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Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by api_or_ipa on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @02:49PM (#37679383)
Pricing is interesting. $299 for the Wayfarer model when the base Wayfarer goes for $171 on the Rayban website. If (and this is a big if) you assume Luxottica takes the same cut on both models, then Meta is selling a camera, headphones, etc, conveniently packaged into a very small form-factor for $128. If I were in the market for a new pair of sunglasses, it isn't hard to seem me splurging another $128 for something that could potentially replace my airpods for taking calls while I'm away from home.

Personally, not a fan of sticking a camera everywhere I look though. I get why companies want to push that feature (more data!) but I just don't see a reason why consumers need a camera pointing at everything they're doing.

Kinda cool nonetheless.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by lm28469 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @05:35PM (#37681671)
For me, and probably a lot of people, it's the opposite, I'd pay more if needed to get the non tech version
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by hu3 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @06:12PM (#37682108)
That doesn't happen with phones. Most people pay a premium to get the smart version.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by dwighttk on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @06:47PM (#37682491)
if facebook were business smart, they'd sell these for less like the TV screen people...
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by quickthrower2 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:02PM (#37684288)
they are business smart!
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by dwighttk on Thursday September 28, 2023 @07:10AM (#37687943)
Business smarter then I guess
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by KarlKode on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @06:42PM (#37682431)
In my local sunglass store iI can buy genuine Wayfarers for a bit more than 100$ so I guess Luxotica’s margin is even higher than expected…
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by wyclif on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:22PM (#37684433)
Luxottica cannibalized and cheapened Ray-Bans a long time ago; see my comment above.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by sbilstein on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:56PM (#37685067)
You can definitely go to a mall and get ray bans with solid barrel hinges
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by wyclif on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:02AM (#37685105)
You can't. They were only available on the original Ray-Bans before they sold out to Luxottica.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by cromulent on Thursday September 28, 2023 @08:02AM (#37688361)
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by wyclif on Friday September 29, 2023 @12:27AM (#37699264)
Thanks! I wasn't aware of that model; they must be new. Looks like they were introduced back in March of this year. Good to see the barrel hinges. But a couple of questions:

Are the lenses glass? (It says they're G-15, which is supposed to be mineral glass, but I don't know if RB has changed the definition somewhere along the line and replaced them with plastic).

Are these only available in EU, or in the US as well?

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by logbiscuitswave on Friday September 29, 2023 @09:40PM (#37712097)
G-15 is just the tint color (the gray/green). It’s not the material. I’m pretty sure that only way you’re getting glass lenses from Ray-Ban is if you get the high index prescription lenses.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by emodendroket on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:29AM (#37685251)
They sell them for like 20 times what they cost to make, according to https://seekingalpha.com/article/4472420-essilorluxotticas-m...
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by MrMetlHed on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @06:43PM (#37682436)
Yeah, I go hiking several times a week and I'd wear these all the time. I like listening to podcasts or music, but want to be able to hear any rattlesnakes or interesting birds, so the speakers seem like a plus. And being able to snap a photo without pulling my phone out would also be great. I probably wouldn't use them in a lot of situations, but hiking seems like a good one. If these end up being decent I'd consider them over a normal pair of sunglasses next time I need a pair.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by gascoigne on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @08:20PM (#37683498)
> And being able to snap a photo without pulling my phone out would also be great

The camera is only 720p. There are probably a couple more iterations before this becomes good enough to not pull your phone out.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by flockonus on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @08:39PM (#37683656)
Where did you get 720p from? On the website it says 12MP, which i believe is equivalent to 4k resolution.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by mbreese on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:05AM (#37685120)
From: https://www.meta.com/smart-glasses/wayfarer-shiny-black-plan...

Camera 12 MP ultra-wide

Image framing / resolution - Portrait default / 3024 X 4032 pixels

Video - Vertical default / 1440 x 1920 pixels at 30 fps

So, the video is a mix of 1440 and 1080p. (1920x1440, but tall rather than wide).

