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Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by Eumenes on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @08:37AM (#38543667)
Yeah he's awesome. /s

In May 2017, Wyden co-sponsored the Israel Anti-Boycott Act, Senate Bill 720, which made it a federal crime, punishable by a maximum sentence of 20 years imprisonment,[88] for Americans to encourage or participate in boycotts against Israel and Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories if protesting actions by the Israeli government. The bill would make it legal for U.S. states to refuse to do business with contractors that engage in boycotts against Israel.[89] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyden#Israel

Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by JustLurking2022 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:05AM (#38544033)
That sounds like an attempt to ban political expression that is certainly protected by the First Amendment.
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by rchaud on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:22AM (#38544217)
Wyden knows such a bill wouldn't pass specifically because of its unconstitutionality. This was about picking up media coverage by throwing red meat at voters.

Congress has been in a state of deadlock for too long to pass any actual laws, so this type of performative theater ahead of midterm elections is what passes for statesmanship.

Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by eli on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:49AM (#38544609)
That's awfully generous. He co-sponsored a bad law that he didn't actually want to see passed?
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by rchaud on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @10:51AM (#38545451)
He may definitely want to see it passed. But elected officials should not be engaging in pushing bills that won't pass their first legal challenge.
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by eli on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @10:54AM (#38545507)
Similar bills have already passed legal challenges https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/eighth-circuit-upholds-...

I think it's a bad law and he's making a big mistake. I'm still a fan though.

Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by rchaud on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @01:52PM (#38547996)
Thanks for the link. Scary to see that the state is re-drafting these laws specifically to find loopholes in the constitutional definitions of freedom of speech. Check out this other loophole:

> The act does not apply to contracts worth less than $1,000, or to companies that offer to provide the goods or services for at least 20 percent less than the lowest price quoted by a business that has complied with the certification requirement.

So, a contractor if free to boycott as long as they cost the taxpayer a little bit less.

Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by peyton on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:14AM (#38544127)
It’s already pretty much the law. You can submit your complaints to the Office of Anti-Boycott Compliance [1].

Foreign governments can’t force government contractors to comply with boycotts. This bill AFAIK simply closes the loophole of Palestine not technically being a foreign government.

[1]: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac

Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by eli on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:55AM (#38544632)
That's not the same thing. This isn't about foreign government demands, it's about US states being legally able to discriminate against contractors who participate in BDS. (Edit: in fact it's about contractors who refuse to sign a pledge that they won't ever participate in BDS)
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by calvinmorrison on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:11AM (#38544100)
Well established ban, since you cannot discriminate anymore or voluntarily associate anymore as a business
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by eli on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:48AM (#38544594)
Pobody's Nerfect
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by micromacrofoot on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @10:55AM (#38545526)
This is a far cry from an "oopsie"
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by terabytest on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @08:39AM (#38543692)
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic. How is that acceptable and democratic?
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by kamikazeturtles on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @08:43AM (#38543735)
It already in exists in the form of Anti-BDS laws. 35 states already have them
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by pcrh on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:08AM (#38544060)
>Anti-BDS laws

These would seem to contravene the First Amendment.

Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by wahnfrieden on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:26AM (#38544256)
And? The US doesn’t work the way you think it does. It operates illegally and protects its powers over people. As a factual observation. What then
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by Eumenes on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @08:42AM (#38543725)
I am being sarcastic ;) the guy is supposed to be a freedom fighter for privacy/security but is trying to ban boycotts, the most basic form of protest, and integral to US democracy.
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by ysavir on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:01AM (#38543975)
Your previous comment came off very genuine. If clarity of statement is important, it might be worth ensuring your actual intent is made unambiguously clear somewhere in message, if that message is otherwise ironic or sarcastic.
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by adr1an on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @08:48AM (#38543799)
He's only banning the 'bad' boycotts. Right? /s
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by rudasn on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @08:46AM (#38543778)
Well, apparently, that's how a good politician works. Just like a good software engineer would have not one, but two backups, at different locations.

It's similar to what economists say about not pulling all your eggs in the same basket.

Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by Nthringas on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:02AM (#38543997)
close enough

I must add that "good politics" are all about compromise.

In my somewhat grim perspective the best outcome of good politics means none of the constitutents are happy and none are desperately angry.

politics are all about the completely bland and boring averaging

but I come from a land of historically terrible, awful politicians and leaders

Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by stjohnswarts on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:16AM (#38544142)
Well it's pretty unlikely such a law would stand up in any court even small claim's court
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by eli on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:46AM (#38544558)
Uh it's already the law in dozens of states. The Arkansas law was challenged, but upheld by the appeals court and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by vkou on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @10:45AM (#38545352)
I'd rather not test this theory, just like I'd rather not test the constitutionality of a law that makes accessing TikTok a felony.

... Also, as sibling commenters pointed out, anti-BDS gag laws are everywhere in this country, and have yet to be struck down.

Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by ethbr1 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @08:54AM (#38543884)
If you require all your allies to be perfect people...

... you won't be left with many allies.

Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by thehappypm on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:38AM (#38544448)
You can literally use this to excuse any behavior
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by I_Am_Nous on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @10:37AM (#38545242)
True, which is why it must be balanced with realistic judgements about the people you support and knowing what issues are truly important compared to what the current buzz is telling us is important.
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by karaterobot on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @10:33AM (#38545169)
True, but you can also refuse to excuse any behavior, nor give even an inch, and then look around after a while and realize you've won the wrong contest. You won the never giving an inch and remaining morally unblemished contest, and lost the making allies and getting anything done contest.
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by scarface_74 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @09:09AM (#38544081)
I mean wanting to put people in jail for using their first amendment rights is kind of big deal.
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by dylan604 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @10:25AM (#38545055)
and yet a leading candidate for the highest office is promoting exactly this, and has a large percentage of the population in full support.
Re:Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push no... by scarface_74 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @04:10PM (#38549496)
As long as you are putting “them” in jail, it doesn’t matter