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Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by kidfiji on Thursday July 13, 2023 @06:30PM (#36717027)
This isn't running in real-time, per note from the creator in the YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BP7DhHTU-I):

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Would like to clarify a few things:

- This build does NOT run in real time. It runs on MCHPRS, the server developed by StackDoubleFlow, which speeds up the game roughly 10-20,000x while running redstone. That brings the framerate to a much more reasonable 0.1fps, so the long timelapses in the video only took 9 hours to record in total.

- The world download currently in the description is non-functional for two reasons: in order to prevent content thieves such as Steveee immediately stealing it and making a profit, and also because Uwerta and I are currently improving the GUI system to be more similar to normal Minecraft (there's some dissimilarity in how items are moved around in the inventory). I'll update this comment when we release a functional download.

- If you want to learn more about how it works, a brief explanation video is in the description, and that one has links to all the documentation including flowcharts for the GPU and other hardware, and the entire (commented) program itself.

Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by 0cf8612b2e1e on Thursday July 13, 2023 @08:21PM (#36717879)
Who or what is Steveee?
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by bloqs on Thursday July 13, 2023 @08:40PM (#36718029)
This comment is pasted from the YT comments. It seems Steveee is the latest in a long line of the most common type of content creator: a minecraft youtuber. He seems to just rehash other channels content and profits to the tune of 3.8m subs
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by sbuttgereit on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:12PM (#36718628)
https://youtu.be/EuC6kIxpyj0

This video talks about Steveee and some others; casual Minecrafters, such as myself can get great benefit in the game by following tutorials, seeing others builds, etc. Naturally, some people make a living developing and making this content (or a little on the side at least.) The low hanging fruit for someone without scruples is just to copy the content outright or the design... Then they can focus their time on publicizing their channel instead of the hard work of original content creation.

It should be noted that using other's work, such as copying a design, is considered generally OK by the community so long as you credit where you got the design from with reasonable prominence.

Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by GoofballJones on Thursday July 13, 2023 @06:57PM (#36717238)
"Yo, dawg. I heard you like Minecraft..."
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by kingrazor on Thursday July 13, 2023 @07:50PM (#36717648)
Not sure why you were downvoted. I laughed.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by jaimex2 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @08:38PM (#36718011)
You get downvoted here if you don't post a thesis exploring the philosophical intricacies of the topic at hand.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by xk_id on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:40PM (#36718426)
Good! There are enough alternatives on today’s internet where you can go to meme and shitpost, if you are so inclined.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by GoofballJones on Wednesday July 19, 2023 @03:25PM (#36791843)
I don't know, I thought it was totally apropos. They're playing Mincraft inside of Minecraft. I'm just surprised it wasn't the very first thing commented.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by charcircuit on Thursday July 13, 2023 @07:18PM (#36717397)
(2022)
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by johnea on Thursday July 13, 2023 @07:19PM (#36717408)
It's Minecraft all the down...
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by lostmsu on Thursday July 13, 2023 @07:22PM (#36717430)
Up too.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by smrtinsert on Thursday July 13, 2023 @07:50PM (#36717650)
Chance of being in base minecraft just decreased substantially
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by bitterblotter on Friday July 14, 2023 @07:28AM (#36722356)
Minecrafts all the day down
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by collsni on Thursday July 13, 2023 @08:06PM (#36717761)
Running restone at 20,000 times speed
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by hext on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:35PM (#36718395)
I feel like I’ve seen this headline at least 20 times over the last 5 years.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by rc5150 on Monday July 17, 2023 @02:46PM (#36762319)
probably trying to capitalize on the popularization of the full computer built in Terraria recently.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by xk_id on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:43PM (#36718448)
What i like about this sort of stuff is that it demonstrates how there is an uninterrupted sequence of deterministic layers, that leads from the empirical laws of the physical (or virtual physical) environment, through engineered hardware mechanics, and finally to software.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by lolinder on Thursday July 13, 2023 @10:25PM (#36718732)
Heavily discussed at the time:

1Hz CPU made in Minecraft running Minecraft at 0.1fps [video] (872 points, 154 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32901461

Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by imwillofficial on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:02PM (#36718982)
Can it play doom?
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by iliaznk on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:04AM (#36720022)
From the description of the video:

And yes, we will run DOOM on this hardware at some point, but projects such as these take a long time to create! After all, we are only 3 people working on this in our free time. Have patience until then :)

Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by imwillofficial on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:12PM (#36727779)
Missed that, thanks!
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by elibailey on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:13PM (#36719064)
I found the Terraria version more impressive: https://youtu.be/zXPiqk0-zDY
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by Stevvo on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:31AM (#36719507)
They are both incredible creations in their own right, but Terraria is certainly a more impressive game so I think it makes a better platform for it.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by dannersy on Friday July 14, 2023 @01:03AM (#36719675)
Wow. This guy is going places.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by WastingMyTime89 on Friday July 14, 2023 @01:54AM (#36719968)
I agree but I think that’s because the Terraria presentation focuses more on all the things done outside of Terraria rather than the game itself.

It feels more like "I wanted to do something silly with arbitrary constraints and it made me encounter all these fun issues and build these interesting workarounds."

Meanwhile, Minecraft videos are too often “Look at the cool thing you can do in Minecraft” which you like me probably don’t care about.

Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by shmerl on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:01AM (#36719336)
Did they actually write a Minecraft-like game for that Chungus 2?
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by iliaznk on Friday July 14, 2023 @02:04AM (#36720024)
Looks like it.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by downboots on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:06AM (#36719370)
A project about building Earth in Minecraft was posted months back. It raises a question of how much of Earth we can model (as in approximation complexity, not state space complexity) with our computing today. To what level of resolution and expanse. With a threshold when the computer starts modeling itself. Is there proper terminology for these? Surely it must have already been thought of.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by NoZebra120vClip on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:53AM (#36719610)
Does Minecraft have warping at the boundaries? Or would the model be a flat Earth, if you'll pardon the expression.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by lionkor on Friday July 14, 2023 @03:54AM (#36720702)
A flat Earth would be the "Minecraft way" of doing it. One could imagine building an actual 3D Earth, but it wouldn't be very large as the game probably isn't supposed to go NxNxN instead of NxNx512 or whatever the limit is.

Doing it flat, the only limit is the hardware.

Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by gregjw on Friday July 14, 2023 @06:05AM (#36721808)
IIRC they split it across numerous maps and the parent server they build on swaps between servers based on the region you're visiting or working on.

It's not just one big Minecraft map, but several stitched together.

Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by 7373737373 on Friday July 14, 2023 @06:59AM (#36722171)
> With a threshold when the computer starts modeling itself

That's a fascinating comment

It would be great to have a list of systems where this already happened. With most neural nets, since they don't ever perceive the effects of their outputs on the world (only the effects of the last version perhaps, say GPT4 seeing/learning about GPT3 output and its effects on the internet), but for some reinforcement learning agents some level of self-awareness might have already occurred.

Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by zimpenfish on Friday July 14, 2023 @08:51AM (#36723235)
Default Java Minecraft has a limit of 59999744 x 59999744 x 384.

Going off "510M sq/km" for the Earth's surface area, that gives you about 7 blocks per sq/m. You could drop down to 2x2 blocks per sq/m to give you a 50cm resolution (good enough, I reckon).

But the vertical resolution is awful. Sticking to ~sea level and modelling Everest, you'd get 23m/block which is useless for most things building-wise. If you wanted the Mariana Trench as well, you're down to 50m/block.

(You can change these in your `server.properties` but I've no idea what breaks.)

Bedrock is default 60000000 x 60000000 x 60000000 which gives you the 50cm horizontal resolution and (I think) ~0.3mm resolution vertically.

Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by robotnikman on Friday July 14, 2023 @01:08PM (#36726770)
I think bedrock has the same vertical limit of 384 and java minecraft iirc
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by zimpenfish on Friday July 14, 2023 @03:46PM (#36728984)
Perhaps for building? But it sounds like the coordinate system fully supports +-30M[1].

[1] https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/World_boundary

Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by reportgunner on Friday July 14, 2023 @04:18AM (#36720874)
Wait until they find out about recursion then.
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by danilo2010 on Friday July 14, 2023 @04:22AM (#36720913)
Msije
Re:Someone crafted a redstone PC in Minecraft to play Minecr... by codeulike on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:22AM (#36721463)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner-platform_effect

Clearly an anti-pattern, so clearly these guys have no idea what they are doing

/s