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by koube on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @08:33PM (#37683600)
Bone conducting headphones are great, I use them all of the time on walks, and you can hear everything as long as you don't play anything to loud. If they get loud enough then you don't hear certain things but that goes for any kind of headphones.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by dontlaugh on Thursday September 28, 2023 @05:30AM (#37687257)
The ones I tried for a few days made me nauseous enough that I had to return them. But I think that's a rare reaction.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by bpye on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:25PM (#37684829)
Bose had sunglasses with bone conduction audio for a while - but I think they got discontinued. I like the idea but these are, to me, worse. I get why some people would like having a camera, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable with it.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by beebeepka on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:46AM (#37686169)
There are countless bone conducting headphones on the market. And they are very affordable. No need for brand names.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by bpye on Thursday September 28, 2023 @01:24PM (#37692802)
Oh sure - but as someone that wears glasses the idea of them being a combined device is interesting.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by bigbluesax on Thursday September 28, 2023 @03:47AM (#37686573)
When I tried bone conducting headphones a couple years back, the audio quality wasn't good enough to really enjoy music, podcasts worked well through.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by seabass-labrax on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @07:04PM (#37682692)
Luxottica is probably doing very nicely on this partnership, and may well be offering Apple a substantial price cut to compensate. I had never heard of 'Rayban' before this Apple announcement! (Not that I am the target market for sunglasses anyway, in dark and wet Great Britain)
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by presentation on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @07:24PM (#37682874)
It’s only probably the most famous sunglasses brand in human history
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by seabass-labrax on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @08:01PM (#37683316)
Sunglasses aren't a particularly good investment when there will only be a couple of weeks bright enough to want them :) But awareness of raincoat brands in Britain, now you're talking!
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by djtango on Thursday September 28, 2023 @01:57AM (#37685792)
Yes... I remember when Hunter wellies were a UK fashion export amongst some circles I moved in haha
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by Spare_account on Thursday September 28, 2023 @05:52AM (#37687382)
I wear sunglasses for driving every day of the year in the UK.

Your optician will also encourage you to wear sunglasses year-round, UV damage can occur even in overcast conditions.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by seabass-labrax on Thursday September 28, 2023 @04:34PM (#37695442)
That's a good point; roads can certainly have a strong glare.

I see an independent optician who is fairly old. Although they sell sunglasses, the optician has never suggested that I should wear them. Do you think this is perhaps newer guidance that is shared by more recently-graduated opticians, or maybe something promoted by a major chain of opticians?

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by fomine3 on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:22AM (#37685204)
As a worst fashionable and no glass person, I knew Ray-Ban from counterfeit spams by hacked account. It's one of the worst encounter.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by bobobob420 on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @08:06PM (#37683369)
Have you seriously never heard of Rayban but know what Luxottica is? I dont want you to dox yourself but I assume non US…?
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by seabass-labrax on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @08:18PM (#37683479)
Indeed, I'm from Britain. I really hadn't ever heard of Rayban - and I only know what Luxottica is because I looked it up after reading this thread :)
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by baby on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:03PM (#37684289)
Rayban is famous worldwide tho
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by ChristianGeek on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:58PM (#37684662)
Not if you’ve never heard of them!
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by herbst on Thursday September 28, 2023 @03:48AM (#37686578)
To be fair they are barely relevant in my circle and more a fashion piece for the older generation. It's not like teenager or young people around here think it's cool to have expensive cheaply made glasses
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by baby on Thursday September 28, 2023 @11:56AM (#37691452)
I guess I'm part of the older generation being in my 30s, what are teenagers wearing these days?
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by JohnFen on Friday September 29, 2023 @02:03PM (#37707958)
> To be fair they are barely relevant in my circle and more a fashion piece for the older generation.

I'm of the older generation (in my 50s), and at least in my circles, Ray-Bans aren't particularly cool either. They're not exactly un-cool, but they do tend to be worn by a particular sort of person.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by Snoddas on Thursday September 28, 2023 @03:37AM (#37686504)
I learned about Ray-Bans in the early 80s because that was what Jake and Elwood Blues wore.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by gnicholas on Thursday September 28, 2023 @03:55AM (#37686634)
> I had never heard of 'Rayban' before this Apple announcement!

Apple? Or do you mean Meta? It would be understandable if you had never heard of them, given the recent rebrand!

