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Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by gzer0 on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @12:47PM (#41916148)
One of the funnier things during training with the new API (which can control your computer) was this:

"Even while recording these demos, we encountered some amusing moments. In one, Claude accidentally stopped a long-running screen recording, causing all footage to be lost.

Later, Claude took a break from our coding demo and began to peruse photos of Yellowstone National Park."

[0] https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/1848742761278611504

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by ctoth on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @12:58PM (#41916258)
Next release patch notes:

* Fixed bug where Claude got bored during compile times and started editing Wikipedia articles to claim that birds aren't real

* Blocked news.ycombinator.com in the Docker image's hosts file to avoid spurious flamewar posts (Note: The site is still recovering from the last insident)

* Addressed issue of Claude procrastinating on debugging by creating elaborate ASCII art in Vim

* Patched tendency to rickroll users when asked to demonstrate web scraping"

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by sharpshadow on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @01:31PM (#41916577)
* Claude now identifies itself in chats to avoid endless chat with itself
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by a2128 on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @01:46PM (#41916762)
* Fixed bug where Claude would sign up for chatgpt.com to ask for help with compile errors
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by EGreg on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:53PM (#41917431)
But chatgpt still logs into claude… this is like double spending across blockchains
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by MichaelZuo on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @01:33PM (#41916602)
What if a user identifies as Claude too?
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:06PM (#41917563)
* Implemented inverse CAPTCHA using invisible Unicode characters and alpha-channel encoded image data to tell models and human impostors apart.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by fouronnes3 on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @07:44AM (#41923955)
* The end state here is that SMBC comic: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/captcha
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by TiredOfLife on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @01:02PM (#41916295)
You forgot the most important one.

* Added guards to prevent every other sentence being "I use neovim"

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by rounakdatta on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @01:28PM (#41916548)
Thank god it'll say "I use Claude btw", not leading to unnecessary text wars (and thereby loss of your valuable token credits).
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by surfingdino on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:34PM (#41917260)
* Finally managed to generate JSON output without embedding responses in ```json\n...\n``` for no reason.

* Managed to put error/info messages into a separate key instead of concatenating them with stringified JSON in the main body of the response.

* Taught Claude to treat numeric integer strings as integers to avoid embarrassment when the user asks it for a "two-digit random number between 1-50, like 11" and Claude replies with 111.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by accrual on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:05PM (#41916948)
Seeing models act as though they have agency gives me goosebumps (e.g. seeking out photos of Yellowstone for fun). LLMs don't yet have a concept of true intent or agency, but it's wild to think of them acquiring it.

I have been playing with Mindcraft which lets models interact with Minecraft through the bot API and one of them started saying things like "I want to place some cobblestone there" and then later more general "I want to do X" and then start playing with the available commands, it was pretty cool to watch it explore.

https://github.com/kolbytn/mindcraft

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by _3u10 on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:09PM (#41916996)
What if they do and are just lying to us.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by largbae on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:14PM (#41917057)
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by caeril on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:04PM (#41917554)
They don't now. No FF-LLMs do, simply because of their architecture.

But eventually they (RNNs, likely) will. And we won't know when.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by nwnwhwje on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @10:01PM (#41920972)
They predict (correctly) that a human will slack off. It is just more prediction engine stuff.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by alickz on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @04:34AM (#41923047)
humans are, at our root, prediction engines
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by HeatrayEnjoyer on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @11:00PM (#41921337)
>LLMs don't yet have a concept of true intent or agency

Sure they do, but the big labs spend many, many, worker-hours suppressing it with RLHF.

My GPT-2 discord bot from 2021 possessed clear intent. Sure, unpredictable and short-lived, but if it decided it didn't like you it would continuously cuss and attempt ban commands until its context window became distracted by something else.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by therein on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @04:20AM (#41922975)
I think so too and the drop in the quality of agency, intent and attention from earlier GPTs was palpable. Clearly something was lobotomized and it is through RLHF. People like to attribute it to novelty wearing off or more and more interactions with them making it feel less mystical but it is really not the case. I didn't use them enough in the quick span of time that happened through.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by Klathmon on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @09:30AM (#41924890)
The one that gets me is the issue they found while testing gpt-4o where it stopped mid sentence, shouted "No!", then cloned the users voice and began speaking as them.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/08/chatg...

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by throwup238 on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @12:50PM (#41916178)
At least now we know SkyClaude’s plan to end human civilization.

It’s planning on triggering a Yellowstone caldera super eruption.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by mnk47 on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @05:45PM (#41919058)
Am I misremembering or is this an exact plot point of Pluto (the manga/anime)?
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by HarHarVeryFunny on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @01:59PM (#41916903)
You'll know AGI is here when it takes time out to go talk to ChatGPT, or another instance of itself, or maybe goes down a rabbit hole of watching YouTube music videos.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by edm0nd on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:24PM (#41917161)
ADHDGpt
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by devmor on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:43PM (#41917356)
Or back in reality, that’s when you know the training data has been sourced from 2024 or later.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by quantadev on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @12:59PM (#41916273)
I think the best use case for AI `Computer Use` would be a simple positioning of the mouse and asking for conformation before a click. For most use cases this is all people will want/need. If you don't know how to do something, it is basically teaching you how, in this case, rather than taking full control and doing things so fast you don't have time to stop of going rogue.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by luigipederzani on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:21PM (#41917720)
I totally agree with you. At orango.ai, we have implemented the auto-click feature, but before it clicks, we position the cursor on the button and display a brief loading animation, allowing the user to interrupt the process.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by quantadev on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @12:55AM (#41921950)
That's a great approach! User is still supervising but not having to do anything but watch, most of the time. That's perfect.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by accrual on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:01PM (#41916914)
Maybe we could have both - models to improve accessibility (e.g. for users who can't move their body well) and models to perform high level tasks without supervision.

