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Re:The Apple Vision Pro by peteforde on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:18AM (#39275095)
This article addresses the MacOS vs visionOS thing, but doesn't go hard enough. It is incredibly frustrating that Apple seems determined to serve this up as kid gloves experience vs a general purpose computing device with direct access to a real file system and ultimately a shell prompt. I am not in love with how Meta has locked down the Quest but at least there is a thriving sideload app ecosystem.

That is, at least there is a way to load up the media player of your choice and watch porn.

Look, I get that corporate America is strangled by puritan values from the payment processing networks on up, but it is arrogant and willful ignorance to pretend that adult content consumption is not a major part of the VR/MR story.

You want to know what the people who actually use VR the most do with their headsets most of the time? VRChat and SexLikeReal, which is the PornHub of VR if you don't know.

Steve Jobs was a dude who loved to talk about doing LSD but in his later years, he became awkwardly fixated on preventing people from using Apple devices for the stuff most real people do.

He's been gone a long time. It'll be a shame if their vision for spatial blah blah is sanitized and safe for work, even after dark.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by revscat on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:27AM (#39275247)
> Look, I get that corporate America is strangled by puritan values from the payment processing networks on up, but it is arrogant and willful ignorance to pretend that adult content consumption is not a major part of the VR/MR story.

I’m glad to see this sentiment expressed here. I have grown increasingly frustrated with this very thing over the past few years. Anything which even approaches, erotic or titillating is immediately suppressed, censored, and pretended like it never existed in the first place. Apple is one of the worst here, but far away not the only one. All of the AI companies are exactly the same: try and generate an image of a woman and a bathing suit with DALL-E and you will inevitably fail.

Instead, they pretend over and over that these are simply productivity devices, meant to enhance our capabilities as workers or consumers of Disney-level entertainment.

I am a human being, who occasionally gets horny. I masturbate. This is not something that corporate America recognizes, and in fact, seems eager to censor and suppress.

A world curated by conservative HR departments is not one that is particularly appealing to me, and the Vision Pro seems like it is the month of this attitude.

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Re:The Apple Vision Pro by peteforde on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @01:35PM (#39278456)
Just be careful not to fall into the trap of equating "being served" with "being able to access".

One is sinister and gives pearl clutchers new talking points. The other describes what should be a basic aspect of owning a computer.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by thih9 on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:37PM (#39281015)
Agreed - this is what the second paragraph of my comment is about.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by stevofolife on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @02:33PM (#39279341)
> This is not something that corporate America recognizes, and in fact, seems eager to censor and suppress.

Numerous American companies recognize this and are developing services and products tailored to your needs. The comment just above yours highlighted some of these companies.

However, Apple may not be the best-suited company to take action in this regard.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by revscat on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @06:04PM (#39282114)
Why not? They are —- rightfully —- pro-LGBT+. Apple: “It’s ok to be gay, just not horny.”

How is that not a dichotomy, and (possibly) hypocritical?

We as a culture have a weird relationship with horny, and it’s mostly a negative one. Sexuality is fine. Horny is not.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by vjulian on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @11:55PM (#39284647)
And don’t forget, if it’s titillating, then it cannot be art.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by astrange on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:35PM (#39280193)
I don't think this is an issue for the users of this website because as far as I can tell their idea of porn is tiling window managers.

But I also don't know why you think the Vision Pro can't play videos or go to websites. It can do that stuff.

(Actually, I'm informed by a VR porn enthusiast that it doesn't support some stereo video formats. I guess you have to stick to 2D.)

