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Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by kdottt on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:14AM (#37645184)
Saw a giant billboard with something along the lines of "Apple hosts child sex abuse imagery on iCloud. They are complicit."

Really wonder what groups are putting these up and where they're getting their funding. This was in California. It happens every few years, where organizations try to go after encryption or other privacies under the guise of public safety or "save the kids" type stuff, but I've never seen huge billboards like this before.

Pretty jarring.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by max_ on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:30AM (#37645460)
Could be the CIA launching a propaganda campaign as a way to weaken encryption.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by colpabar on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:52AM (#37645889)
What? The CIA (and every other US agency, except the police, sometimes) are the good guys, the good guys on the good news sites told me so.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Condition1952 on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:53AM (#37645894)
Does the CIA need to weaken encryption? Don’t they have backdoors or front doors into each operating system connected to the power grid?
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by RIMR on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:41PM (#37646698)
No, lol. They don't. Maybe Windows, because Microsoft doesn't seem to care much about privacy, but Apple doesn't mess around. And if there were backdoors in Linux, we'd definitely know about it, because people are actively looking for stuff like that.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Sporktacular on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:03PM (#37647105)
This is just wrong. Apple's public position could differ from its actual one. And Hiding a backdoor (or hiding with the deniability of an innocent bug) in open source is possible. "we'd definitely know about it" is not how security works.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by RIMR on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:56PM (#37648797)
There have been exhaustive third party reviews of the Linux kernel, nothing is impossible, but a government backdoor would be extremely hard to hide from the level of scrutiny that codebase is put under.

I would certainly consider it unlikely enough that any suggestion to the contrary, without evidence, is just a conspiracy theory.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Try1275 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @07:51AM (#37657924)
Could there be a backdoor on the hardware level?
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by RIMR on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @01:49PM (#37663103)
I mean, yes, as we have already agreed, anything is possible, but I'm not in the business of believing things without evidence.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Sporktacular on Thursday September 28, 2023 @07:26AM (#37688066)
"we'd definitely know about it".

Yes, but extremely hard is not the same as impossible. How many security 'bugs' can we be sure were unintentional?

This is not just semantics. Complacency can come from over-confidence.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by monocasa on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:55PM (#37646956)
The CIA's hacking tools were leaked in the Vault 7 leaks from WikiLeaks. They were fairly amateurish. The nearest component was some 0 days for smart tvs to turn them into wiretaps. It seems like the NSA really does get the focus for signals intelligence.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Canada on Monday September 25, 2023 @04:18PM (#37650012)
If those were amateur what does professional look like?
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by bananapub on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:31AM (#37645482)
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by MerelyMortal on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:02PM (#37646079)
If I was Apple, I would be getting that torn down and suing immediately (or hiring their quasi-police force to tear it down with or without permission). I doubt Apple "allows" it. Apple probably even forbids it in their Terms of Service.

Just because Apple willingly avoids knowing what their users store on iCloud does not mean they are taking the active role of allowing illegal content to be stored.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by novok on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:15PM (#37646284)
Thats a striessand effect waiting to happen
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by schoen on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:46PM (#37646793)
There are lots of good reasons for Apple to avoid a defamation lawsuit about this.

(1) Streisand effect (mentioned by another commenter) - it would generate tons of free publicity for their opponents.

(2) Civil discovery - the defendant would get to demand access to Apple's internal e-mails about this issue in order to try to prove its case.

(3) Possibly losing - even though this feels obviously intended to make people believe false things about Apple, a court might accept that there is some interpretation of "allows" and "complicit" that are protected criticisms of the company under some jurisdiction's defamation standard.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by mattnewton on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:55PM (#37646957)
Better to use your substantially larger ad budget to quietly outbid them on billboards in a way least likely to generate press on their billboard.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Aachen on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:01PM (#37647061)
> I doubt Apple "allows" it. Apple probably even forbids it in their Terms of Service.

Encrocrypt and Cyberbunker probably had terms saying not to do illegal things...

