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Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by mathattack on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:39AM (#35688205)
Welcome to life under IBM. They’re in the business of a financially engineered shrinkage. This is what happens when innovation and growth stops.

What you see from IBM:

- Cut expensive (old) employees.

- Market everything as the New thing. (Watson)

- Audit your customers. Settle by forcing them to buy the New thing even if they don’t need it.

- Current and former execs go on book tours.

- Buy back shares.

This is all rational when you can’t put capital to good use anymore. It just sucks to be a customer or employee of them.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by foobarian on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:42AM (#35688244)
> - Cut expensive (old) employees.

Anyone have tips to avoid this? I keep getting promotions and raises and it's all very nice but makes me worried about being closer to the top of the list when the next round of cuts needs to happen... Just this year I got an unsolicited bump because I was "below market avg TCO." You can't just say "no thanks" to that.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by acapybara on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:45AM (#35688278)
Make as much as you can and bank the extra.

The only real security you have is your own assets and financial discipline.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by toomuchtodo on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:49AM (#35688337)
This! FIRE as fast as you can so you’re not at the whim of this class of people (management class, broadly speaking). There is no security, no one is coming to save you except you. I speak from experience.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by htag on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:33AM (#35688926)
FIRE is obviously nice. I do think "bank the extra" is significantly more attainable, while providing a lot of extra security.

1. He doesn't have to change his spending habits at all. He just needs to direct the extra income into a saving account, maybe check on it one a month/quarter/year and move it someplace like CDs, Bonds, or ETFs.

2. His goal is to continue to work. Having a healthy savings account can keep you secure while looking for another job.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by toomuchtodo on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:40AM (#35689026)
FIRE is not because you wish to not work, but so that you can still live a decent life if you want to work but cannot find employment. I have read many trying anecdotes lately of engineers who are very capable who cannot succeed against the current hiring gauntlets. What good is a desire to contribute and perform meaningful work if you can't make it through the hiring circus? That is what you're derisking against. The labor market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

Relevant recent thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35514464

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by mjr00 on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:56AM (#35689252)
This. "Bank extra and make sure you have savings" is way more reasonable than the "aim to retire by 35" FIRE cult. Out of a sample size of 4, 75% of the people I know who have done "FIRE" regret it. (The one who doesn't comes from a wealthy family who bought him a house right after university, so the sacrifices he made are a lot less.) Among the 3, the common theme was realizing they wasted the best years of their life solely focused on maximizing their money instead of enjoying their youth. Two became severely depressed alcoholics. The other went back to work as a FTE 6 months after "retiring".

It's a lot more reasonable to have a goal of, say, having 2 years' of life expenses saved up in case you want to take a faux-sabbatical mid-career. If you're in tech in the US, this is really not hard if you aren't spending extremely lavishly.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by charlie0 on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:50PM (#35690080)
This. My plan is being financially independent enough to take several months of breaks in between jobs and having the time to look for environments I really enjoy working in.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by away271828 on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:00PM (#35690239)
Even with the benefit of hindsight--and admittedly ignoring some periods when I wasn't really happy where I was--given a somewhat arbitrarily large amount of money in the bank, maybe I'd have taken a couple sabbaticals but I'm not sure that, in retrospect, I'd really have been happy retiring much before my late 50s.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by away271828 on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:48PM (#35690050)
FIRE has so much MMM and other baggage associated with it, I prefer to avoid the term. What is true is that, as you get late career, it's probably simultaneously more difficult to land a new job, starting something brand new may be less appealing, and you may be in a position to not work full-time as an employee even if the move isn't quite on your own terms.

