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Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Saturday August 05, 2023 @07:34PM (#37017304)
I worked for a guy a decade ago who spent 8-10 years building a company to sell it for $300-400 million and he hasn't worked a day since. Owns a 30k acre ranch that a bunch of friends/family live on. Learjets. Villas in the islands, things like that. I can't think of one thing he hasn't done or is limited financially in doing. Last time I saw him he had a $120k watch on, some type of Hublot big bang.

And Pichai gets that yearly...

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by jvmfjvfjvf on Saturday August 05, 2023 @07:55PM (#37017462)
Why is that trash? I would love to drive and shoot a real tank as a civilian.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Saturday August 05, 2023 @07:58PM (#37017488)
His ranch is on the MX/TX border and he owns domains (to resell) such as roaches.com, illegal.com, molest.com, etc. Take with those what you will of the sort of person he is. That's just the few I remember otoh. He has hundreds.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by whatshisface on Saturday August 05, 2023 @07:59PM (#37017496)
One of those is not like the others (it's roaches.com).
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:04PM (#37017531)
Either I'm missing a joke or you need to travel more. Calling mexican immigrants roaches is a thing.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by toomanyrichies on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:31PM (#37017689)
My assumption was that it referred to this [1], but then I’m not a racist POS so maybe I’m out of the loop.

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roach_(smoking)

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:41PM (#37017749)
Yeah that's definitely not the situation here. I know the guy well.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by durumu on Saturday August 05, 2023 @09:07PM (#37017928)
Never heard that before either, but personally, I would prefer not to travel to wherever immigrants are called roaches.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by _a9 on Saturday August 05, 2023 @09:20PM (#37018011)
I haven't heard that word being used in years living around there and also being hispanic.

To me it just looks like parent is cherry-picking some domains to try and put words in their mouth.

If the person owns roaches.com out of hundreds of domains then you're going to try to make it racist so the owner looks racist?

I never understood why trying to make innocent things racist isn't considered racist itself.

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Saturday August 05, 2023 @09:34PM (#37018094)
lol Yeah you know more than me bud, because my initial intention clearly was to portray someone as a racist. it didn't just come up through organic conversation.

It's totally normal to own a domain like molest.com. Totes normal every day stuff. I'm totally crazy for cherrypicking a few! hehe!

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by hedora on Saturday August 05, 2023 @10:07PM (#37018278)
I’ve only heard of hispanic comedians using it in recent years:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/john-leguizamo-latinos...

I first heard that joke in a 1990’s standup routine, fwiw. It could have been the same person telling the joke, I guess.

Anyway, it used to actually be used by white american racists; it’s been weakened to just self deprecating humor, kind of like jewish comedians like to tell jew jokes.

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by kcplate on Saturday August 05, 2023 @11:55PM (#37018853)
Not unheard of to squat on domains to prevent them from being used for nefarious purposes. Not saying that is what he is doing, but unless he starts using them for racist purposes, I am not going to hold this against him.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:03PM (#37025388)
Literally nobody asked your opinion of how he uses his domains. But thanks for your sage response. Please continue playing devils advocate in situations you're completely ignorant toward. It really benefits everyone.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by dakial1 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @04:19PM (#37026196)
Redditization of HN is impressive. Kcplate comment is totally fair and relevant, but it seems Swozey does not care about fair and relevant...
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by satvikpendem on Sunday August 06, 2023 @04:30PM (#37026315)
Indeed, their entire comments on this thread are just passive aggressive and sarcastic insults, it's actually impressive how much anger there is. I noticed this Redditization as well, there are a lot of anti capitalist comments on HN recently which I don't remember seeing several years ago. For a discussion forum about startups and highly paid software engineers, they sure are surprised to see where their money comes from.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @07:45PM (#37028187)
Anti-capitalist comments on MY hn??? No WAYY! You got here in 2019 bud. HN was far more political and anti-capitalist in the beginning. This was a HACKER group, not a startup venture capitalist group.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by satvikpendem on Sunday August 06, 2023 @07:48PM (#37028220)
Do you think this account is my only account? I've had lots of throwaways in the years prior, I've been here well before you have, at least based on your current account date. It was not anti-capitalist in the beginning, it was always made as a startup forum, no matter what the name of the site says.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @08:08PM (#37028346)
LOL sorry darkmodeguy, I didn't consider that you might have multiple hackernews accounts. That's totally normal bro! And it's totally normal for me to know you have had multiple older HN accounts but NOT for you to assume that I have also had multiple older HN accounts. Having "multiple throwaways over the years" is totes normal. Absolute genius!