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by dkonofalski on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @05:24PM (#39281637)
Your VR enthusiast is wrong. The issue he's describing was because of the two video players that launched in the App Store. There are video players for the AVP that can play stereoscopic video without issue.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by PaulHoule on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @05:45PM (#39281901)
See https://www.404media.co/a-3-500-chastity-belt-early-apple-vi... though I know you can put pano videos in WebXR and that might bypass it. (In fact, if you have WebXR, the only people who need the app store are those who never "think different")
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by dkonofalski on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @06:13PM (#39282207)
Yeah. They're wrong. I've been playing 3D SBS videos from my collection since I got the AVP.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by PaulHoule on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @05:44PM (#39281896)
See https://www.404media.co/a-3-500-chastity-belt-early-apple-vi... though I know you can put pano videos in WebXR and that might bypass it.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by nkohari on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:54PM (#39280449)
> All of the AI companies are exactly the same: try and generate an image of a woman and a bathing suit with DALL-E and you will inevitably fail.

I think this is largely driven by the concern that the model could be used to (whether intentionally or inadvertently) generate an image of a person who looks underage. That's a gray area of law (not to mention morality) that people are very hesitant to test, so it's better to just block porn entirely.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by PaulHoule on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @05:43PM (#39281876)
I see ads for a program that draws pictures of women in sexual situations but boy when penises get involved it turns into nightmare fuel (disembodied, decapitated, bifurcated, pointing in the wrong direction) which makes me glad I don't have castration anxiety.

The really obvious MR sex app is one that overwrites your partner with somebody else like Strea or Bremington. Not sure if most partners would like that. You might get something that feels like motion sickness if there is too much of a difference in breast size.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by rootusrootus on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:30AM (#39275291)
Even on the iPhone it’s one of my regular frustrations that Apple’s autocorrect tries hard to keep me from using profanity. There are some ways to mitigate that but it’s tedious and annoying to have to do so.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by brk on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:35AM (#39275397)
That shot is a ducking annoyance!
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by bousenta on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @11:33AM (#39276426)
This was fixed in one of the recent iOS versions. Works consistently for me without any text replacements.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by jahnu on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @12:08PM (#39277024)
True, but since then Ill continue to be frustrated that it cant do apostrophes automatically. It used to!
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by rootusrootus on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @01:56PM (#39278798)
I'll have to look into that. It still won't let me use the F word, for example. It'll give me pretty much any other possible word as an alternative, no matter how hard I try. But this may be because I do most of my regular typing by swiping. I see that I can type in 'fuck' manually and it won't try to replace it.

I'm right at the edge of turning off autocorrect altogether, just because it has a habit of changing previous words, not just the one I'm typing. If I only ever talked with very generic English this might be okay, but when I'm using subject matter lingo it fails utterly and becomes a tremendous nuisance to try and convince it to leave that text alone. Sometimes even deleting the correction and re-typing what you want doesn't stop the behavior.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by computershit on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:54AM (#39275731)
Same. I have text replacement rules in iOS for pretty much every expletive.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by michaelt on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @12:27PM (#39277400)
> it is arrogant and willful ignorance to pretend that adult content consumption is not a major part of the VR/MR story.

Wilful ignorance - or sensible marketing?

Apple's ability to get celebrities and subway riders using their product in public depends on completely denying that it's a $3500 masturbation aid.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by peteforde on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @01:33PM (#39278411)
It's just such an intellectually weak argument coming from a company that sells general purpose computing devices.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by beeboobaa on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:26PM (#39280067)
Apple doesn't sell general purpose computing devices anymore
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by canucker2016 on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:09PM (#39280632)
Steve Jobs envisioned the Apple Macintosh as a personal appliance - locked down, no expandability. But with only 128KB or even 512KB, the computer couldn't do a whole lot. Once Jobs left Apple, management expanded the Mac's features.

When Jobs acquired Apple, his vision of computing appliances was restarted - iPod, iPhone, et al. They have a lot more functionality, but the iOS walled garden keeps enough of the users happy - at least in the Silicon Valley/USA.

Look at early 20th-century Sears-Roebuck shopping catalogs online - one of the pages showed a hand-sized motor and the various attachments one could buy to attach to it - want a blender - get the motor and the blender attachment, et al.

