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Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by toomuchtodo on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:12PM (#36462697)
But this provides interesting signal: under certain circumstances, Putin is willing to flee via private aircraft for safety. Whether intentional or not, stimulus and response has been observed.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by lockhouse on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:30PM (#36462823)
To be clear, that is the established protocol for the commander and chief of most militaries. That’s why such a big deal was made when Zelensky didn’t leave Kyiv despite advancing Russian forces. If there was a credible threat to President Biden he would be on Air Force One immediately.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:01PM (#36463451)
A lot of effort was made to make it look like Zelenskyy didn’t leave Kiev. https://youtu.be/5txQHyYQkkI

The media posturing around him is ridiculous. They always put him in those sweaty green fatigues as if I’m supposed to believe any time he’s giving a speech on camera, he didn’t have time to get into something more befitting of a president because moments before he was blasting at Russians on the front lines or something.

It’s hilarious how everyone eats this up.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by piva00 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:13PM (#36463542)
Woah, you're really gatekeeping how a president should look like in the middle of war?

Or worse, complaining that his image is unpresidential?

What the actual fuck?

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:18PM (#36463592)
I sure am. Because it’s obvious propaganda.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by Shaanie on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:24PM (#36463631)
Is there anyone who thinks that the way a president dresses and acts isn't propaganda?.. It's not exactly some huge revelation.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:40PM (#36463753)
Exactly. Makes it all the more ridiculous when people take Zelenskyy’s look at face value.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by signatoremo on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:33PM (#36464079)
Such a strange take. Of course any public appearance of any government head is propaganda. If propaganda ever has a value, it’s the assured image of a commander in chief in the war time, when the troop have to face a stronger enemy who outnumber them. They need to know their leader is there with them. It’s a matter of survival for Ukraine. Do you think a well shaved Zelenskyy in impeccable suits, sitting behind long table — like Putin — is more suitable?

What do you think all of Prigozhin’s videos are?

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:54PM (#36464179)
In a way, yes I would find it more plausible if Zelenskyy looked like the trope of president should look like.

I sincerely would have been more likely to believed that Putin is ran evil warmonger, and that Zelenskyy is a paragon, if it wasn’t the case there was so much of this top-down pressure in the US to make sure people don’t accidentally pick the wrong side to root for.

If I saw that the facts were plainly speaking for themselves I would believe them. But they aren’t, so I have to be very critical.

I understand the need for this propaganda in Ukraine for the sake of Ukrainians. I don’t understand why in the US, Ukrainian propaganda has a state sanctioned monopoly over Russian propaganda.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by piva00 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:01AM (#36467307)
I still don't understand your take, you are very wary of Ukrainian propaganda because the US supports it. So look at the facts: Russia invaded a neighbouring country, butchered civilians, hazed cities.

Your take on propaganda because a president of a country being invaded doesn't dress the part you expect is seriously bizarre. You're not being critical, you are being cynical.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:32AM (#36467538)
Zelenskyy dressing a certain way and standing in front of a green screen to look like he is in Kiev was just one thing that came to mind specifically because the poster I was responding to was talking about how Zelenskyy was so unique for doing this.

Since that was the aspect of the propaganda that was relevant at the moment, that’s what I focused on. But it is a tiny part of the whole, and yes on its own I agree that it appears quite trivial and inconsequential. But when mass media (including new media) ceaselessly bombards the entire population with tiny things like this over the course of years, then it has a very real and drastic effect. And most nefarious of all, because this kind of propoganda is ever present and so subtle, it is almost invisible. And when you do point out any one of its many aspects you get responses exactly like this: that it is trivial and inconsequential and why don’t I just get with the program, and isn’t it obvious there’s good guys and there’s bad guys and isn’t it obvious who is who.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by piva00 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:52PM (#36473486)
> and why don’t I just get with the program, and isn’t it obvious there’s good guys and there’s bad guys and isn’t it obvious who is who.