Will HN ever let us block people?

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @07:37PM (#37028121)
LOL "reddization of HN." I've been on HN for years before you. Maybe commenters should listen to the OPs better and stop playings devils advocate so much. Because especially in this specific scenario it is absolutely stupid.

Yeah, we've got a guy with essentially a right wing militia fortress on the border of TX who owns blatantly illegal-immigrant racist trope domains and it's not related at all. Some engineer who commonly talks infrastructure is just making all of this up because he's bored on HN this weekend. Who wouldn't squat on such gems as "molest.com" to keep them from being used?

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by kcplate on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:51PM (#37029490)
> Some engineer who commonly talks infrastructure is just making all of this up because he's bored on HN this weekend.

Well, it is the internet after all.

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by kcplate on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:16PM (#37029244)
Apparently you are unaware of how these sort of commenting forums work. Bless your heart.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by paulryanrogers on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:01PM (#37017510)
- Ecological impact

- finances that could feed/house/treat people

- reinforces militant/gun culture

- wear on roads

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by roenxi on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:16PM (#37017608)
While we're on it, can we get some negative energy for holidays in general? It bugs me that most people have no savings and then we have people just swanning around burning resources for fun. The waste of drawing hard-working people into the tourism sector when they could be working on improving their own communities directly is just appalling. Let alone the environmental damage caused by the travel and the lost productivity from people literally just having fun.

Am I being sarcastic? Not even I am sure. The arguments are truthful. But the fairest way to organise things is that people who made a big economic contribution (represented by money) should be allowed to waste a similar-magnitude-but-smaller amount of resources. That is, ironically, the path to prosperity.

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:23PM (#37017644)
Did you see the backlash the Kardashians got over COVID and flying all their friends to private islands? It was pretty entertaining.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by Quarrelsome on Saturday August 05, 2023 @07:57PM (#37017486)
can we argue carbon footprint?
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by jvmfjvfjvf on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:06PM (#37017547)
A tank is 1 mpg. I am guessing they are not driving more than 1 or 2 miles on an excursion. This is hardly harmful to the environment compared to other entertainment options.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by DropInIn on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:13PM (#37017592)
A quick Google shows 0.6 mpg....

Imma call for a citation from ya

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by amelius on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:15AM (#37021568)
At least they are not launching space rockets.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by bin_bash on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:11PM (#37017577)
that tank thing isn't a great example, even blue collar folk could pretty easily afford some of them. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than a Disneyland hotel!
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:13PM (#37017587)
It's on a $50million dollar ranch, dude. Where are you shooting your new blue collar tank? Your backyard?
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by jjtheblunt on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:47PM (#37017799)
what was this company he sold for so much?
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by bratao on Saturday August 05, 2023 @09:14PM (#37017969)
HostGator
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Saturday August 05, 2023 @09:17PM (#37017987)
That's incredibly impolite but I don't really care. In the future there might be reasons people don't directly name call something that should be a huge hint for you to not do it yourself to them. You aren't swooping in like a white knight answering some searing question, you're potentially throwing someone under the bus, CTO guy. You should know better.

You literally added it after I posted my own response. I hope you're proud answering the $10mil question when I clearly wasn't going to.

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by Forgotthepass8 on Saturday August 05, 2023 @09:44PM (#37018164)
Why are you afraid to name companies?
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Saturday August 05, 2023 @09:52PM (#37018208)
You literally just read my previous comment and went "hmm, lets ask him to expound?" My god, some people.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by ffhhttt on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:11AM (#37021538)
But you didn’t really say anything besides it being ‘impolite’.. which is rarely the best reason to not do something
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @02:57PM (#37025324)
I don't know where your sense of entitlement is coming from, but first off, I don't owe you any information whatsoever. Not to mention the name of the company is absolutely irrelevant to the conversation we were having before you involved yourself literally only asking this question. I hoped, apparently wrongly, that someone could infer from me not bringing the name up myself that maybe I don't want to be associated with said place. I owe you nothing, welcome to hn.