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by seabass-labrax on Thursday September 28, 2023 @04:36PM (#37695472)
Oh, right - sorry for any confusion. I find it difficult to work out who owns who nowadays :D
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by geon on Thursday September 28, 2023 @03:58AM (#37686647)
Apple?
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by jondwillis on Thursday September 28, 2023 @07:27AM (#37688076)
No, Facebook.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by dmix on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @07:10PM (#37682744)
Maybe there's some app store type arrangement.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by tamimio on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @07:16PM (#37682809)
> $299 for the Wayfarer model when the base Wayfarer goes for $171 on the Rayban website.

With the amount of data collected, it should be provided free of charge, heck, you are getting paid too!

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by seventytwo on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @08:06PM (#37683366)
I bet these smart glasses have basically zero profit margin, or even negative.

The real value to be made here is to get facebook’s data vacuum into a new aspect of our lives.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by pharmakom on Thursday September 28, 2023 @05:10AM (#37687137)
First company to crack this will have Apple like market dominance.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by scrum-treats on Thursday September 28, 2023 @01:01PM (#37692480)
If I recall correctly, Google already did. I also remember people largely pushing back against hyper-surveillance tech such as this.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by dvngnt_ on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:23PM (#37693566)
google is an innovator but they don't really stick with things if they're not immediate hits.

meta has privacy concerns but they've made a name for themselves in XR so this move isn't out of nowhere and with apple joining soon it's more normalized. apple wants us to strap a hmd to watch our kid blow out the candles

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by CodeWriter23 on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:48PM (#37693931)
Not zero, negative margin.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by wyclif on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @10:21PM (#37684420)
The base, regular Wayfarers were cannibalized and cheapened out by Luxottica a long time ago. I'm fortunate enough to have a vintage pair from the mid-1980's that still look brand new. They have higher quality zyl frames, polarized glass Bausch & Lomb lenses, and, crucially, five barrel bolted hinges. They're built like a tank.

The new ones are so cheap I won't even wear them. Cheap plastic, plastic lenses, spring hinges that break quickly, and obnoxious branding on both the temples and the lenses. Terrible.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by bamboozled on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @11:17PM (#37684778)
Agree they’re complete trash and feel similar. I once had a pair I found under a house from I’d guess the 60s, the builder must have misplaced them. They felt like something from another universe compared to today’s trash.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by throwaway837367 on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:46AM (#37685340)
I work in the optical industry. I do R&D/quality control for a lens manufacturer and agree Luxottica is an awful company, but your comment is way off base. It's actually quite wrong.

Your "zyl" acetate frames aren't higher quality. Modern acetate is stronger, lighter, less brittle, less subject to warping from temperature change, and more resistant to UV damage which impacts brittleness and color. 40 years of material science progress. No one in the industry would say older acetate is better. It's worse in every way especially because yours are old. They're breaking down.

People don't wear glass lenses anymore for a reason. They are heavy and the only advantage over plastic is less chromatic aberration which is a non issue unless you are comparing to an extreme prescription using high-index plastic. They are also fairly dangerous compared to plastic due to the way they shatter. They fog up more easily. Again, 40 years of material science.

Additionally, there are no low optical-quality plastic lens blanks. This is a solved problem. The only defects you'll get in lens blanks are bubbles and these won't make it through production. What happens after a manufacturer grinds the lens out is a different story but I can also tell you that their lens production is not low quality by any means.

Your hinges aren't any better and get loose over time. You can't actually use these for 40 years, they will wear out too and are harder to replace. Spring loaded hinges are lighter and reduce strain on both the frames and the wearer. I know what they use, they aren't cheap, and are high quality.

I do agree with your point on the branding.

The optimization for optics is all about weight. You're old frames and lenses aren't better because they're heavier, they're worse. As well as being more brittle and shatterable. It's like pining for the old heavy golf clubs made of wood and iron or all steel cars with V8 engines. Yeah, they're heavier! But they're worse in every way.

I will also say that you should buy frames because you like the frames. If you want great lenses, you just get them made. You shouldn't expect high-quality prescription lenses from a frame manufacturer, that's what your optometrist is for. I buy cheap frames all the time and pop in whatever I want.

You may have a bit of a point if you are talking moderate to high prescription ordered from Ray-Ban, but if you are talking about their non-prescriptive sunglasses, you're just yelling about all the wrong things.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by wyclif on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:55AM (#37685388)
First of all, nobody (certainly not me) is "yelling." I find the way you wrote this response a bit telling, and that sort of thing actually detracts from your ability to persuade.