Personally, I've been in the position for about 5 years now where I could have ended up mostly retiring if that's what was in the cards. And it's a very liberating feeling even if you don't have to or choose not to exercise it. Makes it far more of a non-event (for you personally) when layoffs come knocking.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by rwmj on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:33AM (#35688923)
Rates of pay are so high in tech that I wonder if there will come a crisis when many people take early retirement. (Obviously I'm not saying this is a bad thing)
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by aeyes on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:07PM (#35689413)
The amount of new grads and people coming in from other trades because they want a piece of the cake is high enough to keep supporting the flywheel. It would be interesting to see median age of engineers at tech companies, here it's definitely well under 35.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by away271828 on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:51PM (#35690088)
Anecdotally, I see some people in their 40s or early 50s who made very serious money and worked really hard (founders, CEOs, and the like) end up doing some of the on-the-side type of work that gets thrown at people in that position (boards, "advisors," and the like). But I don't actually see a huge number of late career regular employees (even fairly well-compensated ones) retiring way early.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by binarymax on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:52AM (#35689192)
What’s FIRE? This is an impossible to find acronym.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by patmorgan23 on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:59AM (#35689301)
Financial Independence/Retire Early
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by felix318 on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:27PM (#35689745)
Tip for searching acronyms: put the word “acronym” in the query. Works for google and gpt.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by upon_drumhead on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:55AM (#35689241)
Financially Independent Retired Early
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by gabereiser on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:33AM (#35688911)
This is the only true security. "You're on your own, asshole (TM)" has been the bank motto since 2008... Company security and longevity is oh so valued during interviews but only when you're coming into the club, not when you're leaving the club. Companies are like Tony Soprano, only loyal if they find you useful, and expect you to kill for them to get in. Won't hesitate to whack you. Metaphorically speaking.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by MichaelZuo on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @10:00AM (#35700600)
I don't get this sentiment. The number of large companies that deny their middle managers promotions while parachuting in outside executives is not that many.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by JohnFen on Monday April 24, 2023 @04:56PM (#35693159)
And for those who don't want to do more intensive things, even just following the "pay yourself first" principle goes a long way.

For every dollar that comes in, take 10% and stick it somewhere that's hard for you to get your hands on it. Then forget that it exists.

In less than a year, you'll have a year's worth of pay stacked up that way. Then keep doing it, forever.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by hiimkeks on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @05:48AM (#35698357)
In less than a year, you will have less than 10% of a year's worth of pay stacked up that way

FTFY

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by JohnFen on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @01:03PM (#35703389)
How was my math wrong?
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by emptystation on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @06:59AM (#35711825)
If I earn $1000$/m, and I save $100/m - in a year, I'll maybe have $1200 saved up. 10% is so little for most you might as well spend it.

Personal rant: I've been saving up 20-50% of my salary for the last 5 years for a downpayment, and then in the past year 18% inflation hit, interest rate doubled, food price inflation is in top 10 worst in Europe, property prices in increased by 50% in 4 years. My savings obviously cannot keep up with the economy.

I'm glad I wasn't too stringy and spent some money to complete all necessary dental work in the past couple of years (dental is never covered by the insurance here), now I wouldn't be able to afford it.

Oh, and there's also a war in my home country and my family lost almost all of their income (thank god they aren't displaced (yet)), now I'm awaiting a decision from my company whether I get the boot or not. Fun times. I wish I invested in mental health and therapy too, I would still end up broke as I am now but at least I'd have some resilience.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by SamoyedFurFluff on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:46AM (#35688286)
Frankly, companies who cut you for being older are not companies that are worth putting your faith into because they don’t respect your historical, institutional knowledge. Also if you’re getting unsolicited bumps from your employer you should be more concerned you’re underselling vs overselling yourself
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by CoastalCoder on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:53AM (#35688378)
The only software-developing organization I know of that truly values institutional knowledge is the U.S. Dept. of Defense.

Civil-service rules make it very difficult to fire most employees anyway, but that dovetails nicely with an appreciation for institutional knowledge.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by oofta-boofta on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:47AM (#35688313)
Work multiple jobs that you do the bare minimum at.

Always be interviewing, Q1->Q3 is the best time.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by candiddevmike on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:12AM (#35688614)
Before the recession, it was a well-known secret among coworkers who was doing this, now when budgets are being slashed these folks are the first to be let go. Please don't do this, you're ruining remote work for everyone. If you really want to, become a contractor and be honest about your situation.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by speeder on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:31AM (#35688886)
I was fired from my last job partially because a lot of people were doing this and the company decided to make my job be 100% in Office in response. Since the office of my job was literally on the other side of the planet and people there spoke the local language (one I don't know), I got fired.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by ghaff on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:13PM (#35690422)
I assume people who are sufficiently self-centered that they've convinced themselves that this is fine because it obviously is if you can get away with it are incredibly selfish and not nearly as clever as they think they are in many other ways as well.

