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Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by fhub on Friday June 21, 2024 @05:58PM (#40754280)
> You can choose a soothing music play list in the car and it automatically resumes in the next ride

Oh wow! There is a non zero chance that was implemented because of some feedback I provided as a trusted tester many months ago. I napped my son in them a lot when they were free and just spent my time thinking up things they should do and reporting them in app.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by ssl-3 on Friday June 21, 2024 @06:30PM (#40754535)
Man. My daughter's head would sometimes detach from her body and fly around the room by itself.

Strapping her down in a car seat and taking her for a drive usually rectified the situation.

I look forward to a future where this process can become more automated.

(/s, sorta)

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by unshavedyak on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:40PM (#40754979)
My father said the same for me. To this day, sleeping in the car is the easiest sleep i get. It's so soothing. Which is problematic considering i'm the sole driver for my household hah.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by huppeldepup on Saturday June 22, 2024 @01:06AM (#40756428)
Has anyone ever attempted putting a bed on actuators to emulate a driving vehicle?
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by toast0 on Saturday June 22, 2024 @01:40AM (#40756582)
I swear I've seen a thing for a car seat... But not for an adult.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by gfna on Saturday June 22, 2024 @05:32AM (#40757654)
Ford even did an ad campaign around this concept some years ago https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2017...
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by throwaway7ahgb on Saturday June 22, 2024 @08:49AM (#40758770)
There are many cribs that do this, here is the top of the line: $1000+ : SNOO
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by czl on Saturday June 22, 2024 @03:34PM (#40761540)
Many car seats are removable and have carry handles so it is possible to hang them and have them moving like a pendulum also spinning. For safety use a strong strap (like for a hammock) and hang just an inch or few cm or so above the ground and make sure what it is hanging from can not topple or come crashing down.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by KennyBlanken on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:22PM (#40754869)
It is automated. Has been for many decades. Hit up ebay and search for "swyngomatic." There are ones that are spring-powered and more modern ones use a couple of d-cells (or a wall wart if you're enterprising.)

That and a white noise machine (set it low, their ear canals are very straight so they're sensitive to noise, although babies get used to noise around them given time and sleep through it, which is more practical / useful.

You can also just do what people have done for tens of thousands of years: wrap your kid against your body and go about your business.

Putting your kid in a car (self driving or not) is putting them in the most dangerous situation they could possibly be in - car crashes are the number one cause of death for kids (in the US.)

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by ssl-3 on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:32PM (#40754934)
Yeah. Obviously, as a clearly superior parent, you are very aware that I have never tried any of these kinds of things at any level of depth, and of my own inferiority.

I've learned a lot from your words here and none of it was good.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by willcipriano on Friday June 21, 2024 @09:38PM (#40755475)
> Putting your kid in a car (self driving or not) is putting them in the most dangerous situation they could possibly be in - car crashes are the number one cause of death for kids (in the US.)

It would follow that since no children die each year playing in active volcanos that's the safest thing they could possibly do. Kindergartens should be filled with magma.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by wdh505 on Saturday June 22, 2024 @02:36AM (#40756902)
Serious preventable accidents happen at 60+ MPH. Generally a slow 20-45 mph (35 mph average) drive around the neighborhood is much safer as there are almost no "serious" accidents.

Source: an organization with a fleet installed some driver tracking gps's and looked at the data over a year or two.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by badpun on Saturday June 22, 2024 @07:56AM (#40758384)
Those stats are probably very different for babies, who are more fragile and could get seriously hurt even at lower speeds.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by throwaway7ahgb on Saturday June 22, 2024 @08:50AM (#40758778)
Where are the stats on infant motor deaths where the baby is secured correctly and car speed is <= 40mph?
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by hedora on Saturday June 22, 2024 @10:29AM (#40759381)
Most car seats are improperly installed. If you have one, get its installation checked by a professional.

In the SF Bay Area, you can have CHP check it for free. The full-time job of the officer that checked ours is investigating accidents where kids in car seats died. Almost all the child fatalities around here are due to improper car seat installation.

We had it dangerously wrong. Before the appointment, I read the manual twice and spent something like 60 minutes installing it. The seat used the latch system with a top anchor, it was a new car and we had a top-ranked car seat. All the straps were connected up correctly. During installation, I sat on it with all of my weight, pushed against the ceiling of the car with my back, pulled the tightening strap until it felt like it'd break, and then pulled harder. The straps were still too loose. I'm not small.

Our last car seat had a failure mode where one of the latch straps would just self-release every 1000 miles or so. I'm not sure if it was user error or not. It happened twice.