I'd freely grant your point about the zyl. But the rest of your response is somewhat motte-and-bailey fallacy to me. For instance, I never maintained that there are "low quality plastic lens blanks." What I was getting at is that for a lot of consumers, the polarized Bausch & Lomb glass lenses are superior in quality and a better experience than the cheap plastic lenses. I also never, at any point, maintained that I'd "expect high-quality prescription lenses from a frame manufacturer." My comment was framed (pun intended) in terms of off-the-rack, non-Rx sunglasses which was absolutely clear from what I said above.

And your claim about the hinges is simply laughable. I'd dare you to stress-test (in the R&D sense) the old five-barrel bolted hinges against these cheap spring hinges. That's a Pepsi challenge I'd be willing to take any day. Incidentally, as I mentioned above, I have a pair of 1984 Ray-Ban Wayfarer IIs that are a few months away from being exactly 40 years old, and as I said they look and function like new even though they've been worn constantly for decades. Trying to maintain that the spring hinges Luxottica uses on today's Ray-Ban branded sunglasses are "high quality" completely destroys the force of your argument.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by rconti on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:05AM (#37685846)
I find both comments pretty insightful and have a hard time disagreeing with either. It's nice that the poster you're replying to has deep knowledge about these glasses, but it doesn't actually change the way you feel about a sturdier-feeling product. And, sure, maybe you treat them really carefully, but the fact that they're 40 years old at least proves SOMETHING about them.

Sometimes things that "feel" high-quality are actually less robust, but longevity is not always more important than aesthetics.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by Anon_Admirer on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:57AM (#37686257)
There maybe survivorship bias in this persons feelings and beliefs.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by Xenoamorphous on Thursday September 28, 2023 @03:52AM (#37686615)
Oh man those Volvos from the 80s and 90s... I swear until a few years ago I heard people saying how they were the safest cars.

Or even my mum, I remember how she didn't like how the doors in the Sierra (an European Ford model) that my dad bought to replace an old Taunus (also an old European Ford model) were lighter, she felt less safe.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by ToucanLoucan on Thursday September 28, 2023 @08:09AM (#37688428)
> It's nice that the poster you're replying to has deep knowledge about these glasses, but it doesn't actually change the way you feel about a sturdier-feeling product.

This is the entire basis of Beats putting chunks of shitty iron in their headphones. It does absolutely nothing for the audio quality, but it makes them feel heavier and therefore people will swear up and down they are of better quality.

Part of being an intelligent person I feel is recognizing your own limitations, biases and failings. I am a very smart person, and I feel most people who know me would agree. But I am smart about particular things. I know a lot about my field of programming and I'm well educated in the software I make, and I know a lot about web development in a bit of an old school way (was educated formally awhile back, and while I can still sling PHP and use SQL with the best, I don't know nearly as much about newer frameworks and ways of doing things.) And while I'm proud of all that, it doesn't mean I know shitfuck about anything else.

I think a good part of what makes people intelligent is knowing what they know, knowing what they don't know, and being open to finding out if they need or want to from people who do know.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by ad404b8a372f2b9 on Thursday September 28, 2023 @09:04AM (#37689057)
Listening to some of these arguments you'd believe we need to get an expert's opinion and a literature review to gauge the quality of the things we use in our daily lives.

I don't need an expert showing me a frequency curve to gauge the quality of earphones, I don't need an expert on manufacturing to tell me whether my current pair of glasses are more or less solid than the previous pair.

Part of being an intelligent person is also accepting that other people are just as intelligent as you, and not complete fools. People can see what's right in front of their eyes.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by pulpfictional on Thursday September 28, 2023 @10:15AM (#37689909)
It would be nice to have, I look for that when planning to acquire items I don't understand. Inference is good, certainty is better.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by sirsinsalot on Thursday September 28, 2023 @06:19AM (#37687574)
Assuming both commenters are honest, I'm going to listen to the person who works in QA in the industry.

The parent just sounds like someone who loves a specific item and is a bit miffed they changed it.

Lots of "cheap plastic lenses" and "cheap spring hinges" type complaints without much backup.