What matters is how they respond to problems as they are pointed out. If it would turn out that links to their hosting service keep popping up in child abuse cases, do they respond by deleting them piecemeal or do they put a system in place that tries to identify the content by fuzzy hash and flags it for proactive review? Do they actively cooperate with the countries' law enforcement where the picture got uploaded from? That sort of thing. That has infinitely more impact than "you wouldn't download a car" notices

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by mschuster91 on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:32AM (#37645493)
If in doubt, look towards churches. They're always neck deep in anything involving sex or sexuality, mostly to distract from their own considerable issues.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by nachteilig on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:27AM (#37645425)
I saw that and a car driving around with that on it in San Francisco and had the same thought. Who funds that and who is their real target audience? With the tech crowd you might need a bit more nuance.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by kevingadd on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:31AM (#37645477)
Spyware companies would be a good guess. There's a lot of money to be made in helping abusers spy on their partners and/or kids by installing malware on their devices, and of course there's a big enterprise/govt market for that as well whether your goal is to capture dissidents, bust internal unions, or do a little industrial espionage.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by matthewdgreen on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:44AM (#37645728)
I find this stuff very alarming. The reporting in TFA about European politics (and the recent Heat Initiative pressure campaign here in the US) illustrate how much unaccountable dark money is flowing into these causes. I don’t think that there are huge pools of anonymous donor cash looking to influence child-safety campaigns for the sake of anyone caring about children, because that’s not typically how altruistic donors donate their money.

Instead I think it’s likely that some commercial interests see a lucrative financial opportunity in this private data (either selling AI-based scanning tools, or mining it directly as a service.) This data is currently locked up with big firms like Apple and Meta, who are (for various reasons) leaning towards encrypting it rather than exploiting its contents, and the way to solve this problem involves passing laws through naive legislatures who don’t understand what they’re doing. And frankly that possibility worries me much more than where I thought we were previously - which was just a boring dispute between government and tech firms.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by standardUser on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:45AM (#37645744)
The first thing that comes to mind is the conservative movements growing obsessions with pedophilia, real and imagined. It has become the visceral hook that seems to emotionally motivate a lot of the far-right, not unlike abortion.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by AnimalMuppet on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:22PM (#37646404)
Let's stick with "real" for a moment. There is absolutely nothing about real pedophilia that makes it a far-right-only concern. In fact, with the left's concern about sexual abuse of women, they ought to also care about sexual abuse of minors.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by standardUser on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:35PM (#37646614)
You are asserting that people who are not far-right do not care about the abuse of minors, which is a nonsensical belief with no connection to reality and completely undermines whatever point you're trying to make.

But it is a good example of the over-the-top rhetoric being used around this exact issue.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by AnimalMuppet on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:47PM (#37646807)
I am not claiming what you say I am.

You said:

"It [pedophilia] has become the visceral hook that seems to emotionally motivate a lot of the far-right, not unlike abortion."

I am claiming that pedophilia motivates many people, not just the far right. It is beyond me how you could misread that claim into something that would lead you to reply as you did.

[Edit: My use of "ought to" may be the problem. The left, based on their positions, should be emotionally, viscerally motivated to oppose pedophilia. If they aren't, then that is an inconsistency in their position. But I think that they (or at least many of them) are motivated. So, to sum up, I'm not sure why you singled out the far-right in your initial statement.]

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by standardUser on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:55PM (#37646952)
"...they ought to also care about sexual abuse of minors."

That implies they do not care about the sexual abuse of minors, but they ought to.

"There is absolutely nothing about real pedophilia that makes it a far-right-only concern"

And implying that anyone, anywhere would think that it is a "far-right only concern" is absurd framing. It's make-believe nonsense.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Dylan16807 on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:06PM (#37647169)
Yes it's your use of ought to, and no there isn't an inconsistency.

Being "emotionally, viscerally" motivated, to the extent that it's very obvious, tends to make people do stupid and counterproductive things. You shouldn't be demanding that.

> I'm not sure why you singled out the far-right in your initial statement.

Because of their horrible politicized accusations that take attention away from the actual problems.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by notahacker on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:09PM (#37647221)
It's much easier to misinterpret your statement that the left ought to care about paedophilia as a claim they don't (even if that was not your intent) than it would have been for you to interpret the OP about "obsessions... real and imagined" as a claim that paedophilia in general is a far right only concern...

