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Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by ajdude on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:16PM (#36426059)
This is actually routinely happening in Delaware, several other cities including Newark have enacted this law.

From another comment [1]:

> In Newark, Delaware’s third-biggest city, a similar rule allowed one property manager to vote 31 times in a local referendum in 2018, one for each of the LLCs their company owned

https://www.promarket.org/2022/05/23/delaware-the-state-wher...

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36425994

Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by JohnFen on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:21PM (#36426113)
Damn! Well, there's a good reason to never live in Delaware!
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by antonvs on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:27PM (#36426166)
Depends how many LLCs you own.
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by webkike on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:41PM (#36426291)
you still don't need to live in Delaware. Hence, the law
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by klyrs on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:24PM (#36426137)
Local referendum != federal election
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:53PM (#36426405)
"Vote early, vote often" isn't supposed to be a recommended best practice. What prevents me from opening up 10000 LLCs and solely deciding the outcome of an off cycle election?

It really boggles the mind how ignorant Americans are of basic civics. Just the other day I saw a generally knowledgeable law YouTuber state that rights are "granted by the government" which can't be further from the truth in the US.

Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by batch12 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:25PM (#36426596)
> rights are "granted by the government" which can't be further from the truth in the US.

Yeah, this is a disconcerting trend that I've observed too. Do you this think could be an issue that's always existed at the same levels and is now easier to observe due to the window of social media (and looks like a trend), or do you think it's something new?

Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by bobthepanda on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:42PM (#36426719)
One possible theory is that in the race to standardize and push farther on standardized testing subjects, non core curriculums are getting cut because they are not tested for and the US has not expanded the school day or year significantly.
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by xethos on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:00PM (#36427159)
> the US has not expanded the school day or year significantly.

No, but while some students can benefit from the internet in general for school, I'm convinced keeping a socially-expected Skinner box on one's person every waking hour is not great in general. More specifically, learning complex, multi-faceted, and important topics while (attempting to) ignore the Skinner box is not good for any subject that is not, or cannot be, subjected to standardized testing - and many subjects that are.

Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:33PM (#36426660)
It’s a non-obvious concept. If you don’t have some knowledge of the history of law, civics and republics, it’s easy to think of the Bill of Rights as granting rights.
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by boomboomsubban on Thursday June 22, 2023 @12:56AM (#36428145)
Even with some knowledge of those things, it's hard to rationalize inherent rights with what we do to noncitizens. Everybody has these rights, but for some reason the Bill of Rights only protects the rights of Americans. Pretty easy to mistake that as the Bill of Rights granting rights.
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by Dalewyn on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:05AM (#36443380)
>for some reason the Bill of Rights only protects the rights of Americans.

That is because the Bill of Rights form the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution, the preamble of which opens thusly:

"We the people of the United States,"[1]

That literature has been interpreted by the courts as the Constitution only applying to United States citizens.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_...

Obligatory IANAL.

Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by boomboomsubban on Friday June 23, 2023 @06:12AM (#36444877)
>That literature has been interpreted by the courts as the Constitution only applying to United States citizens

"For some reason" seems like a fair description of that. It's not explicitly said, the closest is "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."

And "We the people" is talking about who wrote it, I don't get how one can claim that bit is who it applies to.

I get the arguments made to do this, to me they seem clearly against the spirit of the Bill of Rights/Founding Fathers, something we generally hold to be sacrosanct.

Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by theendisney on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:55PM (#36427505)
Nothing is ever strange until compared. Nothing is large, nothing is small, only normality can exist in a vacuüm.
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by twiceaday on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:30PM (#36426636)
The only way I can see this making sense to anybody who is paying attention is if its presented as a tool to help their political side, which is obviously correct, against the opposing side, which is obviously the devil. Surely if _they_ had access to something like this they would use it to their benefit, the bastards. You'd have to be a saint not to use it against them! Acting fair is very hard when you keep being told your opponents aren't. No, you'd rather have an unfair system that is only unfair against your enemies...
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by redeeman on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:21PM (#36426592)
> which can't be further from the truth in the US.

thats what the good document promises, not quite what plays out in real life

Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by kristopolous on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:09PM (#36426897)
A new definition for "property rights"
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by ddingus on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:29PM (#36427012)
One aspect of the problem is we just don't teach Civics very well as a matter of primary education. It's a big mistake.
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by sidewndr46 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:17PM (#36427273)
the way the US is setup, you are guaranteed the right to vote as an individual.

There is no protection from the election being setup in such a way that your votes are diluted by some other set of votes.

Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by sangnoir on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:16PM (#36426552)
This is very Cyberpunk, I can't wait for a Delaware city to allow LLCs to run for seats on the council or to become the mayor (several-dozen votes per controlling entity may help!)

In my imagination, the first thing Mayor Blackrock 9754 LLC will do is approve a referendum to phase out residential zoning for new developments, next comes the requisite Japanese tech corps, holographic ads and perpetual night. I never imagined this would be set in Delaware - but it sort of tracks.

Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by civilitty on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:34PM (#36427042)
Turns out we're fine with turning our world into a dystopia as long as that dystopia has predictable chancery courts.
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by Spivak on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:08PM (#36427204)
Remove the "corporation" part and it kinda gets reasonable again. Would you vote for a group of people to be your representative? I might.
Re:Delaware bill (HB 121) to allow corporations to vote in e... by seanp2k2 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:26PM (#36427328)
What about if the group of people is investors who don't have the best interests of the population in mind, but instead, only profits?