Personally if I were aware, I'd report them because I don't want to be either complicit or a liar if it comes out and I'm asked.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by oofta-boofta on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:41PM (#35690757)
I can't wait until you get laid-off/fired unjustly. I had this same attitude until I got laid off even though I was a high-performer (4/5 and 5/5 on all my bi-yearly reviews).

Now, I'm in it for me and only me. Fuck these companies, they don't care about you so why should I care? I perform to the expectations of my job description but forget going above and beyond.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by ghaff on Monday April 24, 2023 @02:02PM (#35690995)
I honestly don't understand why someone with your sort of attitude doesn't become a freelancer/consultant. If I hated working for companies that much, pretty much no amount of incremental salary would persuade me to not go my own way.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by foobarian on Monday April 24, 2023 @08:04PM (#35694902)
I don't know about you but I think my price is somewhere in the mid-high six figures TCO :-)
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by ghaff on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:03PM (#35695315)
I guess I don't care enough about money to spend my time in a situation I find horrible.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by susumukodai on Monday April 24, 2023 @02:26PM (#35691260)
That was my eventual attitude for a certain three-letter tech company I worked a string of contract assignments at. My thought was if/when I found a better/permanent position elsewhere, I would give them exactly the same advance notice they were giving me (effectively "I'm not coming back on Monday, where do you want me to send your laptop?")
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by mathattack on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:07AM (#35688557)
Keep in contact with everyone who thinks highly of your work. A strong recommendation (“you must hire person X, they’re perfect”) is the best defense against age discrimination. You can’t help it if your employer moves your job to India. You can lay the ground to make the transition faster.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by jrockway on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:44AM (#35688262)
Live frugally and fully fund your 401k.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by phkahler on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:29AM (#35688849)
Make it a Roth 401k so when unusual things like housing collapse you can pull your principal back out to make a purchase without penalty. Assuming the stock market didn't crash simultaneously.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by javanissen on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:45PM (#35690005)
That is the rule with a Roth IRA - pull out up to your contribution value without penalty. Early withdrawals from a Roth 401(k) are different: if your account is 80% contributions and 20% earnings, any early withdrawal you make will be prorated to be 80% contributions and 20% earnings. The earnings chunk will be added to your gross income and subject to a 10% penalty (in this case, 2% of the overall withdrawal).

Given that most people here are high-ish earners, I’d say a traditional 401(k) is still the most appropriate choice because of the tax arbitrage. If you need to tap it, a 401(k) loan is an imperfect but probably decent enough choice.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by jrockway on Wednesday April 26, 2023 @01:36AM (#35709938)
I'd say either way, keep your retirement savings and home buying savings separate. Sure, it will be nice to own a home when you're retired. But you're still on the hook for property taxes, repairs, and food.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by pcurve on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:12AM (#35688619)
At least where I used to work, older engineers were kept on payroll by working only 3-4 days a week. Some of them also got lower title. I'd imagine the title 'adjustment' happened when there was a round of layoffs and some were offered to stay on conditionally.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by scarface74 on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:27AM (#35688827)
> Anyone have tips to avoid this

Never depend on your job for your livelihood. Depend on your network. Make sure your skills are in sync with the wider market. Keep your resume up to date and your “career document”. Always be interview ready.

Of course, save and invest money and live in a position of f%%% you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xdfeXqHFmPI

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by reaperducer on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:14AM (#35688653)
Anyone have tips to avoid this? I keep getting promotions and raises and it's all very nice but makes me worried about being closer to the top of the list when the next round of cuts needs to happen

Make your self invisibly essential to the company. Do things or have skills that nobody else does. The sorts of niche items that the company needs, but not enough to hire a second person to do them.

But also be "invisible" — as in, higher-up bean counters won't know you do them, so they can't be outsourced or reassigned. But still remain known to your immediate managers, and one level above, that you're the person who takes care of some mission-critical task, and so will ensure you don't get cut.

It's hard to find that thing, and not every company has this particular weakness. Volunteering to help out with projects in other departments is one way to explore the company for these flaws.

As a broad illustration, think about all of the thousands and thousands of employees that financial services companies have shed over the last decade. Then remember that they're still eagerly hiring COBOL devs.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by peruvian on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:16AM (#35688681)
Eh, good advice but I have seen "essential" people or teams get laid off, even at the detriment of the company. Management and C-suite don't care - they face no consequences.

