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Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by vasdae on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:46AM (#38175760)
I don't know of any country in the world, developed or not, that has static IPs for residental home users. It's a waste of IP addresses.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by mattlondon on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:24AM (#38175999)
My last two ISPs in the UK do not advertise static IPs but they change very, very rarely in practice. Perhaps once every 2 or 3 years IME.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by Peanuts99 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @01:17PM (#38180613)
My last 3 ISPs in the UK actually specify static IPv4 addresses as part of the service. My current one (IDnet) allows you to buy a block of 5 or so for a small monthly fee too.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by esquevin on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:56AM (#38175829)
In France I've had a static IP for years.

The french internet provider free.fr used to do this by default. I'm using another one nowadays which also let me have a static IP https://assistance.free.fr/articles/disposer-dune-adresse-ip...

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by boomboomsubban on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:55AM (#38175821)
I'm in the US. Though I don't technically have a static IP at home, I've had the same IP for ~5 years. It would be longer, but something happened which led me to leave my modem unplugged when I went out of town for a few days.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by Etheryte on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:50AM (#38175797)
It used to be common in Estonia, these days I think it's slightly less so, but the price is in the ballpark of five bucks a month to have a static one. It has many good uses and is definitely not a waste if you need it.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by pebble on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:34AM (#38176063)
Still available to all Telia users, 6 EUR per month. Been using it for almost 10 years.

Telia actually gives you both an IPv4 address and an IPv6 block which is pretty nice.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by Ekaros on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:57AM (#38176219)
For some reason they can't or won't do IPv6 in Finland... Then again here they have plenty of IPv4 addresses, so maybe they just don't care...
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by vasdae on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:54AM (#38175815)
It's a waste for the ISP when 99.9999% of users do not need a static IP address. When users turn off their routers they can reassign the addresses to other users. Not to mention the privacy issues of always using the same address.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by CorrectHorseBat on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:39AM (#38176094)
Who turns off their router? An ISP needs as many IP addresses as they have customers so there's nothing to gain there. I think assigning a dynamic ip is just a way for ISPs to make people pay more to get a static ip.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by account42 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:34AM (#38176065)
> When users turn off their routers

Which 99.999% of users don't do, ever.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by hnlmorg on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:53AM (#38176188)
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was an even smaller number of people than that.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by karatinversion on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:21AM (#38176404)
Hey now, at least once a quarter I power down my router, count to 30 and power it back up again because it is a temperamental baby
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by xethos on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @11:01AM (#38178404)
Because this is hackernews:

So when was the last time you checked for patched-but-not-auto-applied vulnerabilities in your (almost certainly ISP-provided) router?

ISPs don't want things to randomly break for consumers, so are likely to avoid rolling out updates that could potentially go wrong, but all code has vulnerabilities, and this controls access to your internal network.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by hnlmorg on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @11:40AM (#38179032)
That’s not really the same thing though because your ISP doesn’t gain a usable IP while you’re rebooting it.

The only way ISPs would, would be if their customers routinely turned their router off while they’re not using any electronic devices. But even the older generation I know (80+ years old, no “smart” devices apart from a Samsung tablet or a laptop, depending on the individual) don’t turn their routers off. It’s just not something people do.

In fact if anything, the kind of people who might want to are likely the same kind of people who would get scared to in case it broke something.

The only class of people I think who might, would be ultra tin foil hat paranoid people. And that’s certainly not going to be a large demographic.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by grotorea on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:02AM (#38175867)
I think that's too much 9s if you consider everyone who would run a home minecraft server or some other small scale personal server if having a static publicly addressable IP was easy and simple.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by HenryBemis on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:06AM (#38175895)
> and is definitely not a waste if you need it.

Well then 99.9999% of the people don't really need it. But if one decides to run their own mail server at home (to save those 5-10-20 per month for their mailbox) it's worth the trade-off.

> Not to mention the privacy issues of always using the same address.

For me that's the thing. Privacy AND Security. Especially when you got something 'listening'/waiting.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by mrweasel on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:59AM (#38175850)
In Denmark you can normally buy it for a small extra fee. My previous ISP didn't really understand the meaning of a static IP and announce that after having performed service in the area any customers with static IPs would get a new IP... making it specifically not static.

Most normal households don't get static IPs, but on the other hand they change very infrequently, so they are practically static.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by thaumasiotes on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:11AM (#38175927)
Not only am I getting a static IPv6 address, I configured the address myself from a random number generator and just request it. (Subject to the prefix I'm assigned, but still.) So really I'm being given a very large number of static addresses to do what I like with.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by krageon on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:59AM (#38175851)
the netherlands does
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by black3r on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:51AM (#38176175)
In Slovakia one of the biggest networks used to use "almost static" public IPs for home clients, they were assigned by DHCP and cached for 24 hours, so in the few years we've used them our IP changed twice... but since then they switched home customers to IPv6 using DS-Lite so no public IPv4 anymore...
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by miki123211 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:00AM (#38176246)
This might have been true in the age of modems and two hours of internet access per day, but not any more.

Most people have exactly one device directly connected to the internet (their router), and that router has hours of downtime per year at most. Most of that downtime (if there is any) is due to electricity outages, and so correlated with downtime of other consumers. When there are no outages, very few consumers can be left without an IP address. I'd expect the savings in IP space to be <1%, although I have no hard data here and might be missing something.

This doesn't apply to cellular carriers, there are plenty of subscribers who maintain their plans but disconnect often. This includes people living abroad (who normally use another country's SIM), or even people who turn off their work phones on weekends.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by guappa on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:27AM (#38176463)
Sweden.

Not every provider, but some do.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by yardie on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:28AM (#38176471)
The ISP that services our apartment building has static IPs available. Residential and commercial are just billing SLAs. The actual network equipment treats you exactly the same. It's not like they are rolling a separate fiber for ground floor commercial and residential services.
Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by minimaul on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @09:36AM (#38177209)
My UK based ISP provides static IPs by default (v4 & v6!). There's a few aiming at smaller niches that do.

We're relatively unique compared to a lot of countries though, where we have an infrastructure provider that serves basically the whole country with very good to tolerable internet (mostly) - Openreach.

Any ISP can sign up to use Openreach's network & a backhaul provider for providing services, and they usually get handover from their backhaul provider in London. Means we have a lot more small/niche ISPs that can still cover the entire country, and provide unique features - like static IPs or even blocks of static IPs.

There are alternative providers too (lots of 'alt-nets', and virgin media) - they're mostly not so open, though.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by DigitallyFidget on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @10:37AM (#38178018)
Google Fiber ISP.

They won't admit it's static, but it is. I've had the same IP for three years since moving into this house. In that time, I've had power outages lasting for days, IP was still the same. I've replaced my router and the assigned IP didn't change. The only way it can change is if they replace their media converter "fiber jack" or you call or go to their store to ask them to change your IP.

Re:Iknowwhatyoudownload.com – Torrent Activity Checker by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @05:57PM (#38184265)
Would it be reasonable to expect a comment like this to be prefaced by something like, "I have extensive knowledge of ISPs worldwide and ..."