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Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by ModernMech on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @10:43PM (#40795916)
So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by Anotheroneagain on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:22AM (#40796965)
I guess that's why no hotel lets you pay cash.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by gambiting on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:52AM (#40797099)
What? Plenty of hotels let you pay cash. Or is that sarcasm?
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by vkou on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:03AM (#40797157)
They'll accept cash if you fork out a $300 deposit, and the people who are likely to both pay cash and trash a room rarely have that much extra money on hand.

A friend of mine works night audit in a rough part of the valley. As soon as he says the magic words 'we require a major credit card or a $300 deposit', they immediately hang up.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by miki123211 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @07:24AM (#40798718)
This heavily depends on the country, plenty of places in the US and other credit-card-loving countries are credit (and specifically credit, NOT debit) card only for this reason. Plenty of tourists from countries where such cards aren't as popular get bitten by this.
Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by crazygringo on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @11:38AM (#40801260)
I've never been to a hotel that didn't require a valid credit card as a hold for security when checking in.

Sure you can pay in cash at the end if you want.

But you can't get a room in the first place without a credit card, even if they never charge it.

(I mean I'm sure there are some exceptions somewhere, but generally speaking, no, cash isn't sufficient.)

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by x-complexity on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:03AM (#40797160)
> So do hotels, I guess that’s why no hotel room has ever been trashed.

The point is when there's damage, it can be billed to the malicious actor in question.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by miki123211 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @07:22AM (#40798709)
Unlike Waymo, hotels can't really bar the bad actors from staying in any hotel ever again.

At some point, the people who tent to leave a mess in Waymos just... won't be allowed to ride in Waymos any more.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by bamboozled on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @10:10AM (#40800277)
At some point, the people who tent to leave a mess in Waymos just... won't be allowed to ride in Waymos any more.

Starting to sound a bit like a credit system or some other dystopian shit show. You do something dumb, drunk while in college and you're cut off...sounds amazing.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by x-complexity on Thursday June 27, 2024 @09:50PM (#40817029)
> At some point, the people who tent to leave a mess in Waymos just... won't be allowed to ride in Waymos any more.

This would reductively mean a more effective form of punishing vandalism, which would in of itself be a slight net good overall.

In the ideal case, there would be a recompense program to pay for the damages made + extra, in return for being able to ride them again.

Meta-point: This discussion has significant overlap with busses/trains/public transportation. How we deal with bad actors in that space would translate well into this space.

Re:Waymo One is now open to everyone in San Francisco by ModernMech on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @09:38AM (#40799910)
No, the point was that billing the damage to the malicious actor in question will prevent damage.

But for some people, a fine is just the cost of doing the thing. And for every bad actor you ban, there's another bad actor willing to take their place.