Particularly in the context of the appeal of an ad dubiously associating a California tech co with paedophilia to people who believe stuff like Pizzagate and Q because they're inclined to suspect everybody they don't like is in league with the paedos

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by RIMR on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:36PM (#37646617)
I have never met anyone on the left that isn't disgusted by the sexual abuse of minors. Just the perfectly rational acknowledgement that the sexual abuse of women is a more widespread problem.

Child sex abuse is more common that it ever should be, but it is not the epidemic of child abuse that the right characterizes it to be. Accusations of pedophilia are extremely commonplace on the right, even when there is absolutely no evidence, largely because it is the most horrifying thing you can accuse another person of doing, and because the moral panic you can instill in your supporters if you convince them is a highly effective political weapon.

If anything, the people who scream about pedophila the loudest are the ones showing their apathy towards actual real-world child sex abuse, because they are doing so in bad faith, not to protect actual children, but to score political points through slander. If anything that helps obfuscate and enable child abusers, since the focus is now on conspiracy theories and targeted defamation.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by dfxm12 on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:19PM (#37647388)
Accusations of pedophilia are extremely commonplace on the right

Every accusation is an admission.

I don't know how anyone takes American (and probably other) conservatives seriously on this topic when they are constantly trying to block laws that will make it harder to marry children [0], [1], or defending the practice in general [2].

0 - https://apnews.com/article/child-marriage-west-virginia-bill...

1 - https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

2 - https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/missouri-lawmaker-defends-...

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Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by catlover76 on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:48PM (#37648688)
There are a number of objections to specific points in your comment, as well as your overall perspective, but I think the biggest one is that your kids don't need to be using YouTube, Discord, or other apps.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by wkat4242 on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:50PM (#37649593)
I know several people in transition (and post) and the one thing that stands out is how carefully it is done. You don't go to the doctor and order a sex change like it's a Big Mac. There's a whole support trajectory of psychological evaluation and support and transition is the last option. Of course they know gender dysphoria is often a temporary phase.

No kid will get "castrated" just to fit in. Actual gender change operations aren't even done until adulthood, only puberty blockers are sometimes used which are reversible. And only if the child's dysphoria is so extreme it really impacts their quality of life or endangers them (think self-harm). In this sense it's entirely "for the children".

Also 99% of trans people have no regrets. The system works. I think it's amazing that we live in a world where people can decide their own life and body. And I don't really get the whole hate against trans people. It's not like they're harming anyone.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by camgunz on Monday September 25, 2023 @07:26PM (#37652166)
Yeah there's a strong "castration" thing being pushed by right-wing media but it's not a thing. Kind of cool in a way to watch it spread like a virus across social media and general society though, but also a little horrifying.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/detransitioned-boy-castrated-b... (Note the total lack of sourcing)

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/05/scicheck-young-children-do...

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/05/viral-imag...

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by wkat4242 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @02:19AM (#37655126)
Yeah and I think the whole "rise" in transgender cases is better explained by considering that it was a huge taboo until recently and there's now actual operations available and accessible (insurance) to people that weren't before

People forget also that the parents have the final say in these matters until the child matures. Nobody is coming to castrate your kids :P

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by banhamm on Monday September 25, 2023 @07:33PM (#37652224)
> And I don't really get the whole hate against trans people. It's not like they're harming anyone.

Tell that to all the lesbian women who've had their social and dating spaces overrun by men pretending to be women. Or to the female prisoners forced to share cells with such men. Or indeed to any woman who's had to deal with one of these men invading a female-only space for his own selfish delight.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by wkat4242 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @01:28AM (#37654828)
They're not men pretending to be women, they are women.

And a trans operation is obviously not done to be able to snoop in the women's shower.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by banhamm on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @04:29AM (#37656178)
> They're not men pretending to be women, they are women.

This reality-defying assertion always reminds me of the Catholic belief in transubstantiation. Their position is that even though the bread looks like bread, tastes like bread, behaves like bread, has all the properties of bread, and so on, it somehow is literally the body of Christ in substance.