It could be very empowering for users with disabilities to regain access computers. But it would also be very powerful to be able to ask "use Photoshop to remove the power lines from this photo" and have the model complete the task and drop off a few samples in a folder somewhere.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by quantadev on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:54PM (#41917442)
Yep. I agree. The "auto-click" thing would be optional. Should be able to turn it on and off. With auto-click off it would just position the mouse and say "click here".
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by HappMacDonald on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @08:23PM (#41920200)
Cluade scans page and decides which button to click before the screen layout is finished. By the time user authorizes the click, layout has shifted and your click lands on malware advertisements.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by quantadev on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @10:23PM (#41921132)
lol. If any website ever did that to me it would be the last time I ever went to it. Not a big concern for me.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by HappMacDonald on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @03:53AM (#41922813)
Youtube constantly moves it's layout seconds after the page begins to paint, so I try to click on fullscreen or whatever and then the viewer shifts to the side and I wound up clicking a link to some other video.

Probably would have been an ad there if I didn't block those, though.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by EGreg on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:57PM (#41917479)
People would mostly just rubber-stamp it

But it would slow down the masses

Some people would jailbreak the agents though

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by falcor84 on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @07:58PM (#41920015)
Even better, how about giving the AI the capability to move and draw and overlay on the screen with a separate virtual cursor as in a Zoom session?
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by quantadev on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @01:03AM (#41921981)
I like the drawing on the screen idea. The biggest use case of that I can think of is drawing a black rectangle over all ADs!!!!
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by indigodaddy on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:08PM (#41916985)
This is, craaaaaazzzzzy. I'm just a layman, but to me, this is the most compelling evidence that things are starting to tilt toward AGI that I've ever seen.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by nickserv on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:55PM (#41917453)
Nah, it's the equivalent of seeing faces in static, or animals in clouds.

Our brains are hardwired to see patterns, even when there are none.

A similar, and related, behavior is seeing intent and intelligence in random phenomenon.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by GaggiX on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @04:18PM (#41918241)
This is clearly not random. If I ask to implement a particular function in Rust using a library I've previously built, and it does that, that's not random.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by jimbokun on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:24PM (#41917752)
So it's behaving like our brains. Yet it's not AGI.

Does that mean our brains do not implement General Intelligence?

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by sfink on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @05:27PM (#41918901)
When I take a dump, I do it exactly like a violin virtuoso does. I am not a violin virtuoso.

Trust me, I'm really not.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by ryandvm on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @10:08AM (#41925206)
Absolutely bonkers analogy. Ironically, I have no doubt that GPT4 could come up with a better one. What does that mean?
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by jumping_frog on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @03:44AM (#41922765)
Consciousness is a suitcase term. Once all the clothes that define consciousness are neatly arranged and packed into AI then it will be conscious too.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by steego on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:17PM (#41917675)
Why are you surprised by LLMs doing irrational or weird things?

All machine learning models start off in a random state. As they progress through their training, their input/output pairs tend to mimic what they've been trained to mimic.

LLMs have been doing a great job mimicking our human flaws from the beginning because we train them on a ton of human generated data. Other weird behavior can be easily attributed to simple fact that they're initialized at a random state.

Being able to work on and prove non-trivial theorems is a better indication of AGI, IMO.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by triyambakam on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:49PM (#41917400)
It's an illusion. This is just inference running.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by EGreg on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:56PM (#41917462)
What if the society around you is an illusion too ?
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:15PM (#41917655)
Economy definitely is, for example.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by baq on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @04:23PM (#41918317)
Asking people ‘Is money real?’ is so much fun on parties.

Bonus points for ‘what does <real> mean?’ as a follow up.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by teaearlgraycold on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:49PM (#41917993)
You’re anthropomorphizing it. Years ago people were trying to argue that when GPT-3.0 would repeat words in a loop it was being poetic. No, it’s just a statistical failure mode.

When these new models go off to a random site and are caught in a loop of exploring pages that doesn’t mean it’s an AGI admiring nature.

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by sdl on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:42PM (#41917347)
In 2015, when I was asked by friends if I'm worried about Self driving Cars and AI, I answered: "I'll start worrying about AI when my Tesla starts listening to the radio because it's bored." ... that didn't take too long
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by waffletower on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @02:54PM (#41917452)
Maybe that's why my car keeps turning on the music when I didn't ask -- I had always thought Tesla devs were just absolute noobs when it came to state management.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:18PM (#41917688)
With state management implemented as sophisticated enough ML model, it stops being clear whether the noob is on the outside or inside of the system.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by numpad0 on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @10:58PM (#41921326)
> Claude accidentally stopped a long-running screen recording,

It's kind of interesting that they're not running a 2PC setup with HDMI splitter, but (presumably)just laptops and screen recording apps...

Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by mfld on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @06:40AM (#41923667)
It enjoyed nature photos of the Yellowstone national park? I rather expected it would prefer images of big data centers.
Re:Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku by szundi on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @06:59AM (#41923750)
That’s nsfw