And this is the cynical post-modernist post-truth part that I criticise about your position. It's just a doubt of everything, of what's even real, and so you are just playing your part of the propaganda that made you think that way. The issue in post-truth is that your take is just another parroted version of "what's even real?". Even on this case, where it's pretty clear who are the bad guys, you prefer to be cynical and not even believe what your eyes can see.

You've been bombarded by subtle or overt propaganda your whole life, by governments and corporations. It's not by being cynical that you are somehow better than others or not being influenced by it, you aren't immune to it by believing nothing. Or by being a contrarian.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:18PM (#36473662)
I think my stance is the total opposite of post modernist. I believe exactly what I can verify myself. Either with my own eyes or through real life people that I know personally and know how far I can trust. There is no reason to believe anything else.

There is no reason to believe anything in the media. Anyone who doesn’t suffer from Gell-Mann amnesia should know this is the right stance, it’s not even necessary to believe that it’s all propaganda to reach this conclusion.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by piva00 on Monday June 26, 2023 @03:33AM (#36476793)
This is the stance of post-truth, exactly one aspect of post-modernism.

Even more because you won't ever be able to verify every single piece of information yourself, you don't have access to all the data possible to verify it. You don't have access to people.

Again, you not trusting anything is the result of falling for propaganda that told you that nothing is trustworthy.

Are you going to reproduce every single scientific experiment to be able to verify them? Are you going to travel to every single place that has news about to interview people yourself and get your own conclusions? Nope, you just don't believe anything, you went to the extreme cynicism side.

It's impossible to achieve what you wrote, it's a lie you tell yourself because it's uncomfortable to trust, there's no truth except your own and that is... Very, very post-modern.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bandyaboot on Saturday June 24, 2023 @10:12PM (#36464564)
It’s not like he’s traipsing around in full combat kit. The look he has chosen is probably meant to convey that 1: we’re at war (regardless of what conditions might be like at your particular location), and 2: I’m not living a pampered lifestyle while you’re sitting in the cold and the dark under threat of missile and drone attack. (Whether that’s true or not is beside the point)
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by mensetmanusman on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:05PM (#36464243)
What should he wear so that no one thinks it's propaganda?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by hsjqllzlfkf on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:34PM (#36463699)
Are you blaming the weaker country for doing what it can? You people are unconscionable.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by DougEiffel on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:27PM (#36463654)
Seems logical that he would use a green screen whether he was in Ukraine or not.

Very start of an invasion doesn't feel like a great time to be broadcasting your exact location. Also maybe not a great time to be doing outtakes in the open streets.

I don't have a whole lot of information to say whether he actually stayed or not. I assume there would be a ton of credible evidence in one direction or the other - photos, videos, etc. But either way, I'm just saying that I could definitely understand the need for a professional studio and obfuscation of location.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by lockhouse on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:33PM (#36463690)
Yup, I assume faked backdrops are pretty common among politicians.

Again, President Biden has used a fake Oval Office several times:

https://www.newsweek.com/why-white-house-built-fake-oval-off...

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by detaro on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:15PM (#36463568)
could be worse, he could be wearing a tan suit or a sweater /s
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by richk449 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:30PM (#36463673)
At least part of the point is recognizing that this was a credible threat to Putin.

What would it take for the US president to leave Washington DC though? Obviously a real possibility of nuclear war. What else though?

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by lockhouse on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:37PM (#36463728)
I think 9/11 did. Granted President George W. Bush was famously reading a book to school children when it happened, but I believe he stayed Airborne on Air Force One for several additional hours as a precaution.

Also President Madison evacuated Washington, DC during the War of 1812.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by csomar on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:27AM (#36465339)
Covid. Trump left for the mountains during the pandemic.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by ChatGTP on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:20PM (#36463983)
If there was a credible threat to President Biden he would be on Air Force One immediately.

Where would he go? Australia ?

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by civilitty on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:30PM (#36464064)
Depends on where the threat is coming from, obviously.

There's the Pentagon, Raven Rock Mountain Complex, Mount Weather Emergency Operations Center, Cheyenne Mountain Complex, the Greenbrier bunker, the Peters Mountain facility, 33 Thomas Street, nearly a dozen aircraft carriers, Camp David, and god knows how many military bases.