An early 20th-century motor-based ecosystem similar to the battery-powered power tools you see today.

Eventually the idea of a generic motor that gets specialized with whatever particular attachment you want was refined to combine a motor and each particular attachment into its own separate integrated device - no swapping of motor and attachment anymore. There are pros and cons to both systems, but the integrated specialized appliance approach won for the most part.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by Terretta on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @07:18AM (#39287642)
> When Jobs acquired Apple, his vision of computing appliances was restarted - iPod, iPhone, et al. They have a lot more functionality, but the iOS walled garden keeps enough of the users happy - at least in the Silicon Valley/USA.

This sentence is backwards. About the only users not happy with the iPad as computing appliance are the ones in Silicon Valley USA or drinking its "car makers should design for garage mechanics not for driving" koolaid. (Commenters here, for instance.)

If you accept the premise the best tech disappears behind "the job to be done" for users, if you acknowledge driving is not about tinkering under the hood, to run an errand a driver shouldn't need to even know how it works under the hood, and most drivers are better off picking up groceries or kids or traveling, not ever opening the hood, then you will have a better time making cars for the drivers who buy Apple because it's an appliance farther along the novel engineering utility curve, where tinkerability is for engineers, utility is for users, and most users are not mechanics.

See also this, on Apple's "brand promise" and the EU's DMA:

https://hardcoresoftware.learningbyshipping.com/p/215-buildi...

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by tiltowait on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:24PM (#39280855)
They sold about $30B in Macs last year. If you're going to claim they aren't general purpose computing devices, you're operating under a different definition than just about anybody else.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by JohnFen on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @06:14PM (#39282219)
I'm not sure that I see how what the level of sales is has anything to do with the question of whether or not they're a GP computing device.

My opinion? They are, but of a somewhat restricted sort.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by lreeves on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @07:50PM (#39283075)
I mean Asahi Linux works really well on many versions of Apple Silicon these days, you're definitely moving goalposts if you're saying that a MacBook isn't a general purpose device.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by JohnFen on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @07:07AM (#39287540)
Just to be clear, I was saying that MacBooks are general purpose computing devices. I was disputing that the level of sales of a device has anything to do with whether or not the device is general purpose or not.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by lobf on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @07:19PM (#39282853)
What's my MacBook Pro?
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by WaffleIronMaker on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @01:48PM (#39278659)
I think it's reasonable to restrict pornography on a device intended to be used for AR in public.

From Apple's perspective, it's important that using the device in public doesn't have a stigma.

Otherwise, we don't need to wait for deepfake AI / AR apps to undress people.

Creeps could go in public, see a person they like, and put porn next to them without anyone knowing.

Without restricting porn, an AR device just becomes a machine to violate others boundaries. There's a reason cell phones in Japan cannot turn off the shutter sound.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by throwaway-blaze on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:14PM (#39279891)
Given that they literally tell you not to wear the device outside (and that early reviewers showed how it stopped working in a moving car or on a moving train, the device stops displaying content when its accelerometer determines you might become nauseated by outside motion) I don't think this argument holds water.

MacBooks can access an unrestricted amount of porn yet the public doesn't immediately equate computer users -> using porn right now.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by dkonofalski on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @05:33PM (#39281765)
This is factually inaccurate. It doesn't stop working in a moving car or train. The reviewers/users that were using it in those instances simply didn't turn on the Travel mode of the device. In order for the 3D windows to persist, they need tracking data. Travel mode disables the external tracking and leaves it as internal. It's less accurate but it's completely usable in a moving vehicle.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by chrisjj on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:12PM (#39279878)
But "without anyone knowing" means privately, and not in public, right?
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by kaashif on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:56PM (#39280465)
> Creeps could go in public, see a person they like, and put porn next to them without anyone knowing.

So uh, can't people already do this with phones? I could watch porn on the train in front of people right now?

