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Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by mquander on Sunday January 19, 2025 @05:51PM (#42762909)
It's possible for people who aren't currently the president to do things.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by ceejayoz on Sunday January 19, 2025 @05:57PM (#42762970)
“Be President while the other guy still is” is not one of them.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by wat10000 on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:07PM (#42763066)
There isn’t enough time for the current President to enforce this. A convincing pledge from the incoming guy that he’ll allow them to continue operating is all it would take. How you get a convincing pledge out of this guy, I have no idea, but apparently they believe it.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by Applejinx on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:37PM (#42763294)
He's also telling them to buy a shitcoin. It's all very well believing he magically saved TikTok, but I think there's a lot that will be real hard to swallow. The cycles between FA and FO are getting really, really quick…
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by deadbabe on Sunday January 19, 2025 @07:17PM (#42763584)
it turns out that sometimes what you find out is that nothing happens after you’ve fucked around.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by wat10000 on Sunday January 19, 2025 @08:11PM (#42763912)
And sometimes it’s the rest of us who get to find out.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by anon7000 on Monday January 20, 2025 @03:44AM (#42766379)
The current president already said he didn’t intend to enforce the ban anyways.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by wat10000 on Monday January 20, 2025 @01:20PM (#42771490)
That doesn’t mean much when he’s about to go.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by ruraljuror on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:36PM (#42763281)
But that is essentially what is happening. There is long-standing convention for the president elect to not step on the sitting president's toes prior to inauguration, but Trump has been bucking that convention this time around. This is just an impossible to ignore example.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by latency-guy2 on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:13PM (#42763119)
TikTok operated in a way that did not need to happen. Biden's administration was explicit in that the enforcement of the ban were to be performed by the Trump administration. Trump signaled that he would sign an EO allowing a 90 day extension to the ban terms on Monday. TikTok are now operating based on this information.

Who is currently in charge of the oval office is an irrelevant quality.

Note that the ban was not really on TikTok, but the ownership. TikTok could be owned by many other parties in the world. It just can't be ByteDance or parent/subsidiary which has ties to China.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by root_axis on Monday January 20, 2025 @01:08AM (#42765473)
> Trump signaled that he would sign an EO allowing a 90 day extension to the ban terms on Monday

How does that work? If congress passed a law banning TikTok how can the president just override it for 3 months? What's to stop him from overriding it for the next 4 years?

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by latency-guy2 on Monday January 20, 2025 @10:08PM (#42776043)
It's outlined in the bill and is explicitly stated.

I've lost interest in this topic unfortunately, but its pretty clear even past all the legalese with the terms defined from what I remember.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by root_axis on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @05:42PM (#42786051)
I read the bill and didn't see it stated anywhere. I'd genuinely appreciate a link or even a copy/paste with the relevant section that I could look up on google.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by tw04 on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:44PM (#42763338)
It’s actually illegal for people who aren’t currently the president to negotiate as if they were.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by afiori on Sunday January 19, 2025 @07:04PM (#42763491)
Declaring your intent to create an executive order the next day is not a negotiation
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by throwawayq3423 on Monday January 20, 2025 @01:21AM (#42765538)
He's bragged several times that he saved TikTok. Trump also said the Israeli peace deal wouldn't have happened with him, which is an admission of breaking the law that states you cannot act as president without being president.

But Trump already knows he is above the law, so none of this matters.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by immibis on Monday January 20, 2025 @05:49AM (#42767302)
Israel already broke the peace deal btw, but as with a lot of Israel news, you'll be unlikely to see that reported on.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by myvoiceismypass on Monday January 20, 2025 @07:52AM (#42768193)
That does not take away the fact that Trump was directly negotiating with Netanyahu before even won reelection.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by throwawayq3423 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @12:35PM (#42782886)
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by GeneralMayhem on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:04PM (#42763048)
Okay, fine, let's play this game.

What did Trump do to get TikTok back online?

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by Maxatar on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:24PM (#42763206)
He agreed to extend to TikTok an executive order that grants it a 90 day extension, as the law explicitly allows the President to do.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by nozzlegear on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:41PM (#42763319)
Doesn't the law explicitly require TikTok to have a convincing deal in place, and to be able to show proof of that to Congress, before such an extension can be granted?

At 17:05 in this video (and I believe discussed once elsewhere but I can't find it/don't want to rewatch it): https://youtu.be/pZkoV5UnPvw

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by palata on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:43PM (#42763330)
> as the law explicitly allows the President to do.

I think this is debated, which is why Apple and Google may not bring back TikTok to the stores... at least that's what I read.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by Karrot_Kream on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:36PM (#42763285)
Trump agreed to use a provision in the bill to offer a one-time 90 day extension on enforcement: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521...
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by GeneralMayhem on Sunday January 19, 2025 @11:48PM (#42765072)
Yeah... there's no such provision. The only mentions of the president in that bill are:

1. In the definition of a "covered company". The bill itself already saus that TikTok is covered; this is only a provision to add other companies to the list.

2. In determining what qualifies as "divestiture" to have the ban lifted. That's described as happening when -

> the President determines, through an interagency process...

"TikTok wrote me a big check and said nice things about me" isn't an interagency process.

Moreover, just in case we've forgotten, *Donald Trump is not currently the president.* He has literally zero power until tomorrow afternoon. He can't grant pardons, he can't lift law enforcement decisions, and he can't write executive orders. The promise of an executive order, even if such an order would be lawful tomorrow (which I can't understand how it would be), is not a legal document that can make something legal today.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by Karrot_Kream on Monday January 20, 2025 @04:20AM (#42766641)
Since you ignored the passage I linked, let me qute it for you and the surrounding context if it helps you learn to read:

(a) Right of action.—A petition for review challenging this Act or any action, finding, or determination under this Act may be filed only in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

(b) Exclusive jurisdiction.—The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit shall have exclusive jurisdiction over any challenge to this Act or any action, finding, or determination under this Act.