Or he could just board the doomsday fleet of E-4Bs and stay in the air ("Airborne Command Center")

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by ChatGTP on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:35PM (#36464090)
I mean, the Pentagon doesn’t sound like being on airforce one ?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tekknik on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:14AM (#36479904)
You’re not suggesting AF1 can actually land on a carrier are you?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by civilitty on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:35PM (#36486202)
Marine One. Which is likely how the President would get from the White House to AF1 in the first place, if that were the getaway plan.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tekknik on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @12:29AM (#36582248)
Yea marine one could, fair enough.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by mensetmanusman on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:51PM (#36464170)
Nebraska
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by mhb on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:57PM (#36464200)
Red Lobster
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by dredmorbius on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:01PM (#36464225)
COOP / PPD-40

Government Continuity of Operations:

Continuity of Operations (COOP) is a United States federal government initiative, required by U.S. Presidential Policy Directive 40 (PPD-40), to ensure that agencies are able to continue performance of essential functions under a broad range of circumstances. PPD-40 specifies certain requirements for continuity plan development, including the requirement that all federal executive branch departments and agencies develop an integrated, overlapping continuity capability, that supports the eight National Essential Functions (NEFs) described in the document.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_governme...>

See also:

Post Attack Command and Control System: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Attack_Command_and_Contro...>

United States Continuity of Operations Facilities: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Continuity_of_Op...>

<https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/pdd/pdd-67.htm>

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by scottLobster on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:22PM (#36464333)
Depending on the circumstances he may stay in the air until the threat was resolved. Assuming the US tanker fleet isn't wiped out Air Force One and its escorts can stay aloft indefinitely and act as a command center for the military. That's the plan in case of nuclear war.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by ceejayoz on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:24PM (#36464345)
> Where would he go?

Nowhere. AF1 can be refueled in the air indefinitely, and carries enough food and water for several days. You ground civilian traffic and shoot down anything non-military in the air; nothing's getting to you.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by paxys on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:22PM (#36462760)
Another signal - a sparsely equipped army of a few thousand can march in from Ukraine and take Moscow in a matter of hours, facing minimal resistance. Regardless of the outcome I’m sure NATO has been taking detailed notes.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by TeMPOraL on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:30PM (#36462820)
This I don't think is very surprising. Unless the defense expects it and has time to prepare, the speeds achievable by military vehicles, especially combined with well-developed road infrastructure of modern urbanized countries, means that the attacker can easily cover large distances fast.

In other words: APCs on a highway are not that different from intercity buses, and highways are designed to let you cross the country quickly.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tguvot on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:41PM (#36462894)
russian army did try to slow him down from the air. but they managed to take down 6 helicopters and one airplane (flying command center). all the army/etc on his way was simply surrendering
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by TeMPOraL on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:45PM (#36462925)
Right. It would've been a different story if the Russian army treated them as enemy - their air forces could've stopped the convoy dead at any point of their choosing.

Highways let you move fast only as long as they're intact and no one is shooting at you; otherwise, they make you an easy target. Russian army experienced that first-hand in the first two months of their invasion of Ukraine.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tguvot on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:50PM (#36462960)
>Right. It would've been a different story if the Russian army treated them as enemy - their air forces could've stopped the convoy dead at any point of their choosing.

my point was that they tried and they failed. wagner has a bunch of manpads and few pantsir sam systems. they tried to bomb them on highway from planes but missed and kill civilians in track. they also tried to shoot at them missles at voronezh but blew up some petrol refinary. they also tried to bomb some bridge to block road to moscow - but also missed

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by TeMPOraL on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:54PM (#36462990)
Is this confirmed? I stayed away from the news firehose this time, and only followed BBC live reporting, and IIRC there was no confirmation there of any bombing attempt, successful or otherwise.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tguvot on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:59PM (#36463027)
there are videos of helis shooting refinery and planes bombing bridge (followed by video of somebody driving near the bridge and holes in highway or near it). about track on highway - there are videos of it burning with commentary that plane try to bomb wagner convoy but missed
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tetromino_ on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:58PM (#36464504)
> they also tried to shoot at them missles at voronezh but blew up some petrol refinary

No, I believe the oil refinery got blown up by a Wagner surface to air missile. The Wagners were trying to shoot down a federal Ka-52, the helicopter successfully deployed countermeasures, and the missile flew off target into the backstop - which happened to be a refinery.