I echo the other comment saying just save up as much money.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by iLoveOncall on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:14AM (#35688644)
Don't worry, it's not true. All studies show that the employees that stay the longest are the least paid.

If they had to replace you with a new hire at the same level, they would have to pay the new hire a lot more than they pay you.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by riffic on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:45AM (#35688274)
jump ship
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by whitemary on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:47AM (#35689123)
Unionize.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by garbagecoder on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:57PM (#35690195)
This is the best answer ITT. Union-busting tech people is easy though since they appeals to them as uniquely intelligent people who gain nothing from the support of others works most of the time.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by clambirty on Monday April 24, 2023 @02:17PM (#35691169)
Yeah there's a general anti-union sentiment in tech, but I think this is slowly changing as companies continue to screw over tech workers, and we as tech workers start to realize that we actually aren't safe from the fall out of incompetent executives.

How many companies this year started layoffs with recruiters, HR, and admin staff and are now turning to laying off software engineers?

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by garbagecoder on Monday April 24, 2023 @03:28PM (#35692024)
Yes, I think you're right and Gen-Z in general seems more open to it.

I've worked several union and/or government jobs. Yes, it sucks that you end up carrying some of your co-workers. But knowing that your family isn't going to starve because your new manager doesn't like your outfit is nice.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by namelessoracle on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:58AM (#35689286)
Whats weird is that I've heard the opposite too. That being an old employee is a suckers game for taking the 2 to 4 percent each year.

For instance the staff level who was with the company from junior and climbed the ranks is probably making alot less than the staff who came in as a staff, because climbing the ranks means you get percentage based increases or reset to the floor for the rank, and the staff who came in could negotiate higher than that. (You cant really negotiate comp for a promotion, its take it or leave it). Even though the junior to staff probably has more institutional knowledge, domain knowledge and political connections to get stuff done in the company.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by scarface74 on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:47PM (#35690049)
“Salary Compression and Inversion”
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by therealdrag0 on Monday April 24, 2023 @02:14PM (#35691134)
Otoh: I’ve seen new-staff bring more maturity and diverse experience and broader knowledge of patterns and practices than the junior-to-staff, so the value prop may not be as clear cut as it seems.

But of course the principle is true that if you hanging around make sure you get real market adjustment raises. Some companies/managers are better about this than others.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by namelessoracle on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @03:47PM (#35705674)
Sure, there's also the point that while the junior to staff has connections, they might have also earned enemies too which will seek to impede stuff they want done. Where as the new staff has a fresh slate with everyone.

Generally speaking though, people i've seen promoted to Staff are more effective at the role than people who come in at the role, because Staff seems heavily weighted towards being able to influence at most companies. And being a known quantity counts for a lot. (also to become a staff someone higher in the food chain had to have already vouched for you and be willing to grant you some degree of patronage)

Also the value prop for what you are saying of "new pattern or practice" only applies if the staff gets to do green field dev, its rare a brand new staff without political capital can force a pivot on an already in development product that has patterns already set. In short its rare it gets to manifest, and when it does get to manifest it can take a year or 2 to manifest, and people who are willing to jump into staff roles probably have their next spot picked up for their next salary hike already picked out ;)

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by mindcrime on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:18PM (#35689599)
Anyone have tips to avoid this?

Avoid? No. It probably can't be avoided in the long-run. But you can mitigate the effects. A great take on this can be mined from this little rant by John Goodman's character in The Gambler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJjKP8vYjpQ&pp=ygUTZ2FtYmxlc...

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by noelsusman on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:47PM (#35690047)
My plan is to save enough money to at least quasi-retire in my 50s.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by susumukodai on Monday April 24, 2023 @02:28PM (#35691291)
My plan is to make sure my last job is in a southern state, so when I'm living in a cardboard box on a street corner it's at least warm...
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by matwood on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:24PM (#35690579)
> I keep getting promotions and raises and it's all very nice but makes me worried about being closer to the top of the list when the next round of cuts needs to happen

Don't think this way. Get all the promotions and pay raises you can. Unless you're way out of line salary wise, most layoffs are somewhat random. From the big companies standpoint who sees layoffs saving millions+, no one cares about another 50k-100k. And in semi-random times, it may help you because higher ups who have no idea who you are see title and salary as likely to know more and be able to keep things running with fewer people.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by tmaly on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:46AM (#35688290)
What will happen to the Red Hat Enterprise Linux product if they cut all the knowledgeable grey beards?
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by ok123456 on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:42AM (#35689045)
They made them redundant already by rewriting everything in systemd.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by phkahler on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:32AM (#35688905)
>> What will happen to the Red Hat Enterprise Linux product if they cut all the knowledgeable grey beards?

