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Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by Brajeshwar on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:17AM (#38175511)
Here is the interesting thing - India never had the concept of static IPs for residential home Internet. You have to pay a premium to get one, request for one with reasoning and has to be "for commercial."

So, all of our neighbors shares IPs or are within a range. It is fun knowing what all of my neighbors and the a few blocks away are all downloading.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by rinze on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:32AM (#38175629)
This made me remember one anecdote written in one of the books about how Amazon became what it is today (it could be "The everything store", but I'm not sure.)

If my memory serves me well, the book mentions that, for a while, Amazon had "the most read books in your zip code", until someone realized some corporations were so large a zip code was basically just them. So that became "the most read books at Intel's research department", and the entire thing was scrapped.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by cameronh90 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:16AM (#38176362)
In the UK, it’s not uncommon for a large building to have its own postcode. It’s quite useful because in most densely populated areas, you can use the postcode alone to navigate to within a hundred metres of your destination.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by fbn79 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:37AM (#38175676)
Same for Italy
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by shmde on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:29AM (#38175602)
I got scared looking at all the pornography and movies that I never downloaded popping up thinking someone hacked into my network.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by vasdae on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:46AM (#38175760)
I don't know of any country in the world, developed or not, that has static IPs for residental home users. It's a waste of IP addresses.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by mattlondon on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:24AM (#38175999)
My last two ISPs in the UK do not advertise static IPs but they change very, very rarely in practice. Perhaps once every 2 or 3 years IME.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by Peanuts99 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @01:17PM (#38180613)
My last 3 ISPs in the UK actually specify static IPv4 addresses as part of the service. My current one (IDnet) allows you to buy a block of 5 or so for a small monthly fee too.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by esquevin on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:56AM (#38175829)
In France I've had a static IP for years.

The french internet provider free.fr used to do this by default. I'm using another one nowadays which also let me have a static IP https://assistance.free.fr/articles/disposer-dune-adresse-ip...

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by boomboomsubban on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:55AM (#38175821)
I'm in the US. Though I don't technically have a static IP at home, I've had the same IP for ~5 years. It would be longer, but something happened which led me to leave my modem unplugged when I went out of town for a few days.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by Etheryte on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:50AM (#38175797)
It used to be common in Estonia, these days I think it's slightly less so, but the price is in the ballpark of five bucks a month to have a static one. It has many good uses and is definitely not a waste if you need it.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by pebble on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:34AM (#38176063)
Still available to all Telia users, 6 EUR per month. Been using it for almost 10 years.

Telia actually gives you both an IPv4 address and an IPv6 block which is pretty nice.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by Ekaros on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:57AM (#38176219)
For some reason they can't or won't do IPv6 in Finland... Then again here they have plenty of IPv4 addresses, so maybe they just don't care...
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by vasdae on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:54AM (#38175815)
It's a waste for the ISP when 99.9999% of users do not need a static IP address. When users turn off their routers they can reassign the addresses to other users. Not to mention the privacy issues of always using the same address.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by CorrectHorseBat on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:39AM (#38176094)
Who turns off their router? An ISP needs as many IP addresses as they have customers so there's nothing to gain there. I think assigning a dynamic ip is just a way for ISPs to make people pay more to get a static ip.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by account42 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:34AM (#38176065)
> When users turn off their routers

Which 99.999% of users don't do, ever.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by hnlmorg on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:53AM (#38176188)
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was an even smaller number of people than that.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by karatinversion on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:21AM (#38176404)
Hey now, at least once a quarter I power down my router, count to 30 and power it back up again because it is a temperamental baby
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by xethos on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @11:01AM (#38178404)
Because this is hackernews:

So when was the last time you checked for patched-but-not-auto-applied vulnerabilities in your (almost certainly ISP-provided) router?

