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Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by gherkinnn on Friday February 23, 2024 @02:44AM (#39477954)
Vending machines covered by a large screen stand for everything I hate about contemporary tech.

They improve absolutely nothing from a buyer's perspective. Every step of the transaction is made worse. You can't glance at the entire inventory. You never know how much of an item is left. The machine does not reliably know how much of an item is left. Every interaction lags. And in return I get ads and mini games. Just so some C-suite cretin (guess what the C in C*O stands for) can show his little cretin friends how innovative his farts are.

It is late. I am hungry. My train departs in 2 minutes. Please, I just want a bloody Snickers.

These companies are a blight.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by alwa on Friday February 23, 2024 @04:27AM (#39478624)
Did you ever have the pleasure of encountering the US drugstore that replaced the entire set of doors of its entire refrigerated section with hulking, bright, animated, human-height-and-ultra-heavy TV screens?

[0] https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/12/business/walgreens-freezer-sc...

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by gherkinnn on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:06AM (#39479206)
The amount of effort that goes in to syncing up the contents of the fridge with what it is on the screen must be staggering. And not for a moment do I believe it reliably detects empty stock or the placement of the contents. Not to mention dealing with the extra heat it gives off.

Countless hours wasted and it is still worse than a glass panel in every way.

Not unlike orchestrating a dozen microservices and three Dooms worth of code to render a simple form to the three users a typical application has.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by southernplaces7 on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:12AM (#39478919)
To Avakian, it’s simply an expected growing pain. Cooler Screens plans to educate customers about the digital displays and launch features like voice recognition, so shoppers can ask about prices or item locations.

“This is the future of retail and shopping,” Avakian said.

If this is our future of "education", these parasitic, data grubbing companies can fuck right off along with any larger company that supports them.

Nothing whatsoever about this in the least bit improves the time you spend grabbing something from a cooler. It's blatant enshitification of a very basic buying task that need not involve any further interface, and it so obviously does nothing but try to squeeze more money from said basic interaction for nobody's benefit except Walgreens, the companies paying for their grubby little digital visuals, and the scum-loaded company that's selling this garbage to them.

I can almost imagine a future in which even the tissue of toilet paper comes covered in "engagement" ad visuals impregnated into its material through some sort of micro-display technology. At last in that case it would get exactly the engagement it most deserves and afterwards go where it really belongs.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by ramenbytes on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:11AM (#39478918)
Yes, though at the time I believe it was static (no ads) so I was just left wondering why they felt the need to put up a TV screen showing what I'd see through the glass. It may have obscured whether something was in stock, but I forget.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by pyrale on Friday February 23, 2024 @07:35AM (#39479784)
The CEO at the end of the video talking about "educating" the consumers about the benefits of this new system really drives the point home that a large part of current tech is made and paid for by douchebags.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by stavros on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:09AM (#39478898)
Not to mention the genius of putting a heat generator right in front of the fridge.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by jowea on Friday February 23, 2024 @07:07AM (#39479573)
I wonder if people opening it to look for something that is out of stock has a large effect.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by itronitron on Friday February 23, 2024 @12:15PM (#39483356)
No measurable effects were observed on the items not in stock.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by mikeyouse on Friday February 23, 2024 @11:15AM (#39482483)
It turns out that whole thing was a grift where the former CEO left and founded the startup and then “sold” the Cooler Screens to his friends back at Walgreens. The new CEO came in and realized how dumb and expensive the screens were, killed the deal and is now being sued by the grifter.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by MarkSweep on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:29PM (#39486972)
A little bit of an aside, but the absolute gol CNN website is impressive:

> We apologize, but your web browser is configured in such a way that it is preventing this site from implementing required components that protect your privacy and allow you to view and change your privacy settings. This functionality is required for privacy legislation in your region.

> We recommend you use a different browser or disable the “EasyList Cookie” filter from your “Content Filtering” settings (found under “Settings” -> “Shields” in the Brave Browser).

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by sschueller on Saturday February 24, 2024 @04:23AM (#39490302)
I would argue that is worse than open refrigerators as you now have to also cool the heat producing TVs.

We spent all this money to replace inefficient open refrigerators with glass door ones just to undo it for advertising...

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by callahad on Friday February 23, 2024 @04:04AM (#39478483)
> They improve absolutely nothing from a buyer's perspective.

