 6510 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:38AM (#43172398)
Do not pass go.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by jccalhoun on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:01AM (#43171946)
> Something sketchy is behind this operation.

That has been true of everything Trump and Musk have ever done so why would this be any different?

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by lawn on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:35AM (#43171627)
Maybe they really believe that AI can magically solve this problem and they're actually as clueless they seem to be.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by 6510 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:39AM (#43172420)
Elon will have the self driving government on the road in no time.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by howmayiannoyyou on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @08:56AM (#43171901)
Ghost payrolls.

If you don't understand ghost payrolling then you don't understand government. This happens at almost all levels from city to federal to varying degrees. I've seen flagrant more subtle abuses over the years. Try to understand the USGOV is the largest employer in America and unlike the private sector, it's unable to rely on its "board" (Congress) for effective oversight or reform. You're witnessing an attempt at a "turnaround" with all ugliness that comes with it.

Trump, like or hate him, is determined to put a dent in the fiscal nightmare this dysfunction has created for America. Hopefully everyone understands the problem isn't going to be fixed, but if he can achieve a substantive reduction in expense it will either give the next administration momentum to continue rationalizing government, or it could just as well provide cover that "enough/too-much was done" and its time to expand and spend again, into oblivion.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by amarcheschi on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:04AM (#43171979)
I do not get why the turnaround is not done by implementing policies already suggested by existing departments or by funding more agencies that have a net positive return (i guess similar to the irs or the other i can't remember the name).

Furthermore, I would expect statistics to be done before "if you do not answer this you're fired", this just feels like a lazy attempt to say "we're reducing budget expenses" when in reality it's making life and work impossible or very hard for a part of the government workforce. And this attitude is something you don't want because you'll have less motivated workers, less efficient gov agencies, and will have to spend more to obtain the same result as before

I also couldn't find data on ghost payrolls in public sector in us, i'm not american but the only result i get are about discussing the posting of ghost jobs on the side of private companies

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by acdha on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:10AM (#43172049)
There are structures already in place for oversight. If someone is somehow hiding from the management, inspector general, and both internal and external auditors, this email isn’t going to flush them out.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by tempoponet on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:10AM (#43172044)
If debt/deficit reduction was the goal we wouldn't see tax cuts on the rich, gutting the IRS, and teases of $5k rebate checks.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by maguirre on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:05AM (#43171988)
I cannot fathom this is an effective way to turn things around. I was thinking about how somone with a bit of self respect and decent skill set will just find another employer where they can be valued more (the bar is really low now) .

This, to me, seems like an effective way to get rid of effective talent.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by alxlaz on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:12AM (#43172068)
> Ghost payrolls.

Oh, wow, talk about not understanding ghost payrolling.

Providing bullshit filler tasks for ghost employees is ghost payrolling 101. Anyone who actually has ghost payroll "employees" working under them can answer that email with bullshit ten-point bullet lists in a matter of minutes. The farther whoever's evaluating the bullet list from the actual list, the better, because the farther they are, the less likely they are to figure out if the list is bullshit.

Bulk audits are literally what enables ghost payrolling in the first place. The bulkier, the better.

Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by bediger4000 on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:22AM (#43172196)
You don't believe this.
Re:DOGE will use AI to assess the responses of federal workers by ForHackernews on Tuesday February 25, 2025 @09:09AM (#43172034)
The "fiscal nightmare" (your phrasing) is the result of mandatory spending like Medicare, Social Security, interest on the debt, etc. Please educate yourself by understanding where the money actually goes:

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/feder...

https://usafacts.org/articles/this-chart-tells-you-everythin...

Even if you reduced the federal payroll to $0 tomorrow, you'd still be running deficit.