After that experience, I think part of the certification process for car seats and cars should involve proving that the majority of people that have never installed a car seat (i.e., first time parents) can get it right on the first try without reading the manual. The test group should include people with physical impairments, and should include at least a dozen popular car models going back a decade. (Car certification should be the same, but with multiple car seat models.)

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by throwaway7ahgb on Sunday June 23, 2024 @09:32AM (#40767358)
100% this should be mandatory reading for all new parents.

Since you mention only SF, for anyone else who happens to read this, just go to your local Fire Department. They will 100% either know how to secure it for you or guide you to the correct place.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by smcin on Sunday June 23, 2024 @01:49AM (#40765067)
I found some NHTSA NCSA stats and posted them above.

- "where the baby is secured correctly" => "Restrained", <1 age group and 1-to-3 age group

- car speed is <= 40mph : NHTSA does not separate out accident speed, or separate residential roads from freeways

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by smcin on Sunday June 23, 2024 @01:43AM (#40765058)
Apparently the NHTSA stats aren't different for babies (likely because babies are usually heavily restrained, and probably brought out in a car less e.g. don't need school runs). Below are some US NHTSA publications with detailed answers, but here's a loose paraphrase a) it's dangerous being a nonoccupant in a driveway: nontraffic backover/backing crashes caused ~460 deaths in 2008 (~300 nontraffic + 160 traffic), see [3]. b) reported fatalities per year age of child seem to be roughly constant, i.e. babies do not exhibit a higher rate of traffic deaths (probably because they're typically restrained in carseats). See [1] p5: Table 1. Passenger Vehicle Occupants Involved in Fatal Traffic Crashes, by Survival Status and Age Group, and Restraint Use, 2021. In fact, the peak is for children passengers 13+ or 15+, not babies. c) (These do not report crash speed, or separate freeway accidents from residential roads (posters here asking about "a drive around the neighborhood"), and you'd expect people would drive babies slightly slower.) NHTSA only separately reports nontraffic accidents (e.g. parking lots). Or non-crash deaths such as hyperthermia.

[1] https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... "Traffic Safety Facts, 2021 Data, Children, DOT HS 813-456"

Key Findings • Of the 42,939 traffic fatalities in 2021 in the United States, 1,184 (3%) were children 14 and younger. • An estimated 162,298 children were injured in traffic crashes in 2021, a 17-percent increase from 139,058 in 2020. • Of the 26,325 passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2021 in traffic crashes, 863 (3%) were children. Of these 863 child passenger vehicle occupants killed in traffic crashes, restraint use was known for 769, of whom 308 (40%) were unrestrained. • Of the 1,184 children killed in traffic crashes, an estimated 294 (25%) were killed in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes in 2021.

[2] From NHTSA: NCSA (National Center for Statistics and Analysis) Motor Vehicle Traffic Crash Data Resource Page https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/#/

[3] "DOT HS 811 144, November 2008, FATALITIES AND INJURIES IN MOTOR VEHICLE BACKING CRASHES" https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/...

A backover is a crash which occurs when a driver reverses into and injures or kills a nonoccupant such as a pedestrian or a bicyclist. Backovers can occur either on a public roadway or not on a public roadway, i.e., in a driveway or in a parking lot. The former are called traffic backovers and the latter nontraffic backovers. There are also “other backing crashes” that are not backovers, i.e., they do not involve a pedestrian or other nonoccupant, that occur when, for example, a driver backs into a tree or pole or when a driver backs out of a driveway or parking space and is struck by another vehicle. Together, backover crashes and other backing crashes are referred to as backing crashes."

Look at the table on page iv.: Fatalities and Injuries, by Type of Crash, Type of Vehicle

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by bluejekyll on Saturday June 22, 2024 @02:01AM (#40756693)
Something every new parent should learn (which some parts of car rides mimic), learn about the 4th trimester. Then learn the 5 S’s to mimic the womb:

Swaddle - wrap the baby

Side/stomache - position like the womb

Shush - white noise

Sway/swing - walking or bouncing

Suck - a finger, a sucker, etc

These were a life saver for my son. Most nights it was just swaddle + sway, on bad nights it took all 5. I think the reason cars work for so many baby’s is that car seats, the rhythm, the white noise from the car, etc… these all do the same thing.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by pc86 on Saturday June 22, 2024 @10:40AM (#40759442)
Our first is just out of this period and it really was pretty rough. It look us a month or so to come across the 5 S's and it made a world of difference.