There are two videos of the event from different angles circulating on telegram, it's pretty clear.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tguvot on Saturday June 24, 2023 @10:41PM (#36464712)
the reports were saying that wagners camped at refinery and helis tried to shoot at them. either way, helis definitely weren't there on behalf of santa claus with early presents delivery
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by jjtheblunt on Saturday June 24, 2023 @11:59PM (#36465031)
Where on telegram?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by jhartwig on Sunday June 25, 2023 @10:40AM (#36468625)
If that was the video I saw yesterday.... wow. That pilot should be thanking every god from every belief. That missle just barely missed him.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by pixl97 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:43PM (#36462911)
I can only imagine in the US that if we could not use aircraft directly on the convoy, say they have very good air defense, we'd have dumped the bridges on the interstates in less than a day.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by TeMPOraL on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:53PM (#36462977)
Yes, and I'm pretty sure Russia could do that too - if they were getting Blitzkrieged by some outside enemy force. Here, it was a theoretically friendly and small force, that suddenly turned around and drove towards Moscow. Given how much damage blowing up bridges and highways would do to the country, and somewhat unclear threat from the approaching mercenaries, I don't think anyone on the defense side considered dropping a bridge on the highway to be a reasonable move.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by hurflmurfl on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:20PM (#36463162)
From what I've heard (personal hearsay, got no independent sources), some excavators were sent to ruin highways.

Edit: here's a link but this is not on the main highway. Unsure of the scale of this "operation" and if this was ordered from top brass or local initiative.

https://meduza.io/news/2023/06/24/v-lipetskoy-oblasti-gde-na...

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tguvot on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:41PM (#36463289)
they did bomb one of their own bridges (there is a video). and there were rumors that they plan to blow up few more
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by hutzlibu on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:03PM (#36463063)
"I don't think anyone on the defense side considered dropping a bridge on the highway to be a reasonable move."

It surely was considered. I can imagine in the state of panic even tactical nukes were considered, but sure, not reasonable.

But if Wagner forces would have actually pushed through, then they definitely would have blown up bridges, if the alternative would have been Moscow under siege or house to house fighting.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by AbrahamParangi on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:27PM (#36464043)
To be clear though, there is no convoy on earth that the US Air Force can’t strike.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tekknik on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:16AM (#36479925)
The Afghans would like a word with you.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tomatotomato37 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:22PM (#36463168)
Yeah if aliens for some reason wanted an invasion of the US homeland by zombie mindcontrolling the army of one other country (and had some way to negate nukes) their best chance wouldn't be China or the EU but Canada and Mexico, just because of the developed land transport infrastructure between the countries
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by maxander on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:30PM (#36462829)
It’s not news to anyone that NATO could win a (conventional) war with Russia. The important result is that any sizable chunk of military force in Russia itself stands a good chance of it.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by psychphysic on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:40PM (#36462890)
I wonder if the chance of tactical nuclear weapons being used would go up in a Russian civil war.

