I don't think Keep will go away; its one of only 14 of Google's products that they classify as "Workspace/Enterprise"; alongside Gmail, Meet, Chat, Calendar, Drive, Docs, Sheets, Slides, Forms, Sites, AppsScript, CloudSearch, and Jamboard.

Tell that to Hangouts

Hangouts migrated to Chat, is that bad?

What's chat? Not gchat surely? Didn't hangouts migrate to meet?

I believe so. and while it's not significantly worse, it is worse. thumbnails don't populate as consistently, the menu has me full screening a chat sometimes, it's just not as nice.

Together Chat and Meet are the replacement for Hangouts. Meet is also the replacement for Duo.

Allo entered the chat.

Google Wave surfs by: "whazzup, dudes?"

Except meet is a passive teleconf service; duo allowed you to make Video CALLS, like FaceTime.

Google Voice seems to have been added to Enterprise, so I cross my fingers it will prevail.

Lol, so this is the reason I could “call” someone on MS Teams, but in my new org on google chat when I choose to “meet” with someone it just pops a link into their DMs. Bizarre.

If I'm in a 1:1 chat with someone on GChat then the phone/video button just starts a call

Interesting. The only button I have in a 1:1 GChat is a video camera with a plus in the middle, and it simply creates a google meet link which I then send to the other person, and then we both join that link and are talking. The MS Teams functionality was more like a call - I hit the button, and I am in a video chat, and the phone is ringing on the other person's end. Maybe it's just my org's config but I don't have an equivalent function in GChat.

Chat can make video calls like Duo/Meet.

Meet is for (planned) Meetings.

Chat is for text/audio/video chats/calls.

And Zoom is for everyone else who doesn't want to deal with Google's mess

this chat thread is a perfect Google Chats meme

(Google Talk enters the chat) "Hey guys, what are we talking about?"

(Duo rappels down from the skylight) "Hey guys, what's happening?"

Allo ambles in " 'allo guys!"

Wouldn't this same principle apply to Google Domains?

I would sob if keep is gone. It’s my second brain.

> Perhaps other parts of the world still use it, but the US no longer gives a rats ass.

Agreed, but it's sensible to keep it as an asset should another pandemic arise - and we have quite a number of potential pathogens, from an evasive COVID mutation over a ton of bat-related viruses and currently-frozen Russian permafrost archives to bird flu.

Exposure Notifications was a great try by Google and Apple. If it weren't a thing, most big government would develop more privacy invasive contact tracing app. It seems that it wasn't worked well, but still a great try.

The German "Corona Warn App" (CWA) is pretty good from a privacy POV. It works along the same lines as the Google/Apple ones I think (trading tokens over Bluetooth, then publishing a list of "infected" tokens when you submit a positive test result, risk severity being based on how many tokens you match, i.e. how long you were in the same space). The difference is that it isn't tied to any American corporation.

Of course we also had another app called Luca, which tried to do a lot more direct contact tracing and turned out to be extremely insecure and leak user data, so there's that. And of course there were some plausible corruption allegations relating to its public funding.

CWA was using the Exposure Notifications from Apple and Google[0].

Exposure Notifications is not an app, but a framework and a protocol, and CWA was an implementation of it, hooking in the features developed by Apple and Google for iOs and Android

[0]: https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-documentation/blob/ma...

Ah, I was under the impression Google and Apple had created their own separate apps and these third-party apps merely worked on the same principle. It's interesting that the document you linked indicates the interoperability between different countries' apps was down to an EU-wide standard. I guess this meant the apps of different EU countries were compatible but only with each other.

I trust my government much more than I trust Google and Apple not to invade my privacy.

They’re all 100% so is there any difference?

Parent was referring to the major world powers (US, Western Europe, China), who all run massive illegal spying operations and share data with allies.

Google and Apple don't run prisons, and don't employ (that many) dudes with machine guns.

The entry requirements for those two lists are not the same, so you can't meaningfully compare the number of items on them.

Killed by Google will add pretty much anything to the list. It doesn't need to be a product. It doesn't really need to be by Google. And it doesn't even need to be killed.

I'm sure there are major methodological issues with what gets added to that list (I myself have seen some very questionable includes), but ultimately it's a trivial objection -- the overarching theme is very clear -- you cannot trust these products and services to exist for more than a year or two.

Also it's a sidebar, but astroturfing by company employees who stand to benefit from increased stock prices on comment boards such as this seems problematic.

If they kill Keep, that will be the catalyst for me to ideologically de-Google my online life. My previous Google-induced losses were largely replacable but Keep is absolutely the final straw.

I already migrated from Keep just for this reason. It's ok to make temporary notes there but for long lasting organisation I prefer a different solution

What did you pick?

I moved to Logseq (https://logseq.com/).