Inefficiency, which will spread to customers, who will then need more products and services?

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by edgyquant on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:12PM (#35689486)
They won’t do that
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by midoridensha on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @03:59AM (#35697741)
The product will degrade and customer service will worsen, but all RH's institutional/government customers will stick with them anyway because they have policies mandating the use of RH. This will cause RH to be more profitable, and their execs to get bigger bonuses.

It is possible (but certainly not guaranteed) that eventually, after years, some competitor to RH will arise and get enough of these customers to switch to make a real dent in RH's profitability, but by then the execs will be long-gone and cruising on their yachts.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by louniks on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:49AM (#35688331)
From what we were told this morning, this is a purely Red Hat decision not influenced by IBM, primarily intended to reduce our spending and save cash in light of the increased cost of money caused by rising interest rates.

Roles affected will be "general and administrative" (apparently this is a GAAP - Generally Accepted Accounting Practices - term), and folks directly involved in developing or selling products (my interpretation: software engineers and sales) are safe.

Source: am Red Hatter, opinions/interpretations are my own.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by CoastalCoder on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:57AM (#35688437)
For the causes of R&D layoffs, I'm curious about the split between (a) increased interest rates, vs. (b) changes to U.S. tax code that disallow 5-year amortization of software-development costs.

I'm only hearing people mention (a). So maybe (b) is less relevant than I'm imagining?

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by hawk_ on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:48AM (#35689137)
Isn't (b) forcing 5 year amortization? Which I believe doesn't affect large long running steady businesses. It's mostly about cashflow.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by CoastalCoder on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:56AM (#35689255)
Sorry, I think you're right. I've updated my original comment.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by Tyrek on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:45PM (#35690009)
This change will have a real impact to cashflow, in the sense that you are paying more (in taxes) in the first year than you would under the previous model.

And cashflow is incredibly important, Free Cash Flow metrics etc. are all fairly critical within the investing world.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by tough on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:49AM (#35689158)
Now that you put it that way, maybe (b) is the ugly truth, and (a) is just the prettier (everyone else is doing it) scape goat.

I see interest rates being the number 1 excuse for layoffs, but there has to be something else on why Software is getting screwed so much in this down cycle. I used to think AI/LLMs, but who knows.

Im not seeing as many layoffs internationally but that might be biased, one would thought climbing interests rates would have more of a first order global effect

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by morpheuskafka on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:33PM (#35689821)
But why would companies want to say (a) and not (b)? Seems like “you lost your job because the government raised taxes” would be a pretty popular explanation and PR strategy to get the change reversed.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by susumukodai on Monday April 24, 2023 @02:16PM (#35691149)
1: "government" would likely be a large customer, and putting blame on one of your large customers is not a good business plan.

2: As much as we know the Biden Administration is largely responsible for our rampant inflation, to point out their significant part into our trashed economy only invites retaliation from them and their cronies. This administration is quick to attack anyone who even slightly besmirches or questions them (much like their masters in the CCP).

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by freedomben on Sunday April 30, 2023 @12:07PM (#35763888)
Just some friendly advice for the future, statements like this do much damage to your credibility.

> (much like their masters in the CCP).

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by steveBK123 on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:52PM (#35690114)
Conversely, I think it should make sense that the growthiest of growth areas, tech, would see the biggest pullback once money starts costing money again.

A lot of loss-making / future growth speculative tech business models make a lot less sense when you can make about 5% risk free.

It doesn't get discussed much, but during the boomiest tech hiring days of COVID.. interest rates weren't just 0%.. they were, in real terms, negative.

Circa 2021 the treasury/risk free rate was about 1.5% while inflation ended the year at about 7%. So you were getting paid 5.5% to take risk. This incentives speculation as parking your money in a safe CD/bond/whatever loses real-money with time.

Now inflation & risk free rate are at about parity.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by jstarfish on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:01PM (#35690255)
AI is too nascent to be the sole reason for so many layoffs. Emulating HR is about all it can be trusted to do autonomously.