(c) Statute of limitations.—A challenge may only be brought—

(1) in the case of a challenge to this Act, not later than 165 days after the date of the enactment of this Act; and

(2) in the case of a challenge to any action, finding, or determination under this Act, not later than 90 days after the date of such action, finding, or determination.

^ That is where the 90 day stipulation came from.

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> Moreover, just in case we've forgotten, *Donald Trump is not currently the president.

Right okay, what does one do with that information? It's common practice for Presidents to collaborate with their successors during the handoff period. Both the Biden and the incoming Trump administrations collaborated on the Gaza ceasefire, as way to help gradually transition power.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by flanked-evergl on Monday January 20, 2025 @04:37AM (#42766793)
Bro is upset about Trump using a clause in a law, but has no problem with Biden and Kahmahlah declaring that something is part of the constitution based on absolutely nothing. Bro … after what Biden and Kahmahlah did, there is no valid criticism that any Democrat can have of Trump. Anything short of abolishing the constitution, as Biden and Kahmahlah tried, is less bad than what Biden and Kahmahlah did.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by myvoiceismypass on Monday January 20, 2025 @07:56AM (#42768224)
Why did you misspell the VP's name 3 times like that? It kinda makes your entire message seem very unserious.

Now, how exactly did the outgoing administration "try to abolish the constitution"?

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by dredmorbius on Wednesday January 22, 2025 @01:23PM (#42795898)
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by sethammons on Monday January 20, 2025 @05:02AM (#42766977)
I missed that one: how did Biden snd Harris try to abolish the constitution?
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by flanked-evergl on Monday January 20, 2025 @06:54AM (#42767742)
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/17/nx-s1-5264378/biden-era-natio...

> Biden says the Equal Rights Amendment is law. What happens next is unclear

> In response to an NPR question about whether the archivist would take any new actions, the National Archives communications staff pointed to a December statement saying that the ERA "cannot be certified as part of the Constitution due to established legal, judicial, and procedural decisions."

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by gnz11 on Monday January 20, 2025 @07:30AM (#42768014)
That has literally nothing to do with attempting to abolish the US Constitution.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by flanked-evergl on Monday January 20, 2025 @08:00AM (#42768249)
If a president can decree amendments, the Constitution means nothing. If you can break the constitution to change it, as Biden attempted, then how do you have a constitution?
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by gnz11 on Monday January 20, 2025 @08:48AM (#42768681)
I’m not sure what to say other than that you have a bizarre interpretation of the article. I mean in no way, shape or form is Biden trying to abolish the US Constitution.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by flanked-evergl on Monday January 20, 2025 @09:45AM (#42769239)
The US Constitution does not allow the president to decree new constitutional amendments.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by sethammons on Monday January 20, 2025 @09:50AM (#42769295)
paste your article into chatgpt and tell it your thoughts. I've very curious if you can convince it you have a valid point. More so, you may come out more educated and everyone wins
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by flanked-evergl on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @03:58AM (#42777878)
https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2025/nr25-004

> “In 2020 and again in 2022, the Office of Legal Counsel of the U.S. Department of Justice affirmed that the ratification deadline established by Congress for the ERA is valid and enforceable. The OLC concluded that extending or removing the deadline requires new action by Congress or the courts. Court decisions at both the District and Circuit levels have affirmed that the ratification deadlines established by Congress for the ERA are valid. Therefore, the Archivist of the United States cannot legally publish the Equal Rights Amendment. As the leaders of the National Archives, we will abide by these legal precedents and support the constitutional framework in which we operate.

Pointing out that Biden, in contradiction the the US constitution, tried to alter the US constitutions. I don't make the facts, they are what they are.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by myvoiceismypass on Monday January 20, 2025 @08:02AM (#42768263)
The ERA was introduced in 1923 and passed by Congress in 1972.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by flanked-evergl on Monday January 20, 2025 @09:45AM (#42769230)
If the ERA was dully ratified, then it would not need Biden to decree it law. If Biden can decree an amendment to the constitution as law, then the constitution has no meaning.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by fmbb on Monday January 20, 2025 @11:26AM (#42770196)
It has been ratified though.

Biden is just pointing that out, no?

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by flanked-evergl on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @03:56AM (#42777868)
No.

https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2025/nr25-004

> “In 2020 and again in 2022, the Office of Legal Counsel of the U.S. Department of Justice affirmed that the ratification deadline established by Congress for the ERA is valid and enforceable. The OLC concluded that extending or removing the deadline requires new action by Congress or the courts. Court decisions at both the District and Circuit levels have affirmed that the ratification deadlines established by Congress for the ERA are valid. Therefore, the Archivist of the United States cannot legally publish the Equal Rights Amendment. As the leaders of the National Archives, we will abide by these legal precedents and support the constitutional framework in which we operate.

Don't post fake news.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by sethammons on Monday January 20, 2025 @05:01AM (#42766970)
> He has literally zero power until tomorrow afternoon

For very weak definitions of power. Zuck didn't wait to bend a knee until the inauguration. Because power.

Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by moralestapia on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:17PM (#42763147)
No idea and we might never know, but, do you think ByteDance would just lie about it?
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by coliveira on Sunday January 19, 2025 @06:13PM (#42763113)
It is very clear that it is Trump doing the negotiations around TikTok. The current administration is at this point powerless.
Re:TikTok says it is restoring service for U.S. users by throwawayq3423 on Monday January 20, 2025 @01:21AM (#42765540)
I don't know but TikTok itself said it was because of him.