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Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by blastro on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:45PM (#37436882)
I saw the commissioner of the SEC on TV this week. He called on Congress to put in place limits on how student-athletes can earn from their NIL as well as put in restrictions on the transfer portal, calling it a "return to traditional American values in college sports".

Pretty unbelievable how these institutions are creating billions of dollars of revenue / wealth off the backs of young (primarily minority) men and women. It's so gross.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by mattgreenrocks on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:59PM (#37437080)
Gross is the perfect word here. “Traditional American values in college sports” means “we make the money, and lots of it. You (the athlete) get free exposure! Who do you think you are, getting your cut?”

I don’t know what it is about the current zeitgeist but people with power seem quite happy to vocalize their discontent with what they perceive as “lower classes” making decent money. It’s like they don’t even pretend anymore.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by banannaise on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:25PM (#37437392)
It's easy to lose sight of the fact that it's been like this for the vast majority of American history. The only change is the mechanism.

Usually they try to obscure this state of affairs. When the veil breaks, their backup plan is enforcement, first through threats and then through laws and then, if necessary, through violence. We appear to be mostly in the "threats" stage.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by watwut on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:51PM (#37437774)
Not actually, for majority of that time no one was earning from college sports.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by rschneid on Friday September 08, 2023 @07:12PM (#37440449)
This south park excerpt is... frighteningly realistic https://youtu.be/Z5ZZ8bO9-Ig
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by steveylang on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:25PM (#37439636)
Besides wanting to keep all the revenue, the NCAA talks up all that sanctimonious crap to justify their non-profit status so they don't have to pay taxes on it either.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by kristjansson on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:58PM (#37437059)
The amateur tradition in football was, at one point, strong enough that professional football was viewed as grubby and second class.

I'm sure that commissioner, like any reasonable person calling for a return to those traditions, is also calling for the abolition of the NFL, all volunteer coaches, and gratis, advertising-free broadcasts of all the games, right? Right?!

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by diracs_stache on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:21PM (#37437343)
Agreed, there was a long time when the olympics were for amateurs only.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by LanceH on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:30PM (#37437485)
> olympics were for amateurs only

For varying degrees of "amateur". A lot of nations employed their athletes to do nothing but train for the olympic and international competition.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by houseinthesky on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:53PM (#37437794)
That's actually why the amateur requirement was dropped.

The Soviet Union and other government-controlled-economy nations were sending essentially professional athletes to the Olympics while free-economy nations were sending amateurs. Removing the restriction allowed all nations to send their best athletes.

Ironically of course, there are some aristocratic motivations for why "amateur" was desirable in the first place that don't really align to modern sensibilities, but that's separate.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by dccoolgai on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:37PM (#37437585)
They basically ran one of the most beloved coaches in NCAA football - Jim Tressel at Ohio State - out of town. The reason? Because while these ghouls were profiting off of his players' NIL to the tune of millions per year, a couple of them had the gall to take a couple hundred bucks for themselves - and Tressel didn't do enough to "turn them in" proactively.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by onetimeusename on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:30PM (#37437491)
One thing I am bothered by is student athletes who don't even have to attend classes and have tutors do their work for them or there are special classes set up for them that guarantee an A.

I think the concept of a student athlete is an oxymoron at this point.[1][2] Either the sport really serves no purpose and could exist as a club or the student is not really a student at all and should just be a paid university employee like the coaches. But this inbetween area is odd. I guess the facade of being a student is more endearing maybe because otherwise the university sports team people cheer for is just a bunch of paid professionals basically. Maybe that would ruin the fun for people idk. Not sure I even care. It isn't right to treat some students different than others.

[1]: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/365303-cold-hard-fact-st...

[2]: https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/...

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by janalsncm on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:08PM (#37437190)
How about returning to the tradition of college sports being merely a recreational break from academics, where scholastic merit cannot be trumped by athletic ability, and where the highest paid employees of states are not football coaches?
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by bdw5204 on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:42PM (#37437637)
That actually exists. It's called Division 3 NCAA sports. There's no redshirting, no financial aid because you're good at sports and no making a profit from sports or paying coaches million dollar salaries in D3. The conferences are also based on where the colleges are geographically located. You just don't hear about D3 because their games usually aren't televised and 99.9% or so of their athletes actually go pro in something other than sports.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by pmyteh on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:49PM (#37439226)
And it's still massively more of a deal for spectators then academic sport in, say, the UK.

I spent a term as an exchange student at the Catholic University of America, a smallish university with a completely unexceptional D3 football programme staffed with actual students. And they got two thousand people to their football games! Much of the campus! Alumni! People who lived in Brookland and fancied some live sport!

I mean, I knew how seriously people take high school football too. But even really good UK university sport can play to an audience of the players supportive romantic partners only. A different (and quite refreshing) world.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by Ekaros on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:57PM (#37439322)
I think I would prefer the UK model for things like football. Where there is local community teams that are not limited just students, but larger age ranges. And then possibly also having kids programs.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by spacemadness on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:56PM (#37437041)
And then they’ll turn around and pay adjuncts a non-living wage to teach students at the University. Students who are paying thousands more than previous generations to learn. Greed and exploitation is given the thumbs up in many higher learning institutions.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by magic_man on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:20PM (#37437337)
Primarily young black men. Some of these coaches make 10s of millions of dollar and they are against paying the people who helped them make all this money. College football is the 2nd most popular sport behind the NFL.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by outside1234 on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:56PM (#37439876)
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38277849/mi...

