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Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by pluc on Sunday December 17, 2023 @08:58AM (#38672873)
These "how it's pronounced" thing are funny. It's pronounced how it's written, because 99.999% of people won't bother to figure out what the correct, non-written pronunciation is. If you can't pronounce it, it's an abbreviation and it's not meant to be pronounced. It's like The RZA. I call him R.Z.A not Riza cause that ain't how that shit is written. If you wanna be called Riza, call yourself Riza, don't make me fill in the blanks or extrapolate, that's not how reading works.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by cassianoleal on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:25AM (#38673037)
How do you pronounce Riza?

Is the "i" pronounced as in "I", the pronoun? Or as "ee"? What about the "R"? Is it an "r" like in the English language, with the tongue folded towards the back of the palate? Is it a rolling "r" like it's common in Spanish, Portuguese and many other languages? Is it a scratch sound produced by pressing the back of the tongue against the soft palate like it's common in Portuguese, Hebrew and others?

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by Tao3300 on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:52AM (#38673213)
It rhymes with GZA
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by bjterry on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:56AM (#38673236)
It's pronounced like "charisma" without the "cha" or the "m."
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by mcpackieh on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:29AM (#38673068)
You pronounce Riza the same way you pronounce any other name; whichever way feels most natural to you the speaker. If the person with that name wants you to pronounce it another way, they'll tell you (and if they aren't in earshot, then it doesn't matter.) Pronunciations are clarified using this simple social protocol.

About half the people I encounter pronounce my last name "wrong", I correct them if I'm in the mood to care, and that's it.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by cassianoleal on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:36AM (#38673124)
How's that any different from the RZA example then?
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by mcpackieh on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:38AM (#38673142)
I'm answering the question "How do I pronounce ...?" The procedure is the same for any name or technical term. You pronounce it however you feel is best (which will mean different people pronounce it in different ways.) Then if anybody feels strongly about it, a simple social protocol is used to negotiate a different pronunciation. It's not any different, it works the same for any pronunciation ambiguity.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by cassianoleal on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:43AM (#38673166)
My post was in response to

> If you wanna be called Riza, call yourself Riza, don't make me fill in the blanks or extrapolate, that's not how reading works.

Your post is "technically correct - the best kind of correct". Unfortunately, it doesn't add anything at all to the discussion. Thanks for the effort but at least in my case, it only served to increase confusion a little.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by november84 on Monday December 18, 2023 @08:02AM (#38681844)
Much of your point is how an artist chooses to spell their name is wrong and how you'd like to read it as correct.

I get it, it's a bit annoying but nothing worth the effort of squeezing.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by cassianoleal on Monday December 18, 2023 @08:51AM (#38682432)
That was the point of the parent of my original comment. My point was exactly the one you're making.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by dontlaugh on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:02AM (#38672894)
That attitude only really works in languages spelled consistently. English has far more ridiculous spelling, like Leicester for example.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by Culonavirus on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:11AM (#38672937)
Ah yes, reminds me of my favourite meat flavoring ingredient, the Wurstwrsrcer sauce.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by fullstop on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:39AM (#38673143)
That reminds me of a joke about someone calling for an ambulance because a friend was injured and incapacitated. The 911 dispatcher asked for their location, and the caller saw that they were on Worcestershire Street. Being unable to pronounce the word, they dragged the body over to Pine Street and continued the call.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by mcny on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:32AM (#38673086)
Worcestershire sauce

I don't care how these people want me to say their name. Worcester is like Manchester but with wor instead of man for me.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by ubutler on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:27AM (#38673053)
Let us not forget colonel and (in UK English) lieutenant (relevant: https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-19...).
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by chiefalchemist on Sunday December 17, 2023 @11:57AM (#38674200)
Am I the only one thinking of the famous The Three Stooges bit right now?
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by kcplate on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:07AM (#38673316)
I just call it in my southern drawl “what’s this here, sauce”
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by themerone on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:32AM (#38673087)
American English is a bit more sane than British English. Noah Webster and other american dictionary publishers change a lot of spellings to be closer to their pronunciation.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by Affric on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:41AM (#38673153)
I don’t think there is a meaningful difference.

American English still indulges etymological and traditional spellings for heaps of words. In cases like “fillet” and “valet” American English goes with “French” pronunciation.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by KineticLensman on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:50AM (#38673199)
> In cases like “fillet” and “valet” American English goes with “French” pronunciation.

I recall seeing an American somewhere in France getting frustrated when hotel staff couldn't understand what he meant by "maître-d", with his emphasis increasingly placed on the 'dee' as he got more and more annoyed.