People have their reasons for disclosing or not disclosing things. You aren't entitled to know why, by any means. You're a 32point 2 month old HN account who has literally nothing personal listed about yourself, whilst people like me do have personal things listed. Move off, bud. I owe you absolutely nothing and I have my reasons for whatever I say. And you are not entitled to a how, why or anything else about my reasoning.

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by satvikpendem on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:40PM (#37025765)
Yes looking at someone's profile before replying is sure to get them on your side, keep it up!
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @04:04PM (#37026027)
I didn't for one second ask for you you be on my side so fuck right off
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by satvikpendem on Sunday August 06, 2023 @04:31PM (#37026322)
You sure showed me.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by dang on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:20PM (#37029680)
You also broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. Please don't get sucked into tit-for-tat flamewars, regardless of how bad some other comments are or you feel they are. That's also not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by dang on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:19PM (#37029678)
Whoa - you've broken the site guidelines badly and repeatedly in this thread. We ban accounts that do that, and your posts have been well over the bannable line.

I'm not going to ban you because fortunately it doesn't look like you've made a habit of this in the past. That's good—but please go back to posting substantive, respectful things and don't veer in this direction again. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by Forgotthepass8 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @05:41PM (#37027132)
you seem pretty mad about people naming companies, this isn't airing dirty laundry these are things they did in the public square.

Do you feel your hands are dirty or something?

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by satvikpendem on Saturday August 05, 2023 @10:07PM (#37018283)
This is a weird response, it's not like it's not public information, there's nothing "impolite" about it.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:36PM (#37025734)
lol Darkmode boy thinks I give a singular shit about his opinion of my response
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by satvikpendem on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:39PM (#37025758)
That'll show 'em.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:55PM (#37025933)
Bro, satvik. I'm happy to hear your responses and learn from you but you're literally just attacking me at this point. It's absolutely hilarious. You think you're going to take me down or something weird. I'm trying so hard to take this seriously because you think you're going to post a tweet and get me nuked from society.

I'm looking at your previous posts and trying to find things that aren't "zero to hero" type javascript messages.

There's a gem 4 months ago that is "Why would you be hiring? Writing a backend is really not that hard if you already know the front end.." " and anyway it's good to be able able to do both sides" ..

Are you trying to learn, prove yourself, or what? What's the end goal here? Most of us write code to pay rent and buy cars. What are you trying to do?

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by satvikpendem on Sunday August 06, 2023 @04:25PM (#37026265)
Buddy, HostGator employee, I honestly have no idea what you're even talking about, regarding trawling through posts I've made and trying to find "gems", whatever that means. Seems you get easily aggressive towards anyone that challenges your comments, in this thread and others, telling people to "fuck off", that "literally nobody asked for their opinion" (on a public forum) and trying to find some gotcha in their posts, as if that means anything. All I said to you was that your response was weird and you immediately start popping off about being asked for an opinion, on a public forum. I don't care about you, much less "take you down," lol. You're the one who immediately started spouting personal insults after people calmly commented, so if you can't handle people commenting, get some anger management classes and perhaps step off, king.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @07:20PM (#37027991)
LOL this is absolute gold.

You are so out of your element and just absolutely lost. I'm obviously not a HG employee. You challenged my comment? You weren't even part of the conversation. Your challenge was not understanding a modicum of politeness when someone is referring to an old business they worked for and might not want to be associated with so they give vague references that make it blatantly clear they don't want bring it up? This is easy in your stead because you have literally worked for no one that anyone cares about or has any interest in whatsoever.

If you were on hn throwing some spicy tea out for people to read, if you had EVER worked for anywhere that actually MADE spicy tea- you'd get my drift.

"This is a weird response, it's not like it's not public information, there's nothing "impolite" about it."

This is literally one of the most ignorant responses I've ever, ever seen on HN. Nothing I said was public information. and I clearly didn't want to expound. Take the fucking hint.

Anyway, take it easy bud.

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Saturday August 05, 2023 @08:55PM (#37017858)
A webhost that was encroaching on godaddy popularity back then (nowhere near that now)
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by jjtheblunt on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:22AM (#37022269)
Thanks
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by Fatnino on Sunday August 06, 2023 @08:58AM (#37021427)
There really needs to be an upper limit on how much wealth a person is allowed to amass.

