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Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by Dr_Birdbrain on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @07:44PM (#40794989)
I wonder if the cleanliness will be maintained over time? Presumably this requires humans to physically clean periodically, and it seems like this would suffer when the company starts to squeeze costs to improve margins.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by CobrastanJorji on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:02PM (#40795117)
I imagine the cars all head to some centralized location for cleaning and whatever other maintenance. That probably makes cleaning a very economic, factory-like procedure. Beats something like Uber where drivers have to bring their cars to a car wash or whatever (although presumably the Uber drivers aren't being paid to wash the cars because they aren't employees, so the unpaid labor there gives Uber an advantage).
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by majormajor on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:34PM (#40795261)
The biggest problem with cleaning is that compared to Uber where there's a human driver, the autonomy factor will almost certainly lead to more people fucking shit up simply because they can. Look at anything else that goes unattended in the public way: ebikes, delivery bot things, scooters... nasty combo of "I want to fuck with The Man" and "haha nobody is here watching I don't need to be as careful with my messy sandwich"
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by meowkit on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:55PM (#40795375)
Thats silly. The cars are private property and full of cameras being monitored by a tech giant.

I’m sure the account agreement is going to require you to to accept being charged egregious bills for damaging or dirty-ing the cabin

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by jfengel on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @09:04PM (#40795421)
It is indeed silly. And yet every taxi driver has plenty of horror stories, and that's with a human sitting there.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by hilbertseries on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @10:24PM (#40795824)
Taxis have basically no recourse if you just ditch. Waymo has a video of you, your full name, your billing address and your credit card on file.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by ModernMech on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @10:43PM (#40795916)
So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by Anotheroneagain on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:22AM (#40796965)
I guess that's why no hotel lets you pay cash.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by gambiting on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:52AM (#40797099)
What? Plenty of hotels let you pay cash. Or is that sarcasm?
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by vkou on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:03AM (#40797157)
They'll accept cash if you fork out a $300 deposit, and the people who are likely to both pay cash and trash a room rarely have that much extra money on hand.

A friend of mine works night audit in a rough part of the valley. As soon as he says the magic words 'we require a major credit card or a $300 deposit', they immediately hang up.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by miki123211 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @07:24AM (#40798718)
This heavily depends on the country, plenty of places in the US and other credit-card-loving countries are credit (and specifically credit, NOT debit) card only for this reason. Plenty of tourists from countries where such cards aren't as popular get bitten by this.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by crazygringo on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @11:38AM (#40801260)
I've never been to a hotel that didn't require a valid credit card as a hold for security when checking in.

Sure you can pay in cash at the end if you want.

But you can't get a room in the first place without a credit card, even if they never charge it.

(I mean I'm sure there are some exceptions somewhere, but generally speaking, no, cash isn't sufficient.)

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by x-complexity on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:03AM (#40797160)
> So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.

The point is when there's damage, it can be billed to the malicious actor in question.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by miki123211 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @07:22AM (#40798709)
Unlike Waymo, hotels can't really bar the bad actors from staying in any hotel ever again.

At some point, the people who tent to leave a mess in Waymos just... won't be allowed to ride in Waymos any more.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by bamboozled on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @10:10AM (#40800277)
At some point, the people who tent to leave a mess in Waymos just... won't be allowed to ride in Waymos any more.

Starting to sound a bit like a credit system or some other dystopian shit show. You do something dumb, drunk while in college and you're cut off...sounds amazing.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by x-complexity on Thursday June 27, 2024 @09:50PM (#40817029)
> At some point, the people who tent to leave a mess in Waymos just... won't be allowed to ride in Waymos any more.

This would reductively mean a more effective form of punishing vandalism, which would in of itself be a slight net good overall.

In the ideal case, there would be a recompense program to pay for the damages made + extra, in return for being able to ride them again.

Meta-point: This discussion has significant overlap with busses/trains/public transportation. How we deal with bad actors in that space would translate well into this space.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by ModernMech on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @09:38AM (#40799910)
No, the point was that billing the damage to the malicious actor in question will prevent damage.

But for some people, a fine is just the cost of doing the thing. And for every bad actor you ban, there's another bad actor willing to take their place.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by immibis on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @11:20PM (#40796093)
Some taxis have that too. Where does it get them?
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by x-complexity on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:02AM (#40797155)
> Some taxis have that too. Where does it get them?

The keyword there being "some". If an account is tied to the person, recourse for negligent/malicious behavior can be applied, but that only works if there's an account to add the penalty to.

On Waymo's part, requiring an account to use the service would be in the benefit of the service as a whole.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by bamboozled on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @10:09AM (#40800266)
Waymo has a video of you, your full name, your billing address and your credit card on file.

The future is awesome

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by dilyevsky on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @10:39PM (#40795897)
1. The cars are not unattended 2. Public transit and the like get rekt because they are cheap and there is no consequences whatsoever. When you get $400 full detail bill like they do for rentals and/or get banned for life (even as a +1 because they have your face) that tends to have a chilling effect
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by TulliusCicero on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @09:16PM (#40795492)
You need an account, probably with a credit card, if you're gonna ride. If you intentionally mess up the car, you'll probably just get banned from the service.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by Rebelgecko on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:37PM (#40795274)
Waymos do have interior cameras, so if you puke in the backseat you can't blame it on the previous rider
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by foota on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:51PM (#40795354)
It's probably a little bit better since a car is a closed environment. That won't save it entirely, but it'll at least mitigate the issue I expect as compared to e.g., a public bus.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by Zenzero on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:58PM (#40795394)
That's my biggest concern too. My fear is in 20 years nobody will be excited to go in these because the interiors will be whittled down to dilapidated NY subway seats.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by aeyes on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @01:46AM (#40796789)
Once these become more common I am sure they'll adapt the interior to be more similar to the subway (plastic seats, no carpet, hard plastic everywhere) instead of having luxury car seats.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by dyauspitr on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:55PM (#40795377)
Every rider’s identity is known. That’s going to play a huge role in how people treat them.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by gumby on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @09:44PM (#40795626)
I think eventually they’ll just make a car (like Zooks is) without all the messy crud (steering wheel etc) and with fixed, waterproof seats and such. It will be designed for automatic cleaned by driving into a depot and being hosed down.

Think of those self-cleaning toilets.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by qingcharles on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:15AM (#40796931)
Right. This is a prototype. You've got a whole empty seat not being used, and a steering wheel sat there baiting someone to play with it. The vehicle was never designed for the purpose for which it is being used.

I totally agree we will start to see very specific driverless designs that are very easy to clean.

Either that, or Johnny Cabs. I'm easy.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by qingcharles on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:23AM (#40796968)
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by dgoldstein0 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:14AM (#40797215)
The nhtsa used to require all vehicles have steering wheels. Looks like that rule changed in March 2022 for autonomous vehicles so we should so start seeing those. I guess it just takes a while for new autonomous vehicles to be designed and built to take advantage of the change in rules.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by gnicholas on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @09:54PM (#40795676)
I wonder if they'd ever offer riders a discount for taking trash out that was left behind by other riders. They could even include a vacuum and give people a couple bucks off for cleaning it out during/after their ride.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by hi_hi on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @11:43PM (#40796184)
Let me introduce you to WayGlo. They pivot to automated car cleaners...
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by Animats on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @12:21AM (#40796354)
> Presumably this requires humans to physically clean periodically.

That's a good robotics project. All the cars are the same. The cars do not have any objects inside that belong to the occupants and should stay. So robotic interior vacuuming could be quite practical, as a station in the car wash. A vision system can inspect for damage and route that car to the maintenance line.