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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by pantalaimon on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:26AM (#40644209)
There was a case recently where a little girl was crushed by a SUV making a right turn at a pedestrian crossing.

She was walking right behind her parents, but the driver could not see her because the vehicle was too high, so thought the road was free when the parents had passed through.

The court decided that the driver was at no fault as it was impossible to see the girl from his position.

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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by krisoft on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:35AM (#40644260)
> The court decided that the driver was at no fault as it was impossible to see the girl from his position.

I hope that means that the vehicle manufacturer is on a murder trial then. But I do not have illusions that this will lead to actual change.

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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by eru on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:47AM (#40644344)
Well, the driver should also be on the hook for driving such a dangerous machine in the first place.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by throwup238 on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @08:00AM (#40645201)
Anyone who kills a child like that is going to be facing an inevitable wrongful death lawsuit.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by bhickey on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @06:26AM (#40644559)
The manufacturer should be jointly liable for producing a defective vehicle.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by erikw on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:20AM (#40645874)
I don't think you can legally sell a new small vehicle in the US, so the root cause is legislation that prevents this. I believe that if you could legally produce kei sized vehicles in the US, there would be a massive market for it, especially in urban environments. And I'm sure US manufacturers would be happy to sell them to all comers.

Edit: Basically any car from Suzuki would be a hit in the US: https://www.suzukiauto.co.za/new-cars

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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by scruple on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @10:56AM (#40646910)
I don't really agree anymore. These massive vehicles on the road means that suddenly everyone has developed a very real intuition for F=ma and they're all competing in a sort of arms race to survive car crashes. Wanna improve your odds of surviving? Get the biggest fucking thing you can.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by hellojesus on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:01PM (#40651420)
This was actually my father's arguement when I turned 16. He hypothesized that I was a new driver and therefore more likely to be involved in a crash, but if I wanted to survive a crash I needed a larger vehicle than the other one involved in the collision.

I didn't much care either way, but I do still consider this when comparing new vehicles.

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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by eru on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @04:13AM (#40655741)
Better to kill than be killed?
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by hellojesus on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @11:10AM (#40658995)
Yes. Typically. Unless you have some compelling reason to sacrifice, it's typically a safer bet to be alive having killed some other random driver than be dead. Especially when the perspective is a parent ensuring their genetic pool.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by umvi on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @10:33AM (#40646628)
I thought it was just that you get hit with fines if your vehicle doesn't have a minimum mpg fuel efficiency and it's hard to make smaller trucks and SUVs with enough efficiency to avoid the fines
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by hellojesus on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @05:02PM (#40651432)
The issue was the Chicken Tax which made foreign competition uncompetitive and boxed the market off so that American companies could ignore it.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by eru on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @04:14AM (#40655751)
SUVs get a special carve-out, and the law mandates less fuel efficiency for them than for regular cars (or what used to be regular cars). Even wonder why station wagons fell out of favour in the US?
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by SkyPuncher on Thursday June 13, 2024 @08:05AM (#40668616)
Given that most small crossovers are labeled as “wagons”, I don’t think your theory holds much weight
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by woleium on Saturday June 15, 2024 @03:53PM (#40692275)
not so much gets, they were designed specifically to exploit a loophole
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by Amezarak on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @10:13AM (#40646390)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Fortwo

They are perfectly legal to sell. There's just little demand and most manufacturers have discontinued sales.

I own a not-quite-that small car and the manufacturer discontinued US sales for the same reason - the lack thereof. That's why the Smart Fortwo discontinued sales in the US in 2019. The US market for good or for bad just does not want small cars. Many manufacturers are even dropping their sedans for sales reasons; e.g., Ford dropped the Fusion and Focus.

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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by hiatus on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:23AM (#40645903)
> I don't think you can legally sell a new small vehicle in the US

This is blatantly false. See: the Mitsubishi Mirage as just one example.

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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by eru on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:38AM (#40646046)
The Mitsubishi Mirage might be a small car by American standards, but it seems quite a few weight classes above Kei cars.

(I don't know about erikw's claims about small cars being illegal in the US. So I don't want to express an opinion on that.)

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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by hiatus on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @10:47AM (#40646798)
The Honda N-box is listed as an example of a Kei car and is larger than a Mirage in some dimensions and also heavier.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by eru on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @04:14AM (#40655753)
Thanks!
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by anovikov on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @10:24AM (#40646507)
Mitsubishi Mirage isn't a small car by EU standards. It's a typical, average sized one.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by Levitz on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @12:25PM (#40648191)
Are small cars in any way illegal or something?
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by erikw on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @02:42PM (#40649893)
Yes, regulation in the US requires that vehicles be able to protect their occupants in pretty extreme crashes. Part of that requires a crumple zone, which means you can't fit many people inside a small car. For example, the Smart Fortwo is small, but only sits two people, while a kei vehicle of the same size would seat 4-5. I don't see much of a market for a 2-seater car.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by ndmiata on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @01:07PM (#40648816)
The Mazda Miata and most non-muscle car coupes are sized quite reasonably.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by badpun on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @03:05PM (#40650159)
The vehicle was cleared for use on public roads by authorities. Perhaps the laws should change so that such cars are no longer allowed.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by CalRobert on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @07:33AM (#40645007)
Similarly I enjoy going hunting at playgrounds and don't see the problem if I shoot a kid because I didn't see them \s.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by aswanson on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @08:54AM (#40645672)
https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo?si=2VnfQw_rMsZckB1I
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by monkeyfun on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @10:44AM (#40646749)
Can you link to an article or source on that story? I can't seem to find it, just irrelevant ones about near-misses or not involving right turns etc.
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by pantalaimon on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @02:53PM (#40650028)
https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/mainz/ermittlu...
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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by GJim on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @11:01AM (#40646991)
> driver was at no fault as it was impossible to see the girl from his position

WTF !

Pedestrian mirrors (allowing lorry drivers to see any pedestrians immediately in front and to the side) have been a legal requirement for years in Blighty.

https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/images/safer-lorries-schem...

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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by Grimblewald on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @02:31AM (#40655192)
but they banned that type of car for being unsafe right?.... right?
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