Especially if there's been reports it's seriously been considered in Ukraine.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by usrusr on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:49PM (#36463349)
Why risk nuclear armageddon when you can conveniently switch sides at the slightest occasion. It's not like armies marching to shuffle a few chairs in big offices were a matter of deep ideological conflict or worse.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tekknik on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:20AM (#36479970)
Tactical nuclear weapons are very low yield bombs. You won’t start nuclear armageddon with those.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by usrusr on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @02:04AM (#36489402)
That's why I wrote risk, not cause. It's chain reactions all the way up the meta levels.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by vGPU on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:08PM (#36463502)
You do realize that NATO is currently essentially out of ammunition, right?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by AndrewPGameDev on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:53PM (#36464472)
I think you should do some research on the topic before you conclude that "NATO is out of ammunition". I highly recommend Perun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deK98IeTjfY .
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by greedo on Saturday June 24, 2023 @11:32PM (#36464923)
I'd look to how NATO ran out of PGMs etc when fighting in Libya. I didn't see a big uptick in arms purchases after that. Also, Germany recently crowed about sending 1000 155mm artillery rounds. That's like 3 hours of firing at Ukraine's current rate. The reason Germany has been so slow to provide weaponry to Ukraine is that it is a shell of its former self. The Kriegsmarine has been a joke for decades, the Luftwaffe can barely put 60 aircraft in the air, and the Heer has fewer tanks than Poland, and most of these tanks are in poor condition and shared with the Netherlands.

NATO is not what it was before 1989, and will take decades to come back up to a minimally acceptable level.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by petre on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:48AM (#36465640)
It will now take less than decades thanks to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by greedo on Sunday June 25, 2023 @09:00AM (#36467765)
There are huge institutional challenges for this to occur. Production facilities have all been consolidated (as they have in the US since the end of the Cold War.) Budgets are also a problem; the majority of NATO members aren't even making the 2% of GDP goal. And there are also some demographic issues; the population of the EU is aging and military service doesn't have as strong an appeal. Will Germany reinstate the draft?

And some things do take decades, even in perfect conditions. Building up a navy takes time due to the long construction timelines for ships. Developing coordination for combined arms operations requires both good officers and non-coms. These take time to develop as well, and need to be continually sustained.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by petre on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:36PM (#36471801)
There's always money for weapons, don't worry. The US economy can only grow after this war. The industry will be going full steam. Across Eastern Europe there have been arms deals with Poland, Romania. Germany is slow as usual but they'll probably get their shit together. France has already redefined and reworked their arms strategy based on civillian tech and spare parts so they don't need to reconvert too much. The US Navy ship building is also workable if they purchase South Korean or Japanese frigates and destroyers.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tekknik on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:25AM (#36480010)
You can train non commissioned officers in a matter of months (like 2-3). And during WW2 the US was pushing out 3 ships per day.

If you focus efforts, it doesn’t take long at all.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by greedo on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:42AM (#36480238)
You can set up a schedule to train non-coms in 2-3 months, that doesn't mean they'll be very good. Experience is extremely valuable at this level.

And surely you understand that the US economy and state of industry in 1943 (when the Liberty ships were being launched daily) is quite different than today? Only one country currently has the shipbuilding capacity to even think of something like that. The US (and Europe) have closed down a huge number of shipyards since the end of the Cold War, and it would take decades to create new ones, with trained workforces. All the US shipyards are short workers in almost all categories.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tekknik on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @12:28AM (#36582236)
> You can set up a schedule to train non-coms in 2-3 months, that doesn't mean they'll be very good. Experience is extremely valuable at this level.

This one statement means you don’t know what you’re talking about. Non commissioned officers are E4 rank, you can leave bootcamp at E3 rank. 6 months later get E4. NCO only requires experience at the E7 or above level, which don’t fight only lead.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by schroeding on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:06AM (#36465700)
FYI, the German Navy is called Bundesmarine or just "Deutsche Marine" (=> "German Navy"), not Kriegsmarine.

The name Kriegsmarine, when used to describe the German Navy explicitly and not as the German word for "navy" (for other countries), has extremly strong WW2 connotations, on a similar level as "Wehrmacht". :)

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by greedo on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:54AM (#36467724)
Thank you! I've studied WW2 much more in comparison to modern warfare and sometimes I forget the changes.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by vGPU on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:02PM (#36472555)
I can confidently say that I know quite a bit more on the topic than you do.

NATO simply has neither the stockpiles nor the production capacity to enter this war.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by CamperBob2 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:53PM (#36474340)
Meh. We'll make more.

Can you?

