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Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by AnimalMuppet on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:22PM (#37646404)
Let's stick with "real" for a moment. There is absolutely nothing about real pedophilia that makes it a far-right-only concern. In fact, with the left's concern about sexual abuse of women, they ought to also care about sexual abuse of minors.
Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by standardUser on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:35PM (#37646614)
You are asserting that people who are not far-right do not care about the abuse of minors, which is a nonsensical belief with no connection to reality and completely undermines whatever point you're trying to make.

But it is a good example of the over-the-top rhetoric being used around this exact issue.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by AnimalMuppet on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:47PM (#37646807)
I am not claiming what you say I am.

You said:

"It [pedophilia] has become the visceral hook that seems to emotionally motivate a lot of the far-right, not unlike abortion."

I am claiming that pedophilia motivates many people, not just the far right. It is beyond me how you could misread that claim into something that would lead you to reply as you did.

[Edit: My use of "ought to" may be the problem. The left, based on their positions, should be emotionally, viscerally motivated to oppose pedophilia. If they aren't, then that is an inconsistency in their position. But I think that they (or at least many of them) are motivated. So, to sum up, I'm not sure why you singled out the far-right in your initial statement.]

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by standardUser on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:55PM (#37646952)
"...they ought to also care about sexual abuse of minors."

That implies they do not care about the sexual abuse of minors, but they ought to.

"There is absolutely nothing about real pedophilia that makes it a far-right-only concern"

And implying that anyone, anywhere would think that it is a "far-right only concern" is absurd framing. It's make-believe nonsense.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by Dylan16807 on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:06PM (#37647169)
Yes it's your use of ought to, and no there isn't an inconsistency.

Being "emotionally, viscerally" motivated, to the extent that it's very obvious, tends to make people do stupid and counterproductive things. You shouldn't be demanding that.

> I'm not sure why you singled out the far-right in your initial statement.

Because of their horrible politicized accusations that take attention away from the actual problems.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by notahacker on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:09PM (#37647221)
It's much easier to misinterpret your statement that the left ought to care about paedophilia as a claim they don't (even if that was not your intent) than it would have been for you to interpret the OP about "obsessions... real and imagined" as a claim that paedophilia in general is a far right only concern...

Particularly in the context of the appeal of an ad dubiously associating a California tech co with paedophilia to people who believe stuff like Pizzagate and Q because they're inclined to suspect everybody they don't like is in league with the paedos

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by RIMR on Monday September 25, 2023 @12:36PM (#37646617)
I have never met anyone on the left that isn't disgusted by the sexual abuse of minors. Just the perfectly rational acknowledgement that the sexual abuse of women is a more widespread problem.

Child sex abuse is more common that it ever should be, but it is not the epidemic of child abuse that the right characterizes it to be. Accusations of pedophilia are extremely commonplace on the right, even when there is absolutely no evidence, largely because it is the most horrifying thing you can accuse another person of doing, and because the moral panic you can instill in your supporters if you convince them is a highly effective political weapon.

If anything, the people who scream about pedophila the loudest are the ones showing their apathy towards actual real-world child sex abuse, because they are doing so in bad faith, not to protect actual children, but to score political points through slander. If anything that helps obfuscate and enable child abusers, since the focus is now on conspiracy theories and targeted defamation.

Re:‘Who Benefits?’ Inside the EU’s Fight over Scanning for C... by dfxm12 on Monday September 25, 2023 @01:19PM (#37647388)
Accusations of pedophilia are extremely commonplace on the right

Every accusation is an admission.

I don't know how anyone takes American (and probably other) conservatives seriously on this topic when they are constantly trying to block laws that will make it harder to marry children [0], [1], or defending the practice in general [2].

0 - https://apnews.com/article/child-marriage-west-virginia-bill...

1 - https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

2 - https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/missouri-lawmaker-defends-...