ISPs don't want things to randomly break for consumers, so are likely to avoid rolling out updates that could potentially go wrong, but all code has vulnerabilities, and this controls access to your internal network.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by hnlmorg on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @11:40AM (#38179032)
That’s not really the same thing though because your ISP doesn’t gain a usable IP while you’re rebooting it.

The only way ISPs would, would be if their customers routinely turned their router off while they’re not using any electronic devices. But even the older generation I know (80+ years old, no “smart” devices apart from a Samsung tablet or a laptop, depending on the individual) don’t turn their routers off. It’s just not something people do.

In fact if anything, the kind of people who might want to are likely the same kind of people who would get scared to in case it broke something.

The only class of people I think who might, would be ultra tin foil hat paranoid people. And that’s certainly not going to be a large demographic.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by grotorea on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:02AM (#38175867)
I think that's too much 9s if you consider everyone who would run a home minecraft server or some other small scale personal server if having a static publicly addressable IP was easy and simple.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by HenryBemis on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:06AM (#38175895)
> and is definitely not a waste if you need it.

Well then 99.9999% of the people don't really need it. But if one decides to run their own mail server at home (to save those 5-10-20 per month for their mailbox) it's worth the trade-off.

> Not to mention the privacy issues of always using the same address.

For me that's the thing. Privacy AND Security. Especially when you got something 'listening'/waiting.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by mrweasel on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:59AM (#38175850)
In Denmark you can normally buy it for a small extra fee. My previous ISP didn't really understand the meaning of a static IP and announce that after having performed service in the area any customers with static IPs would get a new IP... making it specifically not static.

Most normal households don't get static IPs, but on the other hand they change very infrequently, so they are practically static.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by thaumasiotes on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:11AM (#38175927)
Not only am I getting a static IPv6 address, I configured the address myself from a random number generator and just request it. (Subject to the prefix I'm assigned, but still.) So really I'm being given a very large number of static addresses to do what I like with.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by krageon on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:59AM (#38175851)
the netherlands does
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by black3r on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:51AM (#38176175)
In Slovakia one of the biggest networks used to use "almost static" public IPs for home clients, they were assigned by DHCP and cached for 24 hours, so in the few years we've used them our IP changed twice... but since then they switched home customers to IPv6 using DS-Lite so no public IPv4 anymore...
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by miki123211 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:00AM (#38176246)
This might have been true in the age of modems and two hours of internet access per day, but not any more.

Most people have exactly one device directly connected to the internet (their router), and that router has hours of downtime per year at most. Most of that downtime (if there is any) is due to electricity outages, and so correlated with downtime of other consumers. When there are no outages, very few consumers can be left without an IP address. I'd expect the savings in IP space to be <1%, although I have no hard data here and might be missing something.

This doesn't apply to cellular carriers, there are plenty of subscribers who maintain their plans but disconnect often. This includes people living abroad (who normally use another country's SIM), or even people who turn off their work phones on weekends.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by guappa on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:27AM (#38176463)
Sweden.

Not every provider, but some do.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by yardie on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:28AM (#38176471)
The ISP that services our apartment building has static IPs available. Residential and commercial are just billing SLAs. The actual network equipment treats you exactly the same. It's not like they are rolling a separate fiber for ground floor commercial and residential services.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by minimaul on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @09:36AM (#38177209)
My UK based ISP provides static IPs by default (v4 & v6!). There's a few aiming at smaller niches that do.

We're relatively unique compared to a lot of countries though, where we have an infrastructure provider that serves basically the whole country with very good to tolerable internet (mostly) - Openreach.

Any ISP can sign up to use Openreach's network & a backhaul provider for providing services, and they usually get handover from their backhaul provider in London. Means we have a lot more small/niche ISPs that can still cover the entire country, and provide unique features - like static IPs or even blocks of static IPs.

There are alternative providers too (lots of 'alt-nets', and virgin media) - they're mostly not so open, though.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by DigitallyFidget on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @10:37AM (#38178018)
Google Fiber ISP.

