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Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by majormajor on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:34PM (#40795261)
The biggest problem with cleaning is that compared to Uber where there's a human driver, the autonomy factor will almost certainly lead to more people fucking shit up simply because they can. Look at anything else that goes unattended in the public way: ebikes, delivery bot things, scooters... nasty combo of "I want to fuck with The Man" and "haha nobody is here watching I don't need to be as careful with my messy sandwich"
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by meowkit on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:55PM (#40795375)
Thats silly. The cars are private property and full of cameras being monitored by a tech giant.

I’m sure the account agreement is going to require you to to accept being charged egregious bills for damaging or dirty-ing the cabin

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by jfengel on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @09:04PM (#40795421)
It is indeed silly. And yet every taxi driver has plenty of horror stories, and that's with a human sitting there.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by hilbertseries on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @10:24PM (#40795824)
Taxis have basically no recourse if you just ditch. Waymo has a video of you, your full name, your billing address and your credit card on file.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by ModernMech on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @10:43PM (#40795916)
So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by Anotheroneagain on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:22AM (#40796965)
I guess that's why no hotel lets you pay cash.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by gambiting on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:52AM (#40797099)
What? Plenty of hotels let you pay cash. Or is that sarcasm?
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by vkou on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:03AM (#40797157)
They'll accept cash if you fork out a $300 deposit, and the people who are likely to both pay cash and trash a room rarely have that much extra money on hand.

A friend of mine works night audit in a rough part of the valley. As soon as he says the magic words 'we require a major credit card or a $300 deposit', they immediately hang up.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by miki123211 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @07:24AM (#40798718)
This heavily depends on the country, plenty of places in the US and other credit-card-loving countries are credit (and specifically credit, NOT debit) card only for this reason. Plenty of tourists from countries where such cards aren't as popular get bitten by this.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by crazygringo on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @11:38AM (#40801260)
I've never been to a hotel that didn't require a valid credit card as a hold for security when checking in.

Sure you can pay in cash at the end if you want.

But you can't get a room in the first place without a credit card, even if they never charge it.

(I mean I'm sure there are some exceptions somewhere, but generally speaking, no, cash isn't sufficient.)

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by x-complexity on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:03AM (#40797160)
> So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.

The point is when there's damage, it can be billed to the malicious actor in question.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by miki123211 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @07:22AM (#40798709)
Unlike Waymo, hotels can't really bar the bad actors from staying in any hotel ever again.

At some point, the people who tent to leave a mess in Waymos just... won't be allowed to ride in Waymos any more.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by bamboozled on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @10:10AM (#40800277)
At some point, the people who tent to leave a mess in Waymos just... won't be allowed to ride in Waymos any more.

Starting to sound a bit like a credit system or some other dystopian shit show. You do something dumb, drunk while in college and you're cut off...sounds amazing.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by x-complexity on Thursday June 27, 2024 @09:50PM (#40817029)
> At some point, the people who tent to leave a mess in Waymos just... won't be allowed to ride in Waymos any more.

This would reductively mean a more effective form of punishing vandalism, which would in of itself be a slight net good overall.

In the ideal case, there would be a recompense program to pay for the damages made + extra, in return for being able to ride them again.

Meta-point: This discussion has significant overlap with busses/trains/public transportation. How we deal with bad actors in that space would translate well into this space.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by ModernMech on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @09:38AM (#40799910)
No, the point was that billing the damage to the malicious actor in question will prevent damage.

But for some people, a fine is just the cost of doing the thing. And for every bad actor you ban, there's another bad actor willing to take their place.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by immibis on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @11:20PM (#40796093)
Some taxis have that too. Where does it get them?
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by x-complexity on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:02AM (#40797155)
> Some taxis have that too. Where does it get them?

The keyword there being "some". If an account is tied to the person, recourse for negligent/malicious behavior can be applied, but that only works if there's an account to add the penalty to.

On Waymo's part, requiring an account to use the service would be in the benefit of the service as a whole.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by bamboozled on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @10:09AM (#40800266)
Waymo has a video of you, your full name, your billing address and your credit card on file.

The future is awesome

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by dilyevsky on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @10:39PM (#40795897)
1. The cars are not unattended 2. Public transit and the like get rekt because they are cheap and there is no consequences whatsoever. When you get $400 full detail bill like they do for rentals and/or get banned for life (even as a +1 because they have your face) that tends to have a chilling effect
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by TulliusCicero on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @09:16PM (#40795492)
You need an account, probably with a credit card, if you're gonna ride. If you intentionally mess up the car, you'll probably just get banned from the service.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by Rebelgecko on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:37PM (#40795274)
Waymos do have interior cameras, so if you puke in the backseat you can't blame it on the previous rider
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by foota on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:51PM (#40795354)
It's probably a little bit better since a car is a closed environment. That won't save it entirely, but it'll at least mitigate the issue I expect as compared to e.g., a public bus.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by Zenzero on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @08:58PM (#40795394)
That's my biggest concern too. My fear is in 20 years nobody will be excited to go in these because the interiors will be whittled down to dilapidated NY subway seats.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by aeyes on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @01:46AM (#40796789)
Once these become more common I am sure they'll adapt the interior to be more similar to the subway (plastic seats, no carpet, hard plastic everywhere) instead of having luxury car seats.