Just like how these men are somehow literally women, according to acolytes of the transgender belief system.

It's nonsensical. Why do you even believe this?

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by wkat4242 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @02:24PM (#37663675)
It's called respect for people's gender identity.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by banhamm on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @02:06PM (#37678665)
How about some respect for women who want and need female-only spaces?
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by null0pointer on Monday September 25, 2023 @09:41PM (#37653260)
> Actual gender change operations aren’t even done until adulthood

This seems to be false according to this article [1] which claims that “In the three years ending in 2021, at least 776 mastectomies were performed in the United States on patients ages 13 to 17 with a gender dysphoria diagnosis, according to Komodo’s data analysis of insurance claims.”

1: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran...

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by wkat4242 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @01:31AM (#37654844)
In Holland it's forbidden under 18, I don't know about the US. But 776 people is obviously not a lot on the population of the US. That's one in half a million.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by standardUser on Wednesday September 27, 2023 @01:38PM (#37678202)
You are talking about such a tiny number of people compared to the overall population that many of those individuals could be intersex or otherwise have health or genetic problems that led to procedures at such a young age.

In fact, it's kind of fucked up how the entire anti-trans movement completely pretends intersex people do not exist.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by vGPU on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:12PM (#37653861)
Puberty blockers are not reversible. If used for more than a year or so, they significantly stunt brain development and greatly increase the odds of infertility and other future health problems.

>99% have no regrets

Why is the suicide rate so high then?

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by wkat4242 on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @01:30AM (#37654837)
Puberty blockers don't make you dumber, they could affect fertility sometimes but it's not a huge issue if the eventual goal is a transition anyway (which it must be for them to be given). As fully transitioned people can't conceive naturally. It's a good tradeoff.

Suicide here in Europe is not higher (in fact it's higher when not carried out die to dysphoria) but I can imagine that in strongly conservative areas bullying is very strong driving people over the edge :'(

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Hnrobert42 on Monday September 25, 2023 @05:18PM (#37650796)
That does indeed sound very frustrating. I have consciously chosen to not have children specifically because being a parent seems so difficult.

So while I sympathize with your plight, you chose this bed. Why should I have to sleep in it?

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by sneed_chucker on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @01:02PM (#37662351)
Maybe because the fact that a (presumably) healthy adult such as yourself chooses not to procreate because it "seems so difficult" indicates that there is something very sick about the society that we live in.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by olliej on Monday September 25, 2023 @05:38PM (#37651059)
Ok, so people have had "child sexuality" since forever. Every time some person is talking about a kid's boyfriend or girlfriend they're talking about child sexuality.

The only change is that now we recognize that bullying and abusing children because they're the "wrong" sexuality is wrong, and homophobes have decided that instead of doing it directly they're going to try the "sex is sin" path of abuse and then say that the only reason for a non-straight relationship is sex, and therefore is adults only.

The fact that you go on an uninformed transphobic rant tells me which camp you're in.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by onetimeusename on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:02PM (#37647096)
Nothing in this article suggested any of the groups or individuals involved were far-right
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by standardUser on Monday September 25, 2023 @02:24PM (#37648347)
The comment I responded to was specifically speculating about who was responsible for billboards they saw that relate to the topic of the article. Incidentally, the responses to my comment are indicative of exactly the kind of rhetoric I have seen many times coming from the right on this topic.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by osamagirl69 on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:05PM (#37646141)
These are from Heat initiative. The campaign was covered pretty well when it broke earlier this month[1]

>The campaign is being led by Sarah Gardner, who was

>previously the vice president for external affairs at

>Thorn, a nonprofit founded by Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore

>to combat child sexual abuse online. Ms. Gardner raised

>money from a number of child safety supporters, including

>the Children’s Investment Fund Foundation and the Oak

>Foundation.

[...]

>Two investors -- Degroof Petercam, a Belgian asset manager, and Christian

>Brothers Investment Services, a Catholic investment firm -- will submit a

>shareholder proposal this month that would require Apple to provide a detailed

>report on how effective its safety tools were at protecting children.