They won't admit it's static, but it is. I've had the same IP for three years since moving into this house. In that time, I've had power outages lasting for days, IP was still the same. I've replaced my router and the assigned IP didn't change. The only way it can change is if they replace their media converter "fiber jack" or you call or go to their store to ask them to change your IP.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @05:57PM (#38184265)
Would it be reasonable to expect a comment like this to be prefaced by something like, "I have extensive knowledge of ISPs worldwide and ..."
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by underseacables on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:19AM (#38175963)
My outside IP address in Missouri hasn't changed in at least five years. No matter how many times I try to get it to release and renew, I always get the same address. So I'd say that's pretty static...
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by batch12 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:36AM (#38176080)
So if you have the same large ISP as me, you can change your IP by changing the MAC of your router and rebooting your modem.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by anonymousnotme on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @05:59PM (#38184278)
I don't have to reboot my router or modem. I just have an a script that changes the MAC and releases and renews or rather gets an IP address via DHCP. My ISP is slow at handing out an IP address out as it takes several minutes, but it is automated. When the same operation is done for an IP on the LAN, it is a second or or two to get a new IP address. I figure the main reason to get a new IP address is so that web sites can't track one by IP. If carrier grade NAT is used, then is there a point in changing one's IP? If one does not use any peer to peer, then it seems that carrier grade NAT should lower the cost of one's internet service and that should be preferred. If one needs anonymity for bittorrent or other peer to peer, then shouldn't a VPN or i2p be used? I got the impression that i2p might be slow.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by BLKNSLVR on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:44AM (#38176133)
I noticed that I kept getting the same IP address after reboots and even extended (tens of minutes) of the router being switched off.

A couple of years later my house was raided by the police.

I don't know if the two are related though, but within a couple of months after the raid my IP address changed for the first time since I noticed it being "static". Likely to be pure coincidence, but after that particular experience there are all sorts of different things that could be "putting two and two together"-type paranoia.

It's back to being reliably static at the moment... brb, someone at the door ;)

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by underseacables on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:31AM (#38176500)
You seem to have left out an important detail, why did your house get raided by the police?
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by BLKNSLVR on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @03:19PM (#38182210)
Distributing CSAM.

They took about $10k worth of my home lab gear. After eight months I was told I could go collect it back after they found nothing.

It was pretty traumatic. I still need to write down the complete summary. I've got about 50 pages of notes.

Knowing I was innocent was a certain comfort, but I really didn't know if there were going to be other motivations to manufacture something. Thankfully that didn't happen.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by flandish on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:16PM (#38184460)
This is the kind of thing where a home server being hacked could be used as a proxy/dumping/holding spot with the homeowner not even knowing… until that knock. Proving you didn’t know on your own svr.. prob impossible.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by underseacables on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:09PM (#38185000)
That's horrible and ridiculous, did you ever find out how they pinned this on you? I've heard of people in Europe running Tor exit nodes getting raided.

Just getting raided for something like that, or accused without evidence, is enough to destroy a person's life.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by BLKNSLVR on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:18PM (#38185515)
No. Other than receiving a minimal by mail notification about picking up my stuff, there's been no further communication.

At the time of the raid, and when I rang the lead investigator (roughly once a month) to get a status update and ask a couple of questions, the only answer I ever got was that the IP address of my household was flagged a number of times over the course of a few years.

Similarly to this "I know what you download" site listing something I definitely haven't downloaded, it makes me very skeptical of the thoroughness of both the Police's source information and their ability to understand what it actually means (and therefore any ability to apply logical reasoning to implications of it - such as it's potential fallibility).

All information I've received has been because I asked questions. Nothing was given voluntarily.

Upon asking "whether this was over", the lead Investigator gave me the impression I was still a suspicious character because:

- I had "tor" on one of my computers

- I had visited and downloaded things from Mega (apparently frequently used for such materials)

- I had virtual machines.

