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Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by willcipriano on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:53PM (#35483900)
I oppose efforts to legalize gambling not because I dislike gambling but I oppose the theft that we call legalized gambling.
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by Pulcinella on Friday April 07, 2023 @01:38PM (#35484429)
Interesting fact: As far as I am aware, it’s illegal to gamble at the casino in Monte Carlo unless you are a foreigner (I.e. it is not legal for citizens of Monaco to gamble there). Probably because the country isn’t actually bringing in any new money if locals gamble.

There really is no reason to legalize gambling casinos. It is just an inefficient way of moving money around. It doesn’t actually create new value for society as a whole. (Friendly poker games amongst friends and family with small pots are probably fine).

Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by bagels on Friday April 07, 2023 @02:07PM (#35484810)
There's an argument that the casino provides entertainment/thrill in exchange for money. I think your argument could be applied to most money spent on entertainment if you don't consider it to be creating "new value for society as a whole"
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by Retric on Friday April 07, 2023 @02:11PM (#35484860)
This is why copyright was initially set up as a limited duration. You get 20 years to try and profit, after which society gets the story for free forever.
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by pmoriarty on Friday April 07, 2023 @02:15PM (#35484911)
"There really is no reason to legalize gambling casinos."

When you make gambling illegal you just drive it underground and fund organized crime, with all the additional crime and corruption that brings with it.

The arguments against making gambling illegal are similar to many of the arguments against making drugs and prostitution illegal, such as consenting adults should be free to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.

Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by Arrath on Friday April 07, 2023 @02:17PM (#35484934)
I'd like if we could find a middle ground between gambling prohibition and ads for gambling right from your phone in every break of sports broadcasts as the situation we're quickly finding ourselves in.
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by GCA10 on Friday April 07, 2023 @02:33PM (#35485162)
Slightly off topic, but the profusion of weird prop bets on sports is a path toward quiet match fixing that we may never be able to roll back. I'm seeing this in e-sports already, where players can still try hard to win but also "accommodate" gamblers who are betting on odd metrics like over/under on total kills, etc.
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by Ekaros on Saturday April 08, 2023 @07:56AM (#35492429)
I think banning of advertising on various things is entirely reasonable approach. Like in Europe prescription drugs can not be advertised to consumers. And I think that is sensible.
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by JackFr on Friday April 07, 2023 @03:14PM (#35485786)
> Consenting adults should be free to do what they want as long as it doesn’t harm anyone else.

So long minimum wage and workplace safety laws, welcome back indentured servitude.

Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by btilly on Friday April 07, 2023 @02:29PM (#35485104)
Lots of places have such rules, either officially or unofficially.

In Korea, by law you have to prove you're a foreigner. In the Bahamas it is legal for the locals to bet, but the casinos kick them out. They've had enough experiences of a guy coming in on payday, losing his money, then his wife coming in the next day with a baseball bat to destroy the machine that took the money. Don't want any more.

Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by schoen on Friday April 07, 2023 @03:22PM (#35485884)
In Singapore, local residents have to pay an expensive annual fee to the government in order to be allowed to gamble in casinos, while foreigners may do so for free.
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by HeyZuess on Friday April 07, 2023 @09:42PM (#35489566)
The money collected from exclusion fees is quite large, 100s of millions in some cases in a year. The very fact that the collections are so big points to a possible fact that exclusion fees are not a deterrent or stop/reduce locals from gambling.
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by IncRnd on Friday April 07, 2023 @03:09PM (#35485716)
> Probably because the country isn’t actually bringing in any new money if locals gamble.

That's almost certainly not the reason. They want the revenue but not the societal ills from gamblers.

Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by beardedetim on Friday April 07, 2023 @03:17PM (#35485816)
> There really is no reason to legalize gambling casinos.

Why should the government outlaw my ability to give my money away however I want to? If I want to go put all my money on black because it's fun to me, why should that be illegal?

Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by jacquesm on Friday April 07, 2023 @01:08PM (#35484070)
The same theft is present in the lotteries and those are more often than not national affairs with the common pot as the beneficiary. Have you ever seen a wealthy person play the lottery?
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by bombcar on Friday April 07, 2023 @01:50PM (#35484587)
Lotteries don't even have the semblance of legitimacy that allowing church bingo parlors does; they're exclusively an optional tax on the poorest members of society. Then again, so many of our sin taxes are.
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by IncRnd on Friday April 07, 2023 @03:12PM (#35485747)

  From "Who is buying Powerball and Mega Millions tickets?" [1]
> The general belief is that poorer Americans buy lottery tickets more often than wealthier ones. But that's not quite true.

> The survey showed the most frequent lottery players earn between $36,000 and $89,999. About 56% of that group bought tickets in the last year. Fewer of those making under $36,000 bought tickets, only 40%. About 53% who make above $90,000 bought a ticket.

[1] https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/06/news/powerball-mega-million...

Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by bombcar on Friday April 07, 2023 @03:18PM (#35485842)
Keep reading:

>But other studies have shown that when lower income players do buy tickets, they spend far more money on lottery tickets than wealthier players. A study published in the Journal of Gambling Studies found that those in the bottom fifth of income spent the most on lottery tickets, and more than twice as much as the richest lottery players - $433 a year vs. $193 a year.

Most everyone buys a Powerball ticket when it hits a cool billion or whatever it is; but that's not the vast majority of lottery enjoyers.

Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by IncRnd on Friday April 07, 2023 @06:22PM (#35487801)
Keep reading:

> The poorer lottery players also buy far more of the lower prize games, such as scratch-off instant games which account for the majority of lottery sales.

> The richer buyers are buying the multi-state jackpot games such as Powerball and Mega Millions. And the wealthier players are likely to be drawn in by the big jackpot prizes like those being offered right now by both Powerball and Mega Millions.

The lotteries are not exclusively taxing the poorest members of society, which is what you originally claimed.

Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by toast0 on Friday April 07, 2023 @05:27PM (#35487185)
> Have you ever seen a wealthy person play the lottery?

I am one. Although, I only enter once per drawing, and only when the pot is large enough that I can pretend it's +EV.

There's a lot of games where I can't even pretend it's even close to reasonable odds, and I don't get much entertainment, so I'll leave those alone.

I do think casinos tend to be regulated to pay back a way higher % than lotteries though.

Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by late2part on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:18PM (#35490171)
I don't think this EV means what you think it means :)
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by toast0 on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:35PM (#35490271)
Look, when the lump sum jackpot is greater than cost to play * number of possible selections, and I assume that only I will win, then it's a good move to play. The trick is not looking at the financially nonsense sum of payments advertised total. Anyone who was taken business finance knows you can't add a dollar today with a dollar in a year; they're not the same unit; but it makes a better advertised number, so there you go.
Re:The Gambler Who Beat Roulette by secabeen on Friday April 07, 2023 @06:12PM (#35487696)
The most well-known wealthy lottery winner was Jack Whittaker. His life went downhill after winning, largely due to the winnings and the notoriety.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Whittaker_%28lottery_winn...