Half a billion seems fair. After that the tax bracket needs to be taxed at 100%

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by mathverse on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:27AM (#37021678)
That's impossible because that amount of money is not to buy material things but influence. It's a circular problem with no solution.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by scaramanga on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:33AM (#37021744)
Throwing them down a well would solve it, no?

If throwing them down a well would solve it, then can you think of a less extreme solution, like for example, sitting them down to let them know that they have to give up their political power?

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by firecall on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:12AM (#37021546)
No, we need to fix the mechanisms that have allowed so much wealth to accrued by individuals.

Companies need to be taxed correctly. They need to give back to the societies that built the social structures that allowed them to be created and thrive.

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by mathverse on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:33AM (#37021735)
I would somehow tax inactive capital. Capital that is not directly invested in a company or pays for employees. Everything laying around or on the stock market should be heavily taxed.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:19AM (#37022894)
That doesn't change the ownership problem. This solution could still allow for a a handful of people to own everything because they would be invested in, and therefore have ownership of, all of the companies.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by satvikpendem on Sunday August 06, 2023 @04:23PM (#37026233)
The stock market is for directly investing in companies...
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by Aerbil313 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @06:12PM (#37027433)
Islam bans stock markets and interest (though not all current so-called muslim countries) and every person who is rich (who have more than 87 grams of gold worth of things) is obliged to donate %2.5 of their total wealth to the poor every year. In Muslim countries, the state collects and distributes this, so it's effectively a tax. Necessities of life (shelter etc.) are excluded from total value calculation. Muslim countries traditionally took away land of people who didn't utilize it for 3 consecutive years, though idk whether this is rooted in the religion itself.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by dizhn on Sunday August 06, 2023 @08:35PM (#37028531)
That's probably state land and regular people are not allowed to own land. If they don't work it, it gets transferred to someone else.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by Aerbil313 on Monday August 07, 2023 @07:27AM (#37033019)
Yeah, right iirc.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by amelius on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:13AM (#37021557)
It's also better for society, because it incentivizes people who produce more than average to keep producing. There's an optimum somewhere.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by geraldhh on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:55AM (#37021942)
i guess the ammount of contribution to scociety by ppl that got access to fuck you money is vastly overstated due to market economics
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by refurb on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:25AM (#37021653)
Why do half a billion?

Let's make it $500,000. Nobody needs more than that.

Right? I'm being serious. You can live a luxurious life on $500,000 per year.

Oh wait, well compensated tech people make more than that, so let's pick a higher number!

"A rich person is someone who makes more than me"

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by robinson7d on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:16PM (#37025514)
But they were talking about total wealth amassed, net worth, while you say “per year” as in income. Completely different metrics.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by refurb on Monday August 07, 2023 @07:10AM (#37032891)
Ok, then make the maximum wealth you can accrue $3M. You can live a very nice life on that.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by Fatnino on Monday August 07, 2023 @10:17AM (#37034779)
That barely gets you into a normal house in the bay area.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by refurb on Monday August 07, 2023 @09:13PM (#37043203)
Just like nobody needs more than $5M, nobody needs to live in the Bay Area.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by para_parolu on Sunday August 06, 2023 @07:53PM (#37028246)
I think $100000 wealth is fair. Most of people in the world doesn’t have that amount. Why to go upper?
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by refurb on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:24AM (#37021646)
Drive a tank?

That's absolutely awesome

Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by ljlolel on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:39AM (#37021801)
Wow, the address of that Tank website is Uvalde Texas where that horrendous shooting happened
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:06PM (#37025412)
Yeah it's Uvalde. Uvalde is a very weird place compared to most USA town/cities. The people who live IN Uvalde proper are mostly hispanic and bracing the poverty level and work on the ranches or schools of people with tens/hundreds of millions who own 10-50k acre ranches out there and are just generally worth mega millions.
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by geraldhh on Sunday August 06, 2023 @09:58AM (#37021966)
can you divulge any info on the company in question?
Re:CEOs’ pay climbed before layoffs at tech giants like Alph... by swozey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @03:14PM (#37025501)
I mean what info are you looking for? I don't want to be associated with this company at all. I don't even have it on my resume, it's embarassing. I'm also not going to put myself into a situation where I've potentially got a guy worth $300+ million after me.