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Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by belter on Friday May 12, 2023 @12:36PM (#35918545)
What is the vision for Twitter?
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by drcongo on Friday May 12, 2023 @12:42PM (#35918650)
Gab
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by bfors on Friday May 12, 2023 @12:41PM (#35918630)
WeChat
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by creaghpatr on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:03PM (#35918951)
Haven't seen that theory before, very interesting and makes sense.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by afavour on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:16PM (#35919049)
Some more background here:

https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/4/18/23687125/elon-musk-...

It makes sense in terms of how I can imagine Elon's vision. It doesn't (to me) make sense as any kind of realistic proposition.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by tofuahdude on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:17PM (#35919080)
He's been broadcasting exactly this plan for several months ("X", The Everything App), which is what WeChat is.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by drstewart on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:25PM (#35919199)
It's not really even a theory, he flat out says it:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1657050349608501249

>Looking forward to working with Linda to transform this platform into X, the everything app.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by colordrops on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:16PM (#35919060)
He made some statements about making Twitter into the one place to do everything before he bought it, and it sounded a lot like WeChat. He might of even mentioned WeChat directly but I don't recall
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by sixQuarks on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:15PM (#35919043)
I'm not surprised, if you don't follow Elon closely and only read the nonstop clickbait headlines, you will be severely misinformed. Elon has been talking about the "everything app" forever. Elon has had the idea going back to the X.com days, that's what he wanted to do with Paypal.

Another thing you may not know: Twitter will soon be competing with Youtube.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by morelisp on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:39PM (#35919406)
> Twitter will soon be competing with Youtube.

In the sense my walk through the park today "competed" with Kipchoge because we both propelled ourselves forward on legs, sure.

Twitter video is by far the least functional it's ever been, and this is a relatively recent (past ~month) development.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by blisterpeanuts on Friday May 12, 2023 @04:07PM (#35921620)
I'm pleased that speed control has appeared on many videos recently. I'm not sure if this is brand new, or restored, but anyway it makes videos a lot more useful to me at least.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by kevinmchugh on Friday May 12, 2023 @07:41PM (#35923882)
Occasionally when I try to full screen a video, it results in a different video popping up. There seems to be some connection between the videos but I can't totally understand what that is. One time the video I ended up seeing was street violence, I assume it will be porno at some point.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by nailer on Friday May 12, 2023 @12:48PM (#35918726)
This. The everything app that uses chat to push payments and other commerce.
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Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by asmor on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:20PM (#35920070)
It feels like Twitter was always designed as an echo chamber with the occasional deliberate clash between different kinds of echo chambers. Flip-flopping well enough between outraged debate and friendly clout-chase space to keep engagement going.

Musk is just steering it one particular way.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by frellus on Friday May 12, 2023 @12:50PM (#35918765)
Free, non-government controlled or censored speech
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by InitialLastName on Friday May 12, 2023 @12:57PM (#35918866)
Unless your speech happens to make Elon angry or get in his way.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by jkubicek on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:36PM (#35919350)
or unless your speech happens to make actual governments angry

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/04/27/tw...

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by InitialLastName on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:38PM (#35919387)
> The majority of recent requests have come from foreign governments, such as India, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Germany, all of which have increased internet regulations in the past year, according to the report—none came from the U.S.

Be careful, you might be undermining a narrative.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by nojonestownpls on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:01PM (#35920683)
The US doesn't have to bother with formal requests of course.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by InitialLastName on Friday May 12, 2023 @05:07PM (#35922415)
Unfalsifiable assertions should probably be accompanied by evidence.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by afavour on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:02PM (#35918933)
Genuinely amazes me that people still believe this after all we've seen since Elon's takeover.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by colpabar on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:17PM (#35919072)
Idk it amazes me a lot more that people online think that they're so privy to the internal workings of _twitter_ that they feel confident enough to proclaim that everything elon does is actually going to destroy the company. The vitriol in this thread is so absurd, you'd think elon killed puppies as a hobby or something.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by afavour on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:25PM (#35919202)
I don't think you need to be privy to the internal workings of Twitter, Elon's public actions make it very clear he's been extremely erratic up until this point. I'm not saying it's going to destroy the company but at the current moment it's very difficult to see his involvement as an overall positive.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by hutzlibu on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:25PM (#35919201)
"you'd think elon killed puppies as a hobby or something."

Well, "Hack jobs" with living, sentient beings is close enough for me:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/05/neuralink...