This is the Police's level of understanding of technology. It's scary, it's sad, and it's disappointing, and I fucking hope I never get caught in their web of incompetence ever again.

I actually viscerally feel like I'm still under some amount of surveillance. But that might be just standard background paranoia (refer: Slartibartfast).

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by underseacables on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @09:20AM (#38190618)
I actually viscerally feel like I'm still under some amount of surveillance.

I'm not a lawyer, but my business is networking hardware and monitoring software. My company has worked with law-enforcement in the past, so take this with a grain of salt…

My opinion is that you are still absolutely under a cloud of suspicion, and I would not rule out the possibility that there is a flag on your ISP account, police are continuing to actively monitor your traffic, and hopefully you don't have to undergo a background check anytime soon because it will probably come up.

I suggest you speak to a lawyer, maybe even send a freedom of information request to the police department, and to the FBI for your file, and a direct question if you are currently under investigation.

My guess is that they will lie and say no, but at least you have it in writing for someone else. You might get a Glomar which is the same as a yes. Either way you will have some insight.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by BLKNSLVR on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:44PM (#38199386)
I started a new job about a month after the raid (unrelated, the previous contract expired around that time) and had to do a police check which is partially normal just for getting a job and partially because I'm working adjacent to sensitive PII. Nothing sus there.

But, after 12 months I had to re-do a police check, and I thought that was normal for the industry, but one of my co-workers who started around the same time as me didn't have to re-do any police check.

Maybe nothing, but maybe there is a little bit of a stain that just will not come out.

We have attempted follow ups with police ombudsmen and local politicians regarding this, but there's little recourse unless it's police misconduct as opposed to "the system is shit". Beyond that it becomes expensive and time consuming and I really, honesty, truly do not want this to consume me or become my life's purpose.

I'm still planning on pursuing various other (limited) avenues, but I'm at a point in my life where personal free time is at a minimum due to the age of my family, so the pursuit of this is a backlog item.

(the effect on my family is also a strong motivating factor - side note: the police appeared to have absolutely zero expectation that there were children in the house; there was an almost panicked reaction from the officer who woke up my kids when they went into their rooms)

Funny thing: I don't like talking about this, but I need to, to keep it fresh as a reminder, but it also makes me angry again. But I'm not someone who wants to live in denial of reality.

P.S. This is in Australia.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by underseacables on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @09:52PM (#38200516)
AUSTRALIA. That's a completely different animal, incredible country, but your justice system is/may be a little more fair than America. I wish you luck!
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by labcomputer on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @04:03PM (#38182790)
One thing I’ve noticed for certain ISPs is that you have to reboot both the modem and the router to get a new IP (or release / reboot modem / renew).
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by supriyo-biswas on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:30AM (#38176037)
> India never had the concept of static IPs for residential home Internet.

I’m not sure about your experience, but I was always allocated a dedicated public IP (not static though) between 2009-2013 when on the mobile networks of two different ISPs. I even remember being able to host public websites off of them, from my phone.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by tambourine_man on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:36AM (#38176079)
Yes, but I’d bet your ISP is required by law to store what IP was given to what customer at any given time for a certain period.

In that sense, it’s just as bad privacy wise, just a better use of a finite resource.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by jasode on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:17AM (#38176365)
>Yes, but I’d bet your ISP is required by law to store what IP was given to which customer at any given time for a certain period. In that sense, it’s just as bad privacy wise,

If the gp you're replying to is talking about CG-NAT[1] (which is common in India), the privacy leak is not the same.

With CG-NAT, a hundred homes simultaneously share the same public-facing IP address at the same time. That's different from Verizon or Comcast in the USA where each house has a different temporary public ip address rotating from a pool of ip addresses.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by yencabulator on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @10:09AM (#38177623)
The ISP can still be required to keep a record all the NAT decisions.

But yeah, this thing shows other CGNAT consumers for me, with some questionable taste in books.