Is carbon fiber cheap and rubbish because it isn't steel? Why does the parent think plastic means inferior?

"Mine are 40 years old and fine!!" Is a bit useless, and a sample of one.

I own a wide range of old and new sunglasses, and in my eyes, the new ones are mostly superior if you buy right. Granted Luxottica are a bad actor in many ways.

"... destroys the force of your argument ..." really? Does it? Does it tho? No.

I think the GP was bang on.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by hattmall on Thursday September 28, 2023 @09:02AM (#37689040)
This is just industry entrenchment. Owning a pair of old vs new raybans just doesn't compare, it's not just the weight. The springs and material are simply stronger, they don't break or get scuffed as easily. The new lenses may have some better technical properties in the lab or extreme settings but the biggest difference is just keeping them smudge free. Old lenses just stay clean and are so much easier to simply wipe down. The new ones are nearly impossible to clean without chemicals and seem to get dirty almost immediately.

The bit about cars is telling too. Yes new cars are better in everyway on paper and in extreme cases. But from an actual consumer usage standpoint it's not the always better... $3500 repair because I bumped a guardrail on the highway one night vs some touchup paint in an older car. High speed collision, sure new car is preferred.

No one at a marina is going to try and sell you on a 1980s Yamaha 2-Stroke vs the new EFI 4 Strokes, but anyone that owns both would tell you they just wish they made a few improvements to the old style instead of going completely modern. Of course the new motor makes 30 more HP and uses less fuel but it needs vastly more maintenance and you need an entire parts store to have a reasonable chance of avoiding being stranded.

The improvements are great, but for most things, for most people, they just want them to work well for their intended typical usage.

It's wonderful the new F225s can operate in 9ft swells at 0F but I would really just like it to have a greater than 50% chance of starting up in calm 75 degree weather which is like 90% of the time I'm boating.

You know the dealers recommendations though, and I'm not joking, is just buy two (or more) motors!

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by hellomyguys on Thursday September 28, 2023 @10:14AM (#37689892)
You can touch up an old car because they were not made to crumple when hit, which makes them pretty unsafe.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by wyclif on Friday September 29, 2023 @10:47AM (#37705110)
Are you seriously claiming that plastic lenses are higher quality and longer lasting than glass lenses? Plastic lenses scratch very easily; glass lenses don't. Also, I don't need to write a white paper or do a study to maintain that spring hinges are cheap compared to the barrel hinges. I've seen so many of the spring hinges break on glasses people had bought less than a year ago. They are demonstrably low quality.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by sirsinsalot on Saturday September 30, 2023 @05:53PM (#37720260)
Do you mean crown glass? High index glass? Polycarbonate?

What grade of scratch? What about cost to replace vs non-resistance? What about the average lifetime of glasses vs cost?

By cheap do you mean take less stress before fracture? How about actuations before failure?

See, you don't know. You're just ranting. Yes, you would need to you know ... at least cite some specifics and evidence beyond your own experience. That's how these things tend to work.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by wyclif on Sunday October 01, 2023 @03:15PM (#37729470)
This is just meaningless overqualification, as if you're trying to escape reality. Any kind of glass is going to be more resistant to scratches than plastic, even the kind that claims to be scratch-resistant. By cheap hinges, I mean they take less stress before fracture and fewer actuations before failure.

This is really not rocket surgery. We're talking about sunglasses. As I said above, I don't need to write a white paper or do an academic study to know this is true, it's based on my experiences wearing all these different types of sunglasses over decades and observing how they are constructed and how they respond to various types of normal wear to outright abuse.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by throwaway837367 on Tuesday October 03, 2023 @06:19PM (#37758408)
99.999% of all sunglasses and prescriptive lenses are plastic. Glass lenses haven't been a thing in decades.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by froh on Thursday September 28, 2023 @03:58AM (#37686646)
thank you for this very down to the facts excursion on 40y of progress in non-prescription glasses :-) this is what I come for on HN
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by oooyay on Thursday September 28, 2023 @07:24AM (#37688052)
++ I wear prescription Ray-Ban Wayfarers and they're highly durable and the lenses are pretty good quality. I use them out gardening and when working in the yard. In general I only wear Ray Bans because they're a pretty consistent quality, durable, very lightweight, and never pinch my nose.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by pulpfictional on Thursday September 28, 2023 @10:15AM (#37689917)
Where do I go to for quality sunglasses?
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by gnicholas on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:29PM (#37693649)
I used to have Ray-Bans, but only buy Maui Jims these days. I tried Revos, which I had always thought of as very high-quality, but they were not good (lenses reflected lots of light from behind me, as if they lacked an anti-reflective coating).