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by delecti on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:00PM (#35919710)
I don't personally have any special insight into the internal workings of twitter, but we don't need to rely on anecdotes to know that Elon is objectively not delivering on "Free, non-government controlled or censored speech":

> Twitter has fully complied with more than 80% of government and courts’ requests to remove or alter content since Elon Musk bought the company, up from around 50% before he took over, according to a report from the technology publication Rest of World, reflecting a discordance with the billionaire’s promises to limit political censorship.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/04/27/tw...

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by astrange on Friday May 12, 2023 @06:49PM (#35923519)
They're also now responding to takedown requests from places like India globally, where previously it'd only be in the country.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by browningstreet on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:12PM (#35919000)
He doesn’t have policies. He has whims. Doesn’t work for platforms.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by commandlinefan on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:56PM (#35920611)
> He doesn’t have policies. He has whims

Well, come on, that was true under Dorsey too, he was just criticized for it by the half of the people who are now praising Elon for it.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by astrange on Friday May 12, 2023 @06:50PM (#35923527)
Jack just didn't do anything. He spent the whole time meditating under waterfalls, but that means he didn't mess with the platform and become the "main character".
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by itsoktocry on Friday May 12, 2023 @12:59PM (#35918892)
And a prominent WEF board member will agree with this?
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by BryantD on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:16PM (#35919051)
The one who follows Catturd, LibsofTikTok, Ron DeSantis, Tulsi Gabbard, and Bari Weiss? Yeah, I think she will.

I am not normally a fan of the term "virtue signaling" but I think her involvement with WEF might just fit.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by braxvc on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:50PM (#35919577)
She lists "Global Leader" in her LinkedIn biography and did a vaccine campaign for the Ad Council (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Council#Criticism).

It could be virtue signaling, but in theory following these people could be virtue signaling as well.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by BryantD on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:12PM (#35920831)
One way or the other, yep.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by plagiarist on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:01PM (#35918926)
No, that's not correct.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by metalliqaz on Friday May 12, 2023 @12:59PM (#35918891)
Cool story, bro
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by dang on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:27PM (#35920173)
Please don't do this here, regardless of how bad another comment is or you feel it is.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by JumpCrisscross on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:04PM (#35918953)
> What is the vision for Twitter?

An LBO. It’s become clear Musk’s employment cuts haven’t brought Armageddon. He’s now installing an advertising executive as CEO, which portends a return to the status quo business model. This is a classic cut-the-fat corporate raid.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by jkubicek on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:32PM (#35919288)
> It’s become clear Musk’s employment cuts haven’t brought Armageddon.

Is it clear? I haven't really used Twitter since well before the acquisition, but I've heard nothing but complaints about bugs, ad revenue falling off a cliff and replies being nothing but right-wing reply guys.

> This is a classic cut-the-fat corporate raid.

If this were true, Elon would have cut the actual fat. Instead he (directly and indirectly) destroyed Twitter's relationship with advertisers, which was the only meat in the company. All that's left is fat.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by JumpCrisscross on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:43PM (#35919468)
> I've heard nothing but complaints about bugs, ad revenue falling off a cliff and replies being nothing but right-wing reply guys

They’re allegedly approaching cash-flow breakeven [1]. Musk is notoriously unreliable with timelines, but he tends to be conservative with purely financial ones. That, assuming this is actual cash flow and not an unlevered metric like Ebitda, signals stability.

I’m not calling it a success. But Twitter is operational. People complained but, largely, haven’t left. The new product initiatives were busts, but quickly withdrawn when the data showed they didn’t work. Stability is on the horizon; it’s not Armageddon.

> Elon would have cut the actual fat. Instead he (directly and indirectly) destroyed Twitter's relationship with advertisers

He did both. He’s now trying to reverse on the latter. Given the financial stability, Yaccarino has a solid foundation from which to do so.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-07/musk-says...

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by JeremyNT on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:30PM (#35920217)
> Is it clear? I haven't really used Twitter since well before the acquisition, but I've heard nothing but complaints about bugs, ad revenue falling off a cliff and replies being nothing but right-wing reply guys.

I think it's pretty clear that there was a lot of fat to cut. From a technical perspective Twitter hardly seems to be suffering at all.

The biz move (to pivot to a right-leaning social network) is what scared off users and advertisers, not the layoffs per se. In a counterfactual world where Elon slashed staff but left the existing policies and target demographics in place, Twitter would've been a lot healthier.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by astrange on Friday May 12, 2023 @06:46PM (#35923493)
> From a technical perspective Twitter hardly seems to be suffering at all.

