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Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by lockhouse on Saturday June 24, 2023 @05:30PM (#36462823)
To be clear, that is the established protocol for the commander and chief of most militaries. That’s why such a big deal was made when Zelensky didn’t leave Kyiv despite advancing Russian forces. If there was a credible threat to President Biden he would be on Air Force One immediately.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:01PM (#36463451)
A lot of effort was made to make it look like Zelenskyy didn’t leave Kiev. https://youtu.be/5txQHyYQkkI

The media posturing around him is ridiculous. They always put him in those sweaty green fatigues as if I’m supposed to believe any time he’s giving a speech on camera, he didn’t have time to get into something more befitting of a president because moments before he was blasting at Russians on the front lines or something.

It’s hilarious how everyone eats this up.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by piva00 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:13PM (#36463542)
Woah, you're really gatekeeping how a president should look like in the middle of war?

Or worse, complaining that his image is unpresidential?

What the actual fuck?

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:18PM (#36463592)
I sure am. Because it’s obvious propaganda.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by Shaanie on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:24PM (#36463631)
Is there anyone who thinks that the way a president dresses and acts isn't propaganda?.. It's not exactly some huge revelation.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:40PM (#36463753)
Exactly. Makes it all the more ridiculous when people take Zelenskyy’s look at face value.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by signatoremo on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:33PM (#36464079)
Such a strange take. Of course any public appearance of any government head is propaganda. If propaganda ever has a value, it’s the assured image of a commander in chief in the war time, when the troop have to face a stronger enemy who outnumber them. They need to know their leader is there with them. It’s a matter of survival for Ukraine. Do you think a well shaved Zelenskyy in impeccable suits, sitting behind long table — like Putin — is more suitable?

What do you think all of Prigozhin’s videos are?

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:54PM (#36464179)
In a way, yes I would find it more plausible if Zelenskyy looked like the trope of president should look like.

I sincerely would have been more likely to believed that Putin is ran evil warmonger, and that Zelenskyy is a paragon, if it wasn’t the case there was so much of this top-down pressure in the US to make sure people don’t accidentally pick the wrong side to root for.

If I saw that the facts were plainly speaking for themselves I would believe them. But they aren’t, so I have to be very critical.

I understand the need for this propaganda in Ukraine for the sake of Ukrainians. I don’t understand why in the US, Ukrainian propaganda has a state sanctioned monopoly over Russian propaganda.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by piva00 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:01AM (#36467307)
I still don't understand your take, you are very wary of Ukrainian propaganda because the US supports it. So look at the facts: Russia invaded a neighbouring country, butchered civilians, hazed cities.

Your take on propaganda because a president of a country being invaded doesn't dress the part you expect is seriously bizarre. You're not being critical, you are being cynical.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:32AM (#36467538)
Zelenskyy dressing a certain way and standing in front of a green screen to look like he is in Kiev was just one thing that came to mind specifically because the poster I was responding to was talking about how Zelenskyy was so unique for doing this.

Since that was the aspect of the propaganda that was relevant at the moment, that’s what I focused on. But it is a tiny part of the whole, and yes on its own I agree that it appears quite trivial and inconsequential. But when mass media (including new media) ceaselessly bombards the entire population with tiny things like this over the course of years, then it has a very real and drastic effect. And most nefarious of all, because this kind of propoganda is ever present and so subtle, it is almost invisible. And when you do point out any one of its many aspects you get responses exactly like this: that it is trivial and inconsequential and why don’t I just get with the program, and isn’t it obvious there’s good guys and there’s bad guys and isn’t it obvious who is who.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by piva00 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:52PM (#36473486)
> and why don’t I just get with the program, and isn’t it obvious there’s good guys and there’s bad guys and isn’t it obvious who is who.

And this is the cynical post-modernist post-truth part that I criticise about your position. It's just a doubt of everything, of what's even real, and so you are just playing your part of the propaganda that made you think that way. The issue in post-truth is that your take is just another parroted version of "what's even real?". Even on this case, where it's pretty clear who are the bad guys, you prefer to be cynical and not even believe what your eyes can see.

You've been bombarded by subtle or overt propaganda your whole life, by governments and corporations. It's not by being cynical that you are somehow better than others or not being influenced by it, you aren't immune to it by believing nothing. Or by being a contrarian.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bananabiscuit on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:18PM (#36473662)
I think my stance is the total opposite of post modernist. I believe exactly what I can verify myself. Either with my own eyes or through real life people that I know personally and know how far I can trust. There is no reason to believe anything else.

There is no reason to believe anything in the media. Anyone who doesn’t suffer from Gell-Mann amnesia should know this is the right stance, it’s not even necessary to believe that it’s all propaganda to reach this conclusion.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by piva00 on Monday June 26, 2023 @03:33AM (#36476793)
This is the stance of post-truth, exactly one aspect of post-modernism.

Even more because you won't ever be able to verify every single piece of information yourself, you don't have access to all the data possible to verify it. You don't have access to people.