But even some MJs are not as good as the price would suggest. I have tried $300 MJs that didn't have spring hinges. They were just like regular lousy hinges.

Costco has a selection of Maui Jim sunglasses for ~$100, which is far below retail.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by pulpfictional on Friday September 29, 2023 @05:23PM (#37710240)
Thank you.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by csmiller on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:35PM (#37693745)
Jacques Marie Mage are very nice, I'm also a fan of Matsuda.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by pulpfictional on Friday September 29, 2023 @05:23PM (#37710244)
Thank you.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by MichaelZuo on Thursday September 28, 2023 @05:44PM (#37696308)
> They are heavy and the only advantage over plastic is less chromatic aberration which is a non issue unless you are comparing to an extreme prescription using high-index plastic.

This isn't true, even the best plastic lenses of 2023 are nowhere near as scratch resistant as the best glass lenses of 1993.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by wombat-man on Thursday September 28, 2023 @08:54AM (#37688963)
No way, I have a couple real pairs and they are solid. One I've had for like 13 years
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by surfingdino on Thursday September 28, 2023 @02:18AM (#37685950)
Yes, it's to gather even more data. Ad agencies have figured out how to glorify this. Dell in the UK is running an ad telling the viewer that the tourists photographing and filming coral reefs are helping the scientists help preserve nature.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by mikelward on Thursday September 28, 2023 @03:29AM (#37686457)
Yeah, I would take no cameras, less creepy, and longer battery life, if I had the option.

Edit: I do love that they have a transition lens version, though. I haven't seen that elsewhere.

Bose had some Bluetooth glasses, but their website currently says "We'll be back soon". I also can't find them on Amazon, so I'm wondering if they were discontinued.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by bbor on Thursday September 28, 2023 @04:39AM (#37686954)
Omnipresent video input is going to be essential for Artificial Self-Instantiation AGIs early next year. Your personal assistant can’t help you if you need to tell it what you’re doing all the time!
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by jondwillis on Thursday September 28, 2023 @07:29AM (#37688093)
Why do you say early next year?

Agents barely work as of now. OpenAI’s plugins that ~do~ things like browse are still quite slow.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by bbor on Friday September 29, 2023 @04:39AM (#37700930)
Partially openai’s “chatgpt5 will be done by December and achieve AGI”, partially a wish to stir a discussion here with hopeful language, and partially my burndown chart for my own implementation :)
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by autoexec on Thursday September 28, 2023 @12:26PM (#37691939)
> Your personal assistant can’t help you if you need to tell it what you’re doing all the time!

I assume "help" in this case will mean shoving endless ads your face and feeding manipulative lies to you on behalf of anyone willing to pay for it.

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by bbor on Friday September 29, 2023 @04:38AM (#37700920)
I believe in the power of open source and self-hosting, in this case.
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by mgrund on Thursday September 28, 2023 @04:59PM (#37695756)
Sounds interesting, any reading material you could point to about this?
Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by bbor on Friday September 29, 2023 @04:49AM (#37700996)
Hmmm it’s a very hard thing to sum up in one piece, not sure I have a good author… I highly recommend skimming Marvin Minsky’s “The Frame Problem” (TL;DR personal assistants will only be helpful once they have intuition), and Picardy writings on Affective computing (TL;DR computers need to simulate our mental states in order to help us effectively). This is a good reminder to look for more lit though!

Philosophy wise, I’m frustratingly forgetting the two people who write about how one’s consciousness can be said to include things like personal journals, record books, calendars, etc. The idea is that you’re offloading part of your mind into artificial forms, in a very meaningful and real way. Will update if I remember their names soon! In the meantime, this is a great skim on the more general topic IMO: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity-personal/

Re:Ray-Ban Meta next generation of smart glasses by mgrund on Friday September 29, 2023 @05:06AM (#37701105)
Thanks!