It frankly doesn't seem like a deprecation in the traditional sense.

tools like ls or grep are certainly showing their age, but that has also been their strength. The POSIX ecosystem comes in many flavors but I can always depend on it.

It’s not like I can ever expect to shell into any arbitrary system or container and expect to have exa/lsd/rg or any of these nice replacements available to me. My tooling needs to be somewhat more portable.

Ah yes, because it's 100% impossible to learn new tools and fall back to the core ones when you need to. ;P

I've been doing this for decades now, it's just not that big of a deal.

   if [ -z "$(which exa)" ]
   then
     LS1='ls -1'
   else
     :
   fi
   ${LS1} ${SOME_DIR} | ... 

?

But if what the comment I replied to meant by "capable of maintaining them myself" was about having an organizational structure where they could become an official maintainer of the official project rather than needing to fork it if the owner becomes unavailable, then yep, that's a great point about these single-owner projects.

But my original interpretation was about the difficulty of maintaining the code. To me, these rust tools are a huge improvement in that way.

But in practice, the tooling for making those tools never got very good. (That is, in my opinion - there is at least one commenter here who replied to me about actually liking autotools, which is fair enough, just not my opinion.)

So while fully recognizing the value of the old tools that will always exist, for new useful tools, I'm very happy to see this renaissance of writing them in rust. In my opinion, it is much easier to build them, dig into their implementation, and contribute to them (especially without introducing security vulnerabilities or data races).

Where I do absolutely agree, and what I do wish for is that more of this were being done under the auspices of an organization, like how the `ls` most of us are using is likely maintained by either GNU or one of the BSD organizations.

After not noticing for months, because exa kept on wokring fine and still being more pleasant than `ls`. Oh noooooo.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Which ones gave you trouble?

A timeless tautology.

Some things just are easy and pleasant. Caddy server, Cargo, ripgrep come to mind. Some things are easy only once you've learned them. No kidding!

Agreed that cargo has bugs and I hope it improves over time (granted: it is not at all new). But say what you want about cargo, at least it's an ethos!

> I saw a book entitled "Die GNU Autotools" and I thought "My feelings exactly". Turns out the book was in German.

https://twitter.com/timmartin2/status/23365017839599616

gnu autotools i suppose works for some projects, but wow does it seem to be completely annoying to use.