FWIW the picture on the billboard is AI generated

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/01/technology/child-sex-abus...

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by sbuk on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:49PM (#37646861)
May be the Catholic investment firm should sort out their own back yard before making demands of any other entity...
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Aachen on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:59PM (#37647034)
I'm not in favor of public scaremongering like spreading half-truths about a random other company on a billboard, but I will say that perfect is the enemy of good. You can say "sort out your own back yard" about virtually anything.

If you believe that what they do is good, it doesn't matter so much if their own back yard is sorted out, it's still good. If you don't, then not, and it still doesn't matter what their own state of affairs looks like.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by omginternets on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:03PM (#37647112)
In the case of the Catholic Church, it’s completely fair to call out their hypocrisy.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Aachen on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:08PM (#37647193)
In a topical conversation, playing it on the man detracts from the discussion
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by omginternets on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:20PM (#37647391)
The comment is topical. It relates to a Catholic investment group that is pushing in morally-ambiguous policies to fight child sexual exploitation.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by olliej on Monday September 25, 2023 @05:32PM (#37650979)
The Catholic Church has a long history of actively protecting child abusers, and it keeps happening. They then, as one of the richest organizations on earth, set up their organization to allow them to "bankruptcy" their way out ever having any consequences.

Couple that with the catholic church's long standing stance of "anything LGBT or adjacent is child abuse" and you have an organization who's stance on "stopping child abuse" is "we must criminalize anyone or thing that is LGBT, but abusing children is a-ok, and we must make child victims feel like they are the guilty party, and making them aware that telling anyone about the abuse might send them to the 'police' is absolutely something abusers use".

It is absolutely correct to call out the involvement of any such organization in any claimed "child abuse prevention" system, especially a system that has no path to stop actual predators and criminals and by design has no possible mechanism for checks or audits.

I won't even consider trusting the catholic church's involvement in child welfare until they: compensate every victim, publicly report every abuser they have protected and provide all documentation to police, and they send every single person involved in covering up and protecting these child abusers to the police (because jfc they are child abusers), and then we can start addressing the various "schools" for native children that were basically torture centers for children that abused, killed, and raped hundreds if not thousands.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by abawrbghqr on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:52PM (#37654102)
Isn't this sort of a useless line of reasoning ultimately? I mean sure, blah blah everyone is aware of the history of sexual abuse in the Catholic church. But the same issue is just as, if not more, prevalent across public schools in the United States. Would the same argument seem as reasonable if it read "Maybe the federal/state government should sort out its own back yard before making demands"?
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by sbuk on Tuesday September 26, 2023 @02:34AM (#37655230)
It depends. Are the state attempting to cover it up? Is it to the same extent as what has happened in the Catholic Church? Are they offering the protagonists protection and sanctuary? Either way, I’m sure we can all agree that the measures they’re promoting are unacceptable. My point though is that organisations, such as the Catholic Church, and organisations that purport to operate under their auspices, have no moral standing to make these demands of other entities. From where I’m standing, it looks as if they are pointing the finger of responsibility at big tech, instead of the organisation that is covering up child abuse.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by xp84 on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:02PM (#37647092)
Pretty weird. I mean, I guess since SD cards can be used to host it, SanDisk is also complicit. And you can use the open Wi-Fi at the airport to send it, so JFK airport is complicit. Just how many entities are obligated to scan all bits for these illegal sequences of ones and zeroes?

Why not actually focus more effort on the twisted people who create the content by abusing minors and less on a global dragnet for all communications?

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by jbuhbjlnjbn on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:31PM (#37647569)
Absolutely. We already know why the interest groups focus on the communications, instead of proven ways. Because it is a false flag operation. The topic is used as a vehicle to undermine private encrypted communication.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by wkat4242 on Monday September 25, 2023 @03:35PM (#37649382)
They should go after the US postal service too. The companies that make fibre cabling. Phone manufacturers. All complicit in their twisted narrative.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by vGPU on Monday September 25, 2023 @11:08PM (#37653840)
That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.