It's the "good ads" argument -- this machine can guess your age/gender and offer up items most purchased by your demographic, all the while feeding that data back to the vendor. Who wouldn't love that? :-/

More seriously, this has been a standard capability in vending machines, fast food menu systems, and digital signage in general for over a decade. Check out this ad from 2012 for Intel's AIM Suite for an example of how this stuff is pitched: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KdMIp2vQjG8

"Is the viewer a teenage girl? Then change to content to highlight a back-to-school shoe sale a few doors down. Is it a senior male? Then why not tell him about the golf club sale at the sporting goods store?"

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by dataviz1000 on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:27AM (#39479006)
The technique in restaurants is to track the number of items sold, add innovative special dishes every day or week, and at the end of every week or month, remove the worst selling items on the menu and replace it with one of the special dishes. This over time creates demand. Vending machines can do the same. Remove the worst selling item and replace it with anything. After a time, the vending machine will only sell items with demand for that location.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by Freak_NL on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:00AM (#39479171)
And this requires absolutely zero screens, cameras, or demographic data collection of any kind. Just track the inventory. This isn't new; I would be extremely surprised if Japanese vending machines didn't do just that for decades already.

But those cameras aren't there because of the vending machine. That is just a convenient platform. This is about ads, and tracking, and data brokering. We had digital ad screens placed on the platforms at train stations in the Netherlands with a camera hole a few years ago, and the advertising company swore that those cameras would not be activated, for now, until the legal side was resolved, or until they could get away with it without anyone noticing.

It feels icky.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by Loughla on Friday February 23, 2024 @09:05AM (#39480687)
While I agree with you, the benefit is that it's automatic. That's the difference. It doesn't require anyone to count and track anything. It doesn't require thought or planning. It just happens. It doesn't require money spent on people to keep track of.

Whereas classic vending machine inventory systems requires an human person to track the re-fills or sales.

A happy medium would be no stupid cameras, but with electronic tracking and reporting of what is sold. That has to be a thing that can be done, right?

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by dylan604 on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:08AM (#39481449)
> the benefit is that it's automatic

I wouldn't trust this automatic data for shit. When's the last time you used a vending machine that did not have any problems? The classic meme of people beating on a machine because something got stuck. How is that inventory managed? Does the inventory decrement every time someone pushes buttons to vend an item? Is it tracked by weight? Who enters the weight?

This seems like a system ripe for abuse by the manufacture on needing maintenance like the McDonald's soft server machine.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by justsomehnguy on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:06AM (#39481409)
> Whereas classic vending machine inventory systems requires an human person to track the re-fills or sales.

Sorry?

You order by the # of the item.

This is recorded in NVRAM/sent to cloud nowadays.

There is absolutely no need to involve any human being in the process of tracking sales.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by pc86 on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:46PM (#39487121)
Your happy medium is what happens today in normal vending machines without cameras or giant screens. The normal boring glass-front ones that barely take credit cards.

The guy with a clipboard counting how many Diet Coke cans are missing hasn't been the way these things are managed since probably 2003.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by JohnFen on Monday February 26, 2024 @01:45PM (#39515227)
> That has to be a thing that can be done, right?

That's exactly how the vending machines at my workplace operate. No screens or weird tracking (as long as you avoid the stupid "pay on your phone with our app" option). The machine knows exactly how many of what items it has dispensed and when without any of that nonsense.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by mt360 on Thursday February 29, 2024 @04:04AM (#39547676)
Unfortunately they're popping up in Japan too, I just walked past this one https://ibb.co/27nh6gZ
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by exe34 on Friday February 23, 2024 @05:47PM (#39487125)
My experience is the opposite - vending machines tend to run out of the really popular stuff and they just don't replace it until most of the crap stuff is gone.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by everdrive on Friday February 23, 2024 @10:26AM (#39481707)
The "good ads" people need a "hammer to the face."
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by i_am_jl on Sunday February 25, 2024 @09:45AM (#39501191)
I'm okay with that flavor of "good ads".

I'm fine with a machine taking my observable physical characteristics and using that to select ads for me. I'm also fine with ads that are not so much targeted as self-selected.

It's the use of non-observable, non-public info to build and reference an advertising profile where I start to object. It's creepy, and the ads are somehow less relevant.

Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by euroderf on Friday February 23, 2024 @06:28AM (#39479338)
Welcome to an outer ring of hell. Brought to you by... Moore Slaw.
Re:Facial recognition error message on vending machine spark... by hn_user82179 on Saturday February 24, 2024 @05:10AM (#39490485)
The one upside I would offer is that with some of them, you can "click" the item to view nutritional facts and ingredients. That's invaluable to me personally, as frequently I want the "least sugary" option available in the machine.