What NEW boundary does AR violate?

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by peteforde on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:40PM (#39284199)
Crickets.

There is no new boundary except for the one puritans dream up. A holographic projection of their own inner monologue on the topic, if you will. ;)

It's all just so painfully dumb, and we have to weather the same arguments literally every time there's a new content format.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by lotsofpulp on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @02:31PM (#39279325)
> Creeps could go in public, see a person they like, and put porn next to them without anyone knowing.

Does this affect anyone else more than imagining the same thing using one’s brain?

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by refulgentis on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @02:46PM (#39279521)
No, but that is a very, very, slippery slope, and there's a supermajority against enabling it.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by rowyourboat on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:37PM (#39280223)
Slippery slope to where, exactly? I genuinely don't see it
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by refulgentis on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:52PM (#39281208)
The same argument (who is it hurting if its notreal and viewed by a singular person?) is commonly used by organizations who would like to see the age of consent lowered / widespread legalization of child pornography.

I don't want to discuss it too much because there's enough nuance here for people to hang you with no matter what you say, but, a brief parable: I spent exactly 1 sentence pointing out to someone you could make porn with Stable Diffusion and they started hosting a SD instance for deep fakes in our non-technologist community with girls in it, and also started what I still think of as a "porn dungeon" chat room.

It was immensely frustrating trying to verbalize why this was antisocial and why there was a set of people who were legitimately upset by it. They never really understood fully.

But I'm sure they had moment with the Taylor Swift deepfake stuff from last week.

There's isn't really a 100% logical Spock reason why it's bad, other than other humans find it deeply distasteful.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by rowyourboat on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:38PM (#39293979)
Count me among those who don't see the problem. I believe that there are people who are upset by it, but that alone does not justify prohibiting it.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by beeboobaa on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:25PM (#39280061)
Can't tell if this is satire or if you're being serious...

Just in case you're being serious, you realize that people can already imagine others naked in public or just snap a picture or video of them using their phone and upload it to your AI undressing service.

It being strapped to your head adds absolutely nothing, and you might be projecting your own fantasies.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by colechristensen on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:31AM (#39275319)
Forget porn, I'm just annoyed that I have to have an account and Internet access to make my lightbulbs do their thing. Access control and "security" have just become absurd. A car charger shouldn't have to authenticate/authorize me, nor a light switch, a television, a computer display (whether or not it's attached to my face), etc. etc. etc.

I'm going to become a luddite and carry wads of cash and wear a tinfoil hat.

This is my startup idea: less of this crap. The logo is going to be a rabid woodland creature wearing a tinfoil hat.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by milesvp on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @01:09PM (#39278019)
You’re not wrong, there is a lot of unnecessary vendor lockin. But as someone who has worked on IoT, security is much trickier than you might like. Security for a non wireless device can be completely relegated to physical access to the device. Thus making security the problem of owner of the device in a way that we have accepted security since forever. But as soon as there is a way to access a device from afar… well suddenly there are attack vectors that most people can’t even begin to imagine. And mitigating these attack vectors starts to seem like an unnecessary burden for non technical folk. I even had to deal with issues of a CEO and product owner not being able to wrap their heads around a few attack vectors forcing user experience compromises that they really didn’t like. It is really hard to solve the problem of you being the only person able to turn on and off your light from afar from an arbitrary device (one not paired at the factory). At the end of the day you need some way to pair a device. That’s sort of easy, bluetooth pairing is kind of a solved problem. But now let’s say you want to transfer authorization to turn a light on and off. Well, now you need to pair the device with this new person. As a house guest, they’re not going to take the time to do this for every device you own. So companies rely on other means that often rely on some combination of authenticate authorize in their ecosystem.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by SleepilyLimping on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:14PM (#39280700)
Learning how to import bulbs into HomeAssistant, or learning how to flash different firmware onto bulbs has been a difficult (yet kinda fun?) way to give myself peace of mind about that. Having that all run on NAS has at least given me some belief it isn't leaving my system.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by TIPSIO on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:27AM (#39275233)
Apple is trying to mainstream and normalize strapping a giant computer and camera to your face in everyday life.