The coaches are usually actually all for paying the athletes. It is the university MBAs who are running a business off the back of them all -- and interested in maximizing profit -- that usually aren't.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by Quillbert182 on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:21PM (#37437341)
The point here is not mainly focused on athletes ability to make money off of their work, although that is a part of it. The issue in this particular instance is that players are being bribed to switch teams.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by lozenge on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:27PM (#37437437)
The free market?
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by Quillbert182 on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:35PM (#37437555)
It's not supposed to be a job. It's supposed to be secondary to education. Admittedly, it's getting away from that, but I would like to hold on as long as possible.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by watwut on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:56PM (#37437838)
But it is not secondary to education and was not for years. It is primary thing they do and if they fail at sports, they loose education entirely.

Only difference is that money don't go to athletes.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by Quillbert182 on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:17PM (#37438126)
I might be misunderstanding you, but if athletes fail at sports, they do not loose the education. Once a scholarship is given to a player, it is not allowed to be taken away for performance. If a player is kicked off the team (barring something like discipline issues), they still get the scholarship.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by watwut on Saturday September 09, 2023 @04:00AM (#37443220)
You can loose athletic scholarship for performance or injury. There are some exceptions where athlete gets to keep them for four years. But generally, coach has a lot of power to not renew scholarship the next year.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by yCombLinks on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:19PM (#37438143)
Lol, getting away. That train pulled out decades ago
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by mikeyouse on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:05PM (#37437141)
If that was Greg Sankey, he made $3.7 million last year and the 5-year contract he just signed "substantially" increases his salary.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38005718/sec-...

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by Rebelgecko on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:19PM (#37437312)
I imagine he's actually being out-earned by some of top players' NIL deals.

I think it's a tricky situation. The previous NCAA rules were idiotic and unfair to players. The current situation is better for players, but I'm worried that we're moving towards a future where the best teams are just the ones with the deepest pockets (or whose boosters have the deepest pockets). Considering most teams are already unprofitable, it could further increase stratification between P5 and G5 teams.

Maybe CFB needs to implement a per-team salary cap.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by jabradoodle on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:23PM (#37437370)
Why should the workers wages be capped; why not cap how much money the team can make and tax the rest?
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by lotsofpulp on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:21PM (#37440058)
>Maybe CFB needs to implement a per-team salary cap.

Maybe schools should not be involved in professional sports in the first place, especially one that inherently causes brain damage.

Let the NFL owners pay for a minor league.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:07PM (#37437178)
It appears that NIL is referring to the "Name, Image, and Likeness" of the individual.

https://www.acronymfinder.com/Name%2c-Image%2c-and-Likeness-...

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by bell-cot on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:07PM (#37437174)
This is America, where being against-slavery-in-theory - but unable to reconcile that theory with the real-world property rights and financial interests of the slave owners - was an enormous legal and "moral" problem for a century or few.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by freitzkriesler2 on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:21PM (#37437344)
But they get paid with an education! /s

What I want to see is higher education have their tax free status stripped and their endowments taxed as a total percentage (like property tax).

Both for creating the student loan mess and for having this ridiculous sports system that uses athletes as chattel.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by bruceb on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:34PM (#37437547)
"that uses athletes as chattel."

There is no shortage of people who want to play college football. Many would play even with out a scholarship. Division 2 and Division 3 teams less than half the team is on scholarship. They are almost never on TV and there is very little chance they will make the NFL.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by dessimus on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:21PM (#37438184)
And yet when you see the Big Schools, like an Alabama or Clemson, playing much lower Division schools, those schools are getting a massive payout for that game, while their students get whooped, and not getting anything for the abuse other than experience.

That would be like a lower weight class boxer, say Canelo Álvarez taking on a fight with Tyson Fury (each in their respective class) for the "pay day", sure he may have a "puncher's chance" but few would consider it a fair fight.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by Ekaros on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:03PM (#37439395)
Actually why not franchise the whole thing? Have the players be paid athletes. Let the schools own the teams and spot in franchise league. Thus allow them to keep the brand and whatever goodwill there to extract money from students.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by Quillbert182 on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:36PM (#37437574)
Athletes are not forced to be play sports. They are there because they want to be. If they don't want to do it without pay, no one is making them do it.
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by fragmede on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:36PM (#37438362)
Just because no onehas a gun to their head, we shouldn't point out that the people doing the work aren't getting paid anywhere near what they're bricking

the ones that are getting paid? There's exploitation going on, in a rotten system, and

Athletes aren't forced to play sports any more than people are forced to work at McDonald's or Walmart.

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by fragmede on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:44PM (#37438469)
Just because no one has a gun to their head, we shouldn't point out that they're being exploited? We shouldn't try to change the system?

What's even the logic behind that? It's okay to mistreat people because they want to be an athlete over working at McDonald's?

Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by dessimus on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:02PM (#37437920)
Honestly, what's even more bullshit, is the schools' excuse: We need the money from Football and Basketball to fund the other sports. So: "Sorry Johnny, I know you've been busting your ass scoring TDs, and 100,000's of fans pay to see you play in-person and millions more on TV, but we need that money so the Tennis and Golf teams can afford scholarships and travel to go to their tournaments. But don't worry if you break your femur and can never play again, we'll rip away that scholarship so fast you'll never think it existed to give it to the next guy."
Re:The million-dollar hustle changing US sport by theironhammer on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:24PM (#37438943)
Time to Unionize and take it the Supreme Court.