Again, you not trusting anything is the result of falling for propaganda that told you that nothing is trustworthy.

Are you going to reproduce every single scientific experiment to be able to verify them? Are you going to travel to every single place that has news about to interview people yourself and get your own conclusions? Nope, you just don't believe anything, you went to the extreme cynicism side.

It's impossible to achieve what you wrote, it's a lie you tell yourself because it's uncomfortable to trust, there's no truth except your own and that is... Very, very post-modern.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by bandyaboot on Saturday June 24, 2023 @10:12PM (#36464564)
It’s not like he’s traipsing around in full combat kit. The look he has chosen is probably meant to convey that 1: we’re at war (regardless of what conditions might be like at your particular location), and 2: I’m not living a pampered lifestyle while you’re sitting in the cold and the dark under threat of missile and drone attack. (Whether that’s true or not is beside the point)
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by mensetmanusman on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:05PM (#36464243)
What should he wear so that no one thinks it's propaganda?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by hsjqllzlfkf on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:34PM (#36463699)
Are you blaming the weaker country for doing what it can? You people are unconscionable.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by DougEiffel on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:27PM (#36463654)
Seems logical that he would use a green screen whether he was in Ukraine or not.

Very start of an invasion doesn't feel like a great time to be broadcasting your exact location. Also maybe not a great time to be doing outtakes in the open streets.

I don't have a whole lot of information to say whether he actually stayed or not. I assume there would be a ton of credible evidence in one direction or the other - photos, videos, etc. But either way, I'm just saying that I could definitely understand the need for a professional studio and obfuscation of location.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by lockhouse on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:33PM (#36463690)
Yup, I assume faked backdrops are pretty common among politicians.

Again, President Biden has used a fake Oval Office several times:

https://www.newsweek.com/why-white-house-built-fake-oval-off...

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by detaro on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:15PM (#36463568)
could be worse, he could be wearing a tan suit or a sweater /s
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by richk449 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:30PM (#36463673)
At least part of the point is recognizing that this was a credible threat to Putin.

What would it take for the US president to leave Washington DC though? Obviously a real possibility of nuclear war. What else though?

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by lockhouse on Saturday June 24, 2023 @07:37PM (#36463728)
I think 9/11 did. Granted President George W. Bush was famously reading a book to school children when it happened, but I believe he stayed Airborne on Air Force One for several additional hours as a precaution.

Also President Madison evacuated Washington, DC during the War of 1812.

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by csomar on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:27AM (#36465339)
Covid. Trump left for the mountains during the pandemic.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by ChatGTP on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:20PM (#36463983)
If there was a credible threat to President Biden he would be on Air Force One immediately.

Where would he go? Australia ?

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by civilitty on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:30PM (#36464064)
Depends on where the threat is coming from, obviously.

There's the Pentagon, Raven Rock Mountain Complex, Mount Weather Emergency Operations Center, Cheyenne Mountain Complex, the Greenbrier bunker, the Peters Mountain facility, 33 Thomas Street, nearly a dozen aircraft carriers, Camp David, and god knows how many military bases.

Or he could just board the doomsday fleet of E-4Bs and stay in the air ("Airborne Command Center")

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by ChatGTP on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:35PM (#36464090)
I mean, the Pentagon doesn’t sound like being on airforce one ?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tekknik on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:14AM (#36479904)
You’re not suggesting AF1 can actually land on a carrier are you?
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by civilitty on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:35PM (#36486202)
Marine One. Which is likely how the President would get from the White House to AF1 in the first place, if that were the getaway plan.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by tekknik on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @12:29AM (#36582248)
Yea marine one could, fair enough.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by mensetmanusman on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:51PM (#36464170)
Nebraska
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by mhb on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:57PM (#36464200)
Red Lobster
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by dredmorbius on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:01PM (#36464225)
COOP / PPD-40

Government Continuity of Operations:

Continuity of Operations (COOP) is a United States federal government initiative, required by U.S. Presidential Policy Directive 40 (PPD-40), to ensure that agencies are able to continue performance of essential functions under a broad range of circumstances. PPD-40 specifies certain requirements for continuity plan development, including the requirement that all federal executive branch departments and agencies develop an integrated, overlapping continuity capability, that supports the eight National Essential Functions (NEFs) described in the document.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_governme...>

See also:

Post Attack Command and Control System: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Attack_Command_and_Contro...>

United States Continuity of Operations Facilities: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Continuity_of_Op...>

<https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/pdd/pdd-67.htm>

Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by scottLobster on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:22PM (#36464333)
Depending on the circumstances he may stay in the air until the threat was resolved. Assuming the US tanker fleet isn't wiped out Air Force One and its escorts can stay aloft indefinitely and act as a command center for the military. That's the plan in case of nuclear war.
Re:Russian paramilitary chief says his forces will turn around by ceejayoz on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:24PM (#36464345)
> Where would he go?

Nowhere. AF1 can be refueled in the air indefinitely, and carries enough food and water for several days. You ground civilian traffic and shoot down anything non-military in the air; nothing's getting to you.