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Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by brookst on Saturday December 28, 2024 @06:04PM (#42535643)
Notice is always good and Apple should implement notice.

However, "my data is being sent off my device" is incorrect, as GP explained. Metadata, derived from your data, with noise added to make it irreversible, is being sent off your device. It's the equivalent of sending an MD5 of your password somewhere; you may still object, but it is not factually correct to say your password was transmitted.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by Drew_ on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:00PM (#42536412)
> However, "my data is being sent off my device" is incorrect, as GP explained. Metadata, derived from your data, with noise added to make it irreversible, is being sent off your device.

Sounds like my data is being sent off my device.

> It's the equivalent of sending an MD5 of your password somewhere

Sounds even worse lol

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by thousand_nights on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:54PM (#42536734)
> "my data is being sent off my device" is incorrect

narrator: his data is being sent off his device

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by Klonoar on Sunday December 29, 2024 @01:18PM (#42541705)
It does not sound like that at all.

There is plenty of data on your device that isn’t “your data” simply due to existing on your device.

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by amelius on Saturday December 28, 2024 @06:07PM (#42535666)
> It's the equivalent of sending an MD5 of your password somewhere; you may still object, but it is not factually correct to say your password was transmitted.

Hackers love to have MD5 checksums of passwords. They make it way easier to find the passwords in a brute force attack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by throw0101d on Saturday December 28, 2024 @06:16PM (#42535723)
>> It's the equivalent of […]

> Hackers love to have MD5 checksums of passwords.

Hackers love not understanding analogies. :)

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by robocat on Saturday December 28, 2024 @06:26PM (#42535793)
Hackers love to make defective analogies (especially redundant recursive ones) and invite sarcastic corrections to them.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by icehawk on Saturday December 28, 2024 @07:33PM (#42536251)
Nobody responding seriously to this because you seem to have missed the part where GP said "with noise added to make it irreversible" and the third sentence in that wikipedia article.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by brookst on Sunday December 29, 2024 @12:04AM (#42537666)
Hackers don’t know about salts yet?
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by defrost on Sunday December 29, 2024 @12:09AM (#42537691)
Bath salts yes, security salts, not so much.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by 0points on Saturday December 28, 2024 @06:58PM (#42536047)
> It's the equivalent of sending an MD5 of your password somewhere

a) MD5 is reversible, it just cost GPU time to brute force

b) It is unproven that their implementation is irreversible

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by fragmede on Saturday December 28, 2024 @09:39PM (#42536954)
BFV has been proven to be irreversible, and Apple open sourced their Swift library implementing it, so it's not totally unproven.

https://github.com/apple/swift-homomorphic-encryption

Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by thegrim33 on Saturday December 28, 2024 @08:42PM (#42536657)
Well that's what you're told is happening. As it's all proprietary closed source software that you can't inspect or look at or verify in any manner, you have absolutely zero evidence whether that's what's actually happening or not.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by astrange on Saturday December 28, 2024 @10:02PM (#42537079)
If you can't inspect it that just means you don't know how to use Ghidra/Hopper. ObjC is incredibly easy to decompile and Swift isn't much harder.
Re:Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15 by mvdtnz on Sunday December 29, 2024 @12:25AM (#42537770)
If the information being sent from my advice cannot be derived from anything other than my own data then it is my data. I don't care what pretty dress you put on it.