Old people (50+) and troublemakers (PIPs) comprised the entirety of my own company's most recent layoff round. They're not even trying to hide it anymore.

My hunch is that [America] is laying off domestic engineers so we can outsource more of the positions to India during the next hiring phase. If anything, AI is playing middleman in flattening a lot of the communication hurdles.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by clambirty on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:57PM (#35690926)
Management in the Red Hat's Support organization said recently they were hiring new support engineers out of India to help alleviate burnout. A hiring freeze in all countries except India effectively is outsourcing.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by ska on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:06PM (#35690325)
> there has to be something else on why Software is getting screwed

A lot of companies clearly overhired in the last few years, and had access to cheap money if needed to help with that. Perhaps that is most of what explains it? It was also biased to US companies, so would make sense that the reversal would be larger there also.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday April 25, 2023 @01:33AM (#35696853)
There is so much misunderstanding about the amortization of software dev costs rule (and yes, I see your correction).

I've worked in large and small companies in my career, and nearly every large company desperately wanted devs to count as much time as possible as capex (vs. opex). Reason being that, if you're a growing software company, counting dev salaries (often your largest expense) as capex can make you look a ton more profitable, which is of course good for your stock price and valuation (indeed, counting opex as capex is one of the oldest frauds in the book - it's what brought down WorldCom 20 years ago). It's just that, in a modern software company, it's really hard to separate any individual dev's time into separate capex vs opex buckets. The reason I hated capitalizing my time as a software engineer is because the line between capex vs. opex is gray beyond belief for modern SaaS companies that do continuous delivery.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by parasense on Monday April 24, 2023 @09:47PM (#35695619)
Yeah, but also keep in mind the previous quarter announcement about the complete revamp of performance evaluation, and bonus payout. They have setup a situation where it's much easier for managers to under-evaluate employees. They are creating the future where it's much easier to layoff so-called "under performing" associates, while making it much easier to label average folks as under performing, or performing folks as average.

The 4% figure they have given is a very low figure compared to other tech firms doing 10% ~ 20%, and while one might optimistically say the progressive nature of Red Hat trying to keep the percentage low, while the pessimist might say this is just the first round. So it's possible that during Q2 performance is being looked at closely, and now is the time to shine.

As usual, all opinions are my own personal.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by CoastalCoder on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:50AM (#35688352)
> Audit your customers.

I know Oracle has a reputation for this, but I didn't realize IBM does as well.

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by ipaddr on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:33PM (#35689818)
Microsoft.. if they can/will audit your business don't sign
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by shmatt on Monday April 24, 2023 @10:54AM (#35688392)
Welcome to life under Meta, Google, Disney, Microsoft, Amazon, Salesforce, SAP, should i go on?

They're pretty much last to the layoff race, and with smaller numbers

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by iLoveOncall on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:13AM (#35688627)
> expensive (old) employees

This legend needs to stop. It has been demonstrated time and time again that employees that stay the longest are the leaat paid.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cameronkeng/2014/06/22/employee...

Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by MattPalmer1086 on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:34AM (#35688940)
You are confusing length of service with age of employee.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by tomrod on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:42PM (#35689950)
To be fair, these aren't unrelated since they track together over time.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by athammer on Monday April 24, 2023 @11:22AM (#35688750)
This article doesn’t seem to account for stock compensation which can greatly incentivize staying at a company for a long time
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by iLoveOncall on Monday April 24, 2023 @12:39PM (#35689913)
I randomly picked the very first article I could find because I was on my phone, but it remains true no matter what. In the very best case scenario your company's stock explodes over the (typically) 4 years of your vest, but after that it will be adjusted down, so you will be earning less than new joiners again.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by hintymad on Monday April 24, 2023 @01:09PM (#35690374)
Sounds like a death spiral? It's hard to see how IBM will continue to stay relevant in the years to come.
Re:Red Hat cutting hundreds of jobs, CEO says in letter to e... by samstave on Monday April 24, 2023 @03:21PM (#35691938)
When I was at Mirantis and implementing Openstack for a customer... it was IBM partnered with RedHat and Intel and the absolute ridiculousness of IBM (old) engineers/PMs attempting to translate deployment into their language was nothing short of suicide inducing.

IBM, Intel and RedHat should never touch eachother.

And this is coming from someone who spawned LinuxCare.