(disclaimer: Brit here, not defending our pronunciation of Worcestershire)

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by bitwize on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:08AM (#38673326)
Thank you for the hilarious image of an obnoxious American tourist shouting "I need to talk to the Mater DEE!" at a baffled Frenchman.

> (disclaimer: Brit here, not defending our pronunciation of Worcestershire)

The Americans typically pronounce it some form of "Wooshishurr".

I used to live in Massachusetts, and my wife would complain about the British-inspired place names and their local pronunciation. "I'm from Louisiana, I can't with your New England names! There's no 'lemon' in Leominster!"

I would gently remind her of how 'Natchitoches' is pronounced; it's certainly not as written.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by KineticLensman on Sunday December 17, 2023 @03:49PM (#38676262)
The North Americans got their own back on me on one trip when I asked for a glass of 'water'. I increased my southern English accent until I was saying 'wart-er'. I then realised that I needed to say 'wadder' and then it worked; service with big smiles all round.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by chimeracoder on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:13AM (#38673358)
> In cases like “fillet” and “valet” American English goes with “French” pronunciation.

British English is even less consistent, using the French pronunciation of "valet" for one of its two meanings and the Anglicized pronunciation for the other meaning.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by Affric on Monday December 18, 2023 @10:41AM (#38683954)
Yes. I knowingly chose the example.

If you want a less controversial example use the word “one” and consider the voiced labial–velar approximant.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by jjgreen on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:27AM (#38673467)
In England, most people say less-tur, in Leicester it's less-tarr ...
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by blovescoffee on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:22AM (#38673012)
This is an odd bone to pick with someone who constantly pronounces their name in their music.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by igorguerrero on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:02AM (#38673287)
This comment is "ignorance is a bliss" exemplified.

If RZA calls himself "riza" then that be how is pronounced.

My name is "eegor" not "eyegor" is not what you want to call things is how they are pronounced.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by crossroadsguy on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:13AM (#38673363)
No, if Riza writes RZA and calls it Riza then he is free to call RZA Riza others are not obliged to. Abbreviation is abbreviation. But Riza calls Riza as “Rieyazza”, why? well, whims and fancy, then maybe that can work out.

Besides I don’t fsck calls itself something unless we are talking about AI or some shit.

For example I never call GUI “Gooey” but others do and that’s fine.

Neither GUI nor RZA is an acronym really unless we plan to make every abbreviation an acronym.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by amelius on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:12AM (#38673355)
That's not how it works. If some popular YouTuber calls you "eyegor", then that will be how your name is pronounced.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by pluc on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @11:12AM (#38710212)
I'm going to start a new company, call it Meta Fucks Disney, but it's pronounced "pshaw", you can be my lawyer.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by grepfru_it on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:37AM (#38673131)
…but the RZA says his name as “Riza” on 36 chambers. Thats like someone saying “hi my name is Richard” and you say “hi Dick”

PS I am part of the f-sick camp

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by williamcotton on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:40AM (#38673148)
If what you say is true, the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous.

Bring the motherfscking ruckus!

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by jl6 on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:16AM (#38673381)
That approach works if you mostly see the word written, rather than hear it spoken.

If you spend most of your time immersed in text and not much time immersed in speech, you might develop a bias towards thinking the written word is the primary form.

For “fsck” you could make a case that it comes from a primarily written culture.

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by macintux on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:04AM (#38672905)
That’s the differentiator between an initialism and an acronym: acronyms are intended to be pronounced as a word, initialisms are read out individually. NASA vs DoD e.g.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by jprd on Sunday December 17, 2023 @11:06AM (#38673752)
Do you also refuse to call him Bobby Digital, The Abbot, etc?
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by dfawcus on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:39AM (#38673542)
If I was to try, probably "Are-Za".

However I suspect that would quickly evolve in to "Arse".

Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by 0xbadcafebee on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:25AM (#38673456)
I'm guessing you don't like French...
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by User23 on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:21AM (#38673426)
May I recommend Wales as a lovely vacation spot for you?
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by chiefalchemist on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:34AM (#38673108)
IDK. Artist should be allowed to take liberties, be creative, etc. That's why their artists. It's not like RZA or Riza is his government name.
Re:Rob Pike on the Pronunciation of "Fsck" by impegh on Sunday December 17, 2023 @01:17PM (#38674977)
My guy, he and his friends constantly pronounce their names for you in their songs.

> I call him R.Z.A not Riza cause that ain't how that shit is written.

I know rza is wholly unaffected by your pronunciation of his name, but I implore you to rethink this behavior with people actually in your life.

Pronounce other peoples names the way THEY want you to, anything else is just narcissistic.