We also somehow got very very lucky in that he didn't need to be transitioned out of the swaddle, he just grew to dislike it so one night we just stopped cold turkey and it was fine. We've had friends that have had to do the one arm in / one arm out, swaddle the legs, etc. and transition over days or weeks to get any sleep at all.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by bluejekyll on Saturday June 22, 2024 @11:51AM (#40759907)
My son always wriggle around until his hands were up next to his face (this is like 11 years ago). I started swaddling him in that position. We had an ultrasound picture that showed his had in a similar position, so I guess it carried over.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by pc86 on Monday June 24, 2024 @10:45AM (#40776676)
Same, almost all his US pictures show him with hands next to his face and he sleeps like that most of the time now too.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by _zoltan_ on Saturday June 22, 2024 @03:02PM (#40761282)
I disagree about giving them anything to suck on for the night. IIRC there's even research that could lead to late speech or trouble with speech later on.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by sheepscreek on Saturday June 22, 2024 @08:34AM (#40758674)
> Man. My daughter's head would sometimes detach from her body and fly around the room by itself.

Is this satire, or am I missing something (going by the serious replies)? Not sure I would ever use this phrasing to describe anything serious - much less about my own child.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by throwaway7ahgb on Saturday June 22, 2024 @08:47AM (#40758758)
Search "Why is my baby crying bloody murder" aka witching hour.

If you've never experienced this, you are very lucky.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by sheepscreek on Saturday June 22, 2024 @01:34PM (#40760670)
Ah, thanks - So satire it is. Thank goodness my kid didn’t scream like that as a baby. Although we’ve had our own share of unusual challenges - she was/is a loud crier and could go on for 20-40 mins in the middle of the night. Not murder screams but still loud enough that my Apple Watch would warn me of prolonged exposure to loud noise :-/
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by ssl-3 on Monday June 24, 2024 @04:12AM (#40773581)
I mean: That part was of course satire. It's not like her head literally detached and flew around the room by itself: She was a real, human little kid (and a pretty awesome one at that), not something from some horror film full of practical effects and CGI, with disembodied heads flying around and screaming tirelessly like their very essence is being destroyed.

But it sure did feel like that was happening every now and then, despite our very best efforts and resources. And sometimes, something like a trip to the store ("HEY, DO WE NEED MORE EGGS AND MILK FOR TOMORROW?" "YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK WE DO NEED MORE EGGS AND MILK FOR TOMORROW!" "OK! LET'S TAKE THE KID AND GO TO THE STORE!") was the the only thing that allowed for a return of sanity for anyone involved.

It was not the first option. We always employed all positive options first and had good support for finding new methods; we really did do pretty-OK at that time as non-robotic human parents, I think.

Going for a short drive was the last option before "Let her scream. It's hard work to make that much noise and she'll tire out eventually, and fall asleep [0]" would come into play after everything else has already failed.

[0]: We once got this advice from her doctor as a last-resort option. And maybe that was good advice or maybe that was terrible advice, but it was absolutely untenable advice for us when we were living in a stick-framed apartment building: Letting a kid scream like that for a prolonged period with a multiplicity of neighbors on the other sides of the walls is an easy road towards getting the police, CPS, and/or building management involved through no particular fault or misdeed of our own. And as a practical matter, when third parties become involved like that, now there are at least two problems (at least one of which is now an ongoing major problem) instead of just one relatively minor problem of a clearly-tired little human who chooses to scream instead of sleep.

I'm very glad that you never had the opportunity to experience this kind of thing. It's awful, and if it were easy to resolve I wouldn't have any of this to write about.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by thepasswordis on Friday June 21, 2024 @08:30PM (#40755209)
It’s been that way for several years.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by fhub on Friday June 21, 2024 @10:07PM (#40755596)
Happy to be corrected. Zero chance it was implemented due to my feedback.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by throwaway8481 on Saturday June 22, 2024 @04:15AM (#40757358)
I believe in you.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by tialaramex on Saturday June 22, 2024 @04:15AM (#40757357)
This also just makes sense when you conceive these taxis not as "Some other person's car" (as they would be with Uber, or with a conventional private hire service) but as interchangeable units. Of course they should all share state and so it makes sense that resuming the music carries on from where it left off.
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by nazka on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @08:57PM (#40806256)
Ya I think it does. But tell that to any C level after sometime a company grow… They will look at you wondering which weird idea you talking about.

Maybe it’s the Silicon Valley but it’s cool they still care about details like this.

Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by thebruce87m on Saturday June 22, 2024 @08:32AM (#40758649)
Several years is many months
Re:Self-driving Waymos secure final clearance for expansion ... by jliptzin on Saturday June 22, 2024 @10:00AM (#40759220)
You should patent the idea, and then sue anyone who independently comes up with it.