It also better follows my note taking habits. It is usually a single sentence I want to be timestamped and searchable (which is also why I wrote https://github.com/wsw70/dly to simplify the quick note taking)

Different poster here, but I focus on a file based notes system (mine is on iCloud but any DropBox, Drive, etc would work fine), right no Obsidian and Ai Writer share a folder of my “notes” in an iCloud folder.

Keep is good for grocery lists and ephemeral data, but too easy to delete a note and no way to backup — well maybe takeout works for backup.

Same here - after Keep clobbered a meticulous but long note, I imported everything to markdown files that are synced between my devices.

I'm trying to get familiar with Obsidian using a folder synced to a private GitHub repo. The flow and type of notes are kind of different from Keep though, so I may actually just detach temporary knowledge types like grocery lists or activity reminders back into physical notes again.

Exposure Notifications was designed to be deprecated, though? It was a pandemic thing.

The pandemic is ongoing, we've just started calling the disease "endemic" but that doesn't make it less dangerous.

We have however wound down most of the protective measures. Germany has retired the official bluetooth contact tracing app earlier this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Google retires theirs this year or the next.

I mean I agree but they're just following whatever everyone else is doing, unfortunately.

> The pandemic is ongoing, we've just started calling the disease "endemic" but that doesn't make it less dangerous

It's just as dangerous (well, it's probably not, due to less lethal variants winning over more lethal ones), but that measure is not what makes it no longer a pandemic.

Endemic diseases are defined as diseases with relatively stable case numbers confined to a localized area. This obviously doesn't apply: COVID is not confined to a localized area.

Per the WHO[1] and the CDC[2] COVID is still a pandemic.

[1]: https://www.who.int/news/item/30-01-2023-statement-on-the-fo...

[2] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/end-of...

> Germany has retired the official bluetooth contact tracing app earlier this year. I wouldn't be surprised if Google retires theirs this year or the next.

Google does not have their own app. Exposure Notifications is the cross-vendor low-level API which apps like Germany's is (...was) using.

Yeah, someone else pointed that out on another comment and I wasn't aware of that before. However it seems like most countries with apps built on this API seem to have given up on public contact tracing and sunset their apps so the API might go away sooner rather than later.

I didn't know Tilt Brush was from Google. From 2016 and It certainly feels like the older more whimsical Google.

Wasn’t developed in-house.

Open sourced 3 years ago. https://openbrush.app

Google extensively uses groups internally for all sorts of things... not sure they could realistically kill it and still function.

Sounds like "End public availability on $Date" is in the cards.

I beleive google must use domain internally too, they even have a .google

Google once tried to setup a 'smart' community in Toronto, including wanting control over police and laws and all sorts of other absurd blather.

Can you imagine living in such a community?

I can't believe people rely upon gmail for anything. Integrate anything.

When I see a business using gmail for a backend, I question their entire business model, because I question their judgement.

They tried a Disney Reedy Creek on Toronto?

Live+

Wow, you just explained the unpleasant tingly feeling I get when people talk about using Google for infra. I now understand that it's my judgement-radar pinging.

I happen to feel the same way about companies that use JIRA... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What do you mean "gmail for a backend"?

Google Workspace. update your MX records and use Gmail on your domain. I do it for my hobby stuff.

Tilt Brush has been dead for over two years.

> The open source archive of the Tilt Brush code can be found at: https://github.com/googlevr/tilt-brush. Please note that it is not an actively developed product, and no pull requests will be accepted.

https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/01/the-future-of-tilt...

https://openbrush.app/ for the open derivative of it

> They have ~100 left.

Yet.

To be fair, 100 globally scaled products is quite a lot. They try to churn out a lot stuff, and if they don’t achieve enough adoption, they cancel it. It’s a reasonable business decision.

Domains generates guaranteed recurring revenue unlike most of their business ventures. If it's unprofitable they can raise rates or cut costs. This is typical MBA myopia where steady revenue with low growth potential isn't good enough and they'd rather destroy confidence just to brag on their resume about how they saved Google millions.

I hope Keep, Scholar, and Google Lens don't go away! I use them extensively, especially, the Google scholar page.

Academic here- Scholar is used quite a bit, but they are competing with some big players, some that offer a lot of full-text Google doesn't. It can be useful to get your research started, but I don't know anyone who has used Scholar from start to finish for a piece of scholarship. So you're probably right on the money.

I'll be inconvenienced if I lose Keep- it's very handy and I use it extensively on a daily basis. But there are plenty of competitors in that market space- some excellent ones are open source.

>Lens

Other way around: they're pushing Lens over reverse image search now.

Google Lens is a godsend traveling.

It works much faster than the Google Translate app for translating text and it also helps identify any plants or landmarks that catch the eye.

I hope that technology never gets killed.

Given that it also helps identify skin conditions, I hope you're right.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23761905/google-lens-skin...

I was thinking more in terms of why it needs to exist as a separate app.

I wonder if there are people out there playing Google Graveyard Bingo.

Interesting that this page does not list Blogger. Confirmed deathwatch then?