I think having it watered down will actually push the dream of wearable computers for common use by making people feel less uneasy around it.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by peteforde on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:46AM (#39275584)
Could you explain further?

General purpose computing directly implies that each user is free to do what they want with it, just like the MacBook Pro they bought from the same company.

The world would be a lot more awesome if people weren't entitled to feel "uneasy" about what people they will never meet are doing legally in the privacy of their own homes.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by rusticpenn on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @01:16PM (#39278138)
Removing any association with users as perverts. Google made that mistake with glass…
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by peteforde on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @01:32PM (#39278384)
So, a moral panic some of us are okay with.

I don't agree, but I respect that this strategy is seemingly self-evident to a certain brain wiring.

PornHub says that red states often represent their heaviest users, demographically. Can you even imagine how different things would be if the rugged individualists defended freedom of thought as passionately as they defended weapons?

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by rusticpenn on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @01:39PM (#39278505)
I think it’s not just the red states, imagine a viral message asking if you knew that the guy near you on the subway was watching porn on his new gadget.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by ElFitz on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @12:36AM (#39284897)
In some countries some read comics porn or erotica in the subway. I can’t say wether or not it is frowned upon there though.

In other countries, souvenir shops sell genitalia-shaped pastries or bottle openers.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by stevofolife on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @02:35PM (#39279384)
What is vaseline used for? Does Unilever promote vaseline the way you think Apple should promote their headsets?

Answer is no.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by aranelsurion on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @02:53PM (#39279617)
Does Unilever prevent people from using their own vaseline however they like?
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @02:37PM (#39279401)
Everyone buys their locked down walled-garden devices we are only allowed to use in a handful of profit-maximizing ways and this is what we get. If they liberated and respected the user they'd be another hardware company.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by ephemeral-life on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @02:48PM (#39279550)
Its kindoff a shame. The people who built the foundations of our industry already knew what was coming decades ago and warned us, but we all thought they were crazy and ignored them. Now look at us. Governments can't even succesfully stand up against the control that these systems have over us.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by grepexdev on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:26PM (#39280065)
This comment is deeply saddening because of how true it is. This is exactly what has driven me to become a FOSS enthusiast, but sometimes I can't help but feel hopeless about the future of tech in general.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:10PM (#39279848)
It's a huge shame! I try not to use the anyone-who-disagrees argument but I genuinely think that anyone who disagrees lacks imagination. We have been robbed of so many possibilities!
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by dave78 on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:08PM (#39279836)
> Apple seems determined to serve this up as kid gloves experience vs a general purpose computing device with direct access to a real file system and ultimately a shell prompt

I think the idea of a general purpose OS without a company involved in deciding whether you are allowed to run programs or not is a thing of the past. If Apple and Microsoft could go back in time and change macOS and Windows to be like iOS where everything has to be approved and signed by Apple they almost certainly would. The only reason they haven't already (IMO) is that people are already used to those platforms being open, and there would be too much outcry to change it. Even then, they are certainly trying to chip away at it...

Think how much money would be collected if these companies got to extract 30% of every transaction carried out on every PC in the world. I'm sure they (plus Google) are busy trying to figure out if they can bring the "Apple Tax" concept to the web as well.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by GeekyBear on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:56PM (#39280467)
> If Apple and Microsoft could go back in time and change macOS and Windows to be like iOS where everything has to be approved and signed by Apple they almost certainly would.

What was Windows RT if not an attempt to move Windows over to a walled garden model?

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by PaulHoule on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:24PM (#39280856)
The thing is that people run Windows because they want to run Windows apps. That is, Windows is an important OS not because it is such a great OS in itself but because it has a great selection of software. Same is true for Linux or any other mainstream OS.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by GeekyBear on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:34PM (#39280987)
Sure, but the thing is that Microsoft has taken multiple swings at "Windows that can only get apps from the Microsoft Store".