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by vGPU on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:25PM (#36475397)
Can I what? I am not a country, nor do I speak on behalf of one.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tekknik on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:29AM (#36480056)
Then how do you know the status of the stockpiles?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by CamperBob2 on Monday June 26, 2023 @01:17PM (#36482727)
The knowledge is there when he needs it. It comes down from upstairs. They tell him what he needs to know, they tell him what he needs to say, and they feed him all the borscht he can eat. And then there's the extra potato ration on Tuesdays to look forward to.

That's the amusing part. The sad part is that the people behind the troll farms still think they're fooling anybody in the West.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by AnimalMuppet on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:31PM (#36462836)
If they're already past Russia's defensive front.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by NicoJuicy on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:59PM (#36463035)
You're forgetting that most people in Russia support Wagner, which could be the reason they could advance so easily.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by coldtea on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:46PM (#36463329)
They faced minimal resistance because those in power wanted to give them minimal resistance (not to stir up bad blood before the matter is resolved otherwise). If they were an actual emeny unit (not an ex-ally in negotiations, which was the case) they'd be obliterated by air and land in minutes.

And of course marching towards Moscow only staying hundrends of kilometers away from it (while being let to march), and "taking Moscow in a matter of hours" is a totally different thing.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tguvot on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:56PM (#36463410)
>. If they were an actual emeny unit (not an ex-ally in negotiations, which was the case) they'd be obliterated by air and land in minutes.

i think you overestimate russian military might. russian military is second strongest military in russia those days

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by coldtea on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:53AM (#36467707)
I think you overestimate a Twitter oneliner
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tguvot on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:21PM (#36470576)
lets see: in less than 2 days they took over 2 regional centers, southern military headquarters (in process captured deputy minister of defense and deputy chief of military intelligence) and 2 military airbases. marched unopposed for few hundred miles towards moscow and stopped only because they decided to do (also took down a bunch of military aircrafts.). at same time russian government managed only to put a bunch of tracks with sand on highways to block it, demolish parts of highway and bomb their own bridge.

prior to this, last month, some RDK and Russian Legion performed ~10km deep incursions into russia, pretty much unopposed and stayed there for a days.

so no, it's not only onliners. it's just state of russian state. where everything is fake and for show

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by rasz on Saturday June 24, 2023 @11:50PM (#36464995)
Yes, minutes, just like russia could take Kyiv last year, they just chose to turn around as a gesture of goodwill. Definitely no weakness and incompetence there.

Reality is ground forces let wagner pass out of fear/solidarity. Only aviation tried, and failed hard to stop the convoy.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by coldtea on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:41PM (#36463288)
Why, did people expect him to be an idiot or go Avengers style and fight himself, perhaps with bare hands? Of course he'll go somewhere safe and work from there. That's what leaders all over the world too in such crisis moments, if an attack is suspected.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by jpmoral on Saturday June 24, 2023 @06:53PM (#36463384)
Wagner claimed a strength of 25k, actual number advancing on Moscow was probably lower. Not a good look for someone who has cultivated a strongman image for decades to be fleeing from that.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by 93po on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:49PM (#36463803)
Why do we believe Putin fled? What's the source of that information, and what reason does that source have to lie?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by Symbiote on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:54AM (#36466881)
A flight track of the presidential plane departing the usual airport in Moscow, and switching off its transponder 100km later.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by 93po on Sunday June 25, 2023 @10:28AM (#36468494)
How often does the US president’s plane fly without him?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by therealcamino on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:43PM (#36472910)
Whatever the answer is, it wouldn't provide any evidence for or against what's being discussed. Processes used by the US military don't tell you anything about practices of the Russian presidential plane.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by 93po on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:59PM (#36474385)
At best we have no information about the Russian presidential plane, which is exactly my point. We make all these assumptions about what's happening without any real basis for those assumptions. This is why I say most of the news around Russia/Ukraine is propaganda. It's all told with the narrative that the west wants.

Note: I support Ukraine, Russia is absolutely in the wrong

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by jjtheblunt on Saturday June 24, 2023 @11:55PM (#36465011)
Flee where?