Posts and quotes fairly frequently don't load (though QRTs were never reliable) but more importantly they've stopped moderating everything, which is why searching for "cat" has returned animal abuse videos for the last week, and their solution was to turn off autocomplete of search terms.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by twic on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:44PM (#35920416)
I use twitter basically non-stop. I haven't noticed anything like armageddon. I have noticed a few things going wrong, and i have noticed people who hate Musk crowing over every one of these as if it was the opening of the first seal.

(i should perhaps disclose that i have a very low opinion of Musk, but don't hate him)

At the moment it's hard to say whether the stream of small bugs (the one that annoys me is that the unread notifications indicator seems to be perenially out of sync) is just normal enshittification, or the foreshocks before The Big One.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by SkyMarshal on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:20PM (#35920079)
Is an LBO possible with the huge debt Twitter now has? Elon is barely able to break even, even after firing most of the company, due to the interest payments. It seems like the LBO has already been done, by Elon, and that a second one on top of the first will be like squeezing water from a stone that someone already squeezed the little water out of.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by JumpCrisscross on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:24PM (#35920133)
> seems like the LBO has already been done, by Elon

This is what I meant. The vision is that of a classic LBO play. Cut the fat. Survive long enough to pay down the debt. Now you own a profitable company.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by SkyMarshal on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:08PM (#35920781)
Ah, gotcha.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by jacquesm on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:23PM (#35921002)
Classic cut-the-fat corporate raids don't start out with decimating your revenue stream and wrecking your brand.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by braxvc on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:59PM (#35919695)
A platform for everything, competitor to YouTube etc., but more centrist. I'm getting the impression that the whole placate-the-right "free-speech" thing was meant to get the people back from TruthSocial and get street cred.

Now he'll move left again and cash in. Also of course there are considerations like Tesla subsidies and DoD contracts. But perhaps those institutions approved the above plan to restore centrist views.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by asmor on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:16PM (#35920010)
How is YouTube not centrist?

Their entire platform is geared to be maximum advertiser friendly, aka the status quo.

It really isn't like YouTube doesn't discriminate equally, I'd even say in some cases they do so more strongly towards certain groups that tend to be left wing (e.g. queer people immediately being demonitized when not shrouding words like "biosexual").

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by brabel on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:33PM (#35920266)
It seems to me the YT algorithm doesn't care about left/right.

Sometimes I watch a rightwing video, and then all I get is more and more extreme rightwing videos suggested.

Then I have to watch some leftwing video to get back to more balanced content :D... but there seems to be plenty of content on both sides, with suggestions leaning heavily on which side you watched the most.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by mrguyorama on Friday May 12, 2023 @02:42PM (#35920387)
Youtube algorithm only cares about "engagement". How long do you watch, do you stay on youtube and watch another video, do you click any of the buttons like subscribe, do you comment.

Content that gets an extreme emotional reaction is strictly better at causing engagement, that's just like a basic sociological thing.

The result is that youtube pretty much constantly tries to radicalize everyone. It doesn't care if you get radicalized left or right, it cares that you go into rabbit holes that make you angry or emotional and have a reaction. I watched youtube attempt to do this to me, as I watched a singular video by a more radical than average leftist youtuber, and youtube immediately started recommending me the classic "angry incel right wing" content that so many young men are deeply entrenched in, but I have never been recommended in my 15 year old youtube account. Depending on your beliefs or research I'm not aware of, right wing radicalization might be more effective, as "it's not your fault, we just have to hurt and remove certain people" is more palatable to certain people than "the system is fucked and we have to gut it and work hard to build it back". In that case, it would naturally push right wing radicalization over left wing radicalization.

None of this has to be purposeful. However, willfully ignoring this outcome because it makes you a lot of money is actively evil in my opinion.

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by asmor on Friday May 12, 2023 @04:06PM (#35921608)
Left wing radicalization makes you depressed, right wing radicalization is congruent with fascism in the absoluteness of not just us versus them, but us or an apocalyptic, demonic, absolute and all-encompassing evil them. My favorite Innuendo Studios essay is dealing with this concept.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng

Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by astrange on Friday May 12, 2023 @06:48PM (#35923506)
You're describing the YouTube algorithm from 2016 or so. It doesn't do that anymore because people yelled at them enough; that's why the comment sections are a nice experience now.
Re:I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of... by eecc on Friday May 12, 2023 @04:11PM (#35921682)
Meh, the plan is to turn Twitter into an American TikTok. Great pivot given the timing, but he first had to destroy the “liberal stronghold” image it had acquired. It’s cynical af, but yeah… also the milquetoast Jack was appeasement all the way down