Windows S was another attempt.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by saurik on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:30PM (#39284122)
(Your comment reads to me as having a tone of disagreement, yet you seem to just be providing further evidence of the point: we are confident that this is the case as Microsoft is actively trying -- if failing due to some of the other things you didn't bother to quote about existing expectations -- to gain this kind of control.)
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by entropicdrifter on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:35PM (#39280195)
>I think the idea of a general purpose OS without a company involved in deciding whether you are allowed to run programs or not is a thing of the past.

Android is the most used OS on the planet, so no. Not even close.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by dartos on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:10PM (#39279853)
They already have.

The easiest way for me to buy something from any stripe or Shopify website (when on an Apple device) is to use Apple Pay.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by moritzwarhier on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:28PM (#39280096)
But they aren't collecting 30% from Apple Pay. I assume they only collect juicy data and maybe even charge CC companies for making the service available?

Would love an informed reply, sorry for Google Laziness as I'm outdoors

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by ywain on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:36PM (#39281002)
Apple's ad business is fairly limited in scope (I think they only sell ads in the App Store and the News app) so user data is not as valuable for them as it is for Google and Facebook.

They definitely do make some money off Apple Pay transactions via interchange, but it's probably something like 0.1 to 0.3%.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by tiltowait on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:23PM (#39280828)
Apple doesn't charge businesses to use Apple Pay. They do charge the CC companies a fee of 0.15%. This fee might be passed on to the merchant, but I'm not sure if credit card processing fees have actually increased since Apple Pay's introduction. It's been a while since I had any involvement in that world.

https://www.checkout.com/blog/apple-pay-for-business

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by moritzwarhier on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:28PM (#39280903)
Thanks for your reply & perspective!
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by elorant on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:16PM (#39279941)
I don’t need the glasses to substitute my computer. I want to be able to use them outdoors as an AR device that will give me information on various spots. Even if I could run MacOS why would I write code on that instead of my keyboard that has haptic feedback.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by justinator on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @03:24PM (#39280041)
Hey peteforde - dis you?

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-friday-ed...

Edit: it totally is!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12928655

Bruh you may have a slanted pov (pun intended) on what people would use an Apple Vision Pro for!

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by dang on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @11:02PM (#39284345)
Please don't do this here.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by PaulHoule on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:20PM (#39280804)
Yeah, maybe Kinect failed because they didn't make a "Kinect Sex" app for it.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by chaostheory on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:35PM (#39284155)
Kinect failed because MS half assed it like they did Windows Mixed Reality, likely due to bean counting. It’s the same reason the Quest Pro was a failure.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by duped on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:24PM (#39280845)
> I get that corporate America is strangled by puritan values from the payment processing networks on up

I think it's just easier for platforms to ban porn rather than deal with the criminal and financial risks of enabling it.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by mtlmtlmtlmtl on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:44PM (#39281115)
Wait, there's no porn on the Vision Pro? That's hilarious to me.

$3500 for a device that can't do the number 1 application of its technology.

Re:The Apple Vision Pro by pohl on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @09:26PM (#39283723)
Am I to understand that no one has ever managed to rub one out with the assistance of their locked down iPhone?
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by squokko on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @01:46AM (#39285305)
VR headsets are already borderline impossible for 90% of the population to operate. Kid gloves / rails experience is the only way normal people can use it.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by SebFender on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @07:43AM (#39287847)
100% - "Closed" platforms are horrible - ok for a phone thing, but if you go in with "this is a computing platform" you have to give me more - especially at this price.
Re:The Apple Vision Pro by penjelly on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @04:44PM (#39294707)
i find it amusing if you were to use it for p*rn, apple would basically have a full scan of ur private regions