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Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by acjohnson55 on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:27PM (#35297604)
Wow, we have lost a true legend. As I get older, I marvel a bit at the giants I once shared time on the earth with. Sometimes it feels like we don't have giants in the 21st century in the same way.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by madamelic on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:36PM (#35297702)
I think it is hard to see giants when they are just innovators.

To everyone around them and especially themselves, they were just pushing the ball forward day-by-day; they weren't heroes or insanely prescient, they were just doing the next logical thing to do. It's only after they've climbed the mountain that you can appreciate what they did.

That's probably the hardest thing about innovation. To everyone who wants to innovate, they only see the mountain. They have the grand idea of where they will end up, when the reality of innovation is just pushing the ball forward one step at a time. It's not heroism or being a genius necessarily, it's persistence and being able to think on the fly.

I think "genius" knows where the general destination is but I feel like most aren't doing it for the destination, they are doing it because they feel it is a calling and what they must do.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by GalenErso on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:38PM (#35297714)
I sometimes make myself a mental list of famous people who are expected to die soon. The following people will all die in the next few years: Jimmy Carter, Henry Kissinger, Dick Cheney, Pope Francis, Paul McCartney, John Williams, William Shatner, and Ali Khamenei.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by tcbawo on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:48PM (#35297804)
Buzz Aldrin (93), although he might outlive all of us
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by bilekas on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:59PM (#35297906)
Not to diminish your list, but notably they're all non scientific, there's a push with Kissinger. (One could see economics as a science)

Point being: they only serve the generation who survive them, Moore, will outlive us all, in fact and in legacy.

Edit: What I said isn't true, music, movies and arts will outlive us. We have different lists.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by azinman2 on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:18PM (#35298062)
Their impacts go beyond their generation by having shifted the world in some way.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by WalterBright on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:37PM (#35299055)
> music, movies and arts will outlive us.

Will they? Who watches old movies?

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by vmladenov on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:41PM (#35299082)
I just watched Some Like It Hot (1959) a few weeks ago. Great comedy, looks phenomenal in 4K
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by WalterBright on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:58PM (#35299195)
I watch old ones, too, but always by myself. Nobody else wants to. It's always "eww, black and white!"

Often they're right. They'd be much more watchable with an AI that could sharpen the picture and colorize it.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by vmladenov on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:10AM (#35299274)
Watched it with the family! Was a hit

Hard disagree on the colorization bit. I don’t see how color would improve some thing like Psycho or Citizen Kane

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by WalterBright on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:12AM (#35299291)
Nice!
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by the_only_law on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:12AM (#35302807)
I don’t know. Sometimes poor contrast black and white film does really well for the atmosphere/vibe/whatever the hell you want to call it.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by WalterBright on Saturday March 25, 2023 @03:02PM (#35305919)
"Sometimes" is the right word. Usually, it's just inferior. B+W was used for artistic purposes only rarely, the rest of the time it was because it was cheap and easy.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by mixmastamyk on Saturday March 25, 2023 @07:29PM (#35308705)
A kid in this house has started an appreciation for the original Twilight Zone, and enjoyed Casablanca before that. Gotta start early I guess. TV is scarce in this house, which promotes reading and feeling lucky to see a great movie, no matter the era.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by gibspaulding on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:14PM (#35309995)
I think it'd take more than picture quality to make classic films accessible. Acting styles and pacing especially have changed a ton since the b&w era. It's not to say they're not good, but they're a bit of an acquired taste.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by ta1243 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:08AM (#35302761)
Peter Parker for one. > Hey guys, you ever see that really old movie, The Empire Strikes Back

As a kid I watched many films from my parent's generation. Mary Poppins (1964) or Great Escape (1963) come to mind as being staples every christmas -- Great Escape on boxing day especially

A generation before that people watched "It's a Wonderful Life" (1946) for much the same reason.

I've subjected my kids to a few old films from well before they were born, but they were films from my youth -- Bill and Ted, Back to the Future, Men in Black, Muppet Christmas Carol etc. And yes they've seen Star Wars, which was from before I was born (just), but that's an ongoing franchise.

I don't see them watching films from the 1960s like I did though, and I doubt they'll make their kids sit through films from the 90s.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by jfk13 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @11:20AM (#35303515)
> A generation before that people watched "It's a Wonderful Life" (1946) for much the same reason.

Some of us still watch it!

Of course the vast majority of old movies are long forgotten (and no great loss), just as the vast majority of what we're producing today will be. But there are a minority of classics that endure. Just as there's still a market for Shakespeare, Dickens, and Mozart, despite all the plays, books and music that have been written since.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by Scottn1 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @01:43AM (#35299832)
Gene Hackman (93)
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by ankit70 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @02:10AM (#35299971)
Alan Alda.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by dghughes on Saturday March 25, 2023 @09:25AM (#35302406)
And Mike Farrell.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by Andrew_nenakhov on Saturday March 25, 2023 @03:15AM (#35300278)
There is a website for such predictions: https://deathlist.net/
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by nly on Saturday March 25, 2023 @07:09AM (#35301484)
Well, that's delightfully morbid.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by lordnacho on Saturday March 25, 2023 @03:58AM (#35300485)
Attenborough. That will be the end of our planet's conscience, symbolic of the era where we discovered how truly incredible a place we live in, and what we are doing to it.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by spinlock_ on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:40AM (#35301029)
Warren Buffett (92)
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by jjeaff on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:25AM (#35302931)
And Charlie Munger (99) is still somehow doing press junkets.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by childintime on Saturday March 25, 2023 @07:13AM (#35301510)
Sadly Mick Jagger is on my list, his death would mark the end of an era.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by pjmorris on Saturday March 25, 2023 @08:17AM (#35301914)
Related:

"I think youngsters need to start thinking about the kind of world they are going to leave for me and Keith Richards (79)." - Willie Nelson (89)

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by ericmcer on Saturday March 25, 2023 @01:11PM (#35304730)
Even in death Ringo will be in Paul McCartney's shadow haha.

A huge one for me is Mel Brooks, it is pretty rare for a celebrity death to have an impact on me but that one will.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by TheGrassyKnoll on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:26PM (#35307577)
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by davnicwil on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:43PM (#35297762)
I think this is tautological - this is how it must always be, and I would guess has been the common view at any given point of time in history.

You can only properly assess and appreciate the impact sufficient to assign 'legend' status to an individual or institution retroactively, decades hence from the actions that elevated them there.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by darknavi on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:32PM (#35298185)
Reminds me of this silly quote from The Office (US)

> I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them. > - Andy Bernard

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by flangola7 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:18AM (#35299325)
Fortunately we have that opportunity today
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by conroydave on Saturday March 25, 2023 @09:13AM (#35302314)
do you mind elaborating?
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by FrontierPsych on Monday March 27, 2023 @01:29PM (#35329592)
it's always the good ole days for someone.

it's always 5pm somewhere for someone.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by davnicwil on Monday March 27, 2023 @02:37PM (#35330500)
"It's always the good ole days for someone" is a little phrase I'm going to try to remember and think of from time to time. Thank you for this :-)
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by chrisco255 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @09:30AM (#35302439)
Not at all. Moore himself has been recognized and celebrated for decades.

But many other such figures achieved 'legendary' status while they were very much alive and in their prime: Edison, Ford, Bell, Wright Bros, Disney, Carnegie, Einstein, Oppenheimer, etc.

Moore himself was a member of an elite crew and one of Shockley's (the inventor of the transistor) "Traitorous Eight" which spun out from their former mentor to join Fairchild Semiconductor before all of them spun out from that enterprise to found their own companies and in the process create Silicon Valley proper.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by osigurdson on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:40PM (#35298242)
Try to become a giant yourself - why not?
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by fnordpiglet on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:16PM (#35298936)
A giant typically means famous. There are many giants that we will never know the name of. For me, I’d rather die famous with my friends and family and have changed the world in my silent way. I’ve been fortunate enough to do it a few times already, and I hope I’ll get another chance before I die as most people never get the first chance. That’s I think a better goal - when a chance comes to change everything, jump into it head first. But don’t bother trying to be famous. It’s meaningless.

Regardless, I bid Dr Moore a fond farewell. He lived to see the horizon of his law.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by quickthrower2 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:17AM (#35299317)
His law was probably self fulfilling. In some ways more like an actual law than laws if nature
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by dctoedt on Saturday March 25, 2023 @09:14AM (#35302320)
> There are many giants that we will never know the name of.

And sadly, there are millions living out their lives in poorer parts of the world who might have become giants, if only they'd had access to nutrition, good parenting, education, connections, etc.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by acjohnson55 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:35AM (#35299450)
I've thought about that a lot. Right now, I think it's just not what drives me. I'm motivated by novelty and certain types of experiences. Not really by years-long projects trying to break new ground.

But my comment doesn't come out of a sense of desire to emulate. Just out of a sense that especially in the early-to-mid 20th century, we had these titanic characters: Einstein, Tesla, Von Neumann, The Beatles, and so forth.

In a lot of ways, I think it comes down to these folks existing in the beginnings of the information age, and how many advances were unlocked by the increase in communication speed.

That was probably a lot more groundbreaking than the digital revolution. For all the progress we've seen since I was born in the 80s, there's not a lot of things that have fundamentally changed in terms of human capability. Although, we may see in the next decade or two the same sort of paradigm shift.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by yieldcrv on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:05PM (#35298415)
I mean, not yet. Right now in tech, we are subject to 38 year olds careening through life, dying in their mid 50s

Whatever legacy and mature rebranding they attempt wont be apparent until 2070

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by jseliger on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:16PM (#35298489)
Moore lived long enough to see Intel financialized, and its engineering crown taken by its rivals.

Only the paranoid survive, one of his colleagues once said, and I guess Intel stopped being sufficiently paranoid.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by bpye on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:49PM (#35298756)
Intel is not dead, wounded perhaps. I would still be very surprised to see them disappear.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by ren_engineer on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:18PM (#35298948)
they'll survive due to geopolitics if nothing else, the US government has no choice but to make sure they stay viable due to the potential issues in Taiwan
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by imhoguy on Saturday March 25, 2023 @02:38PM (#35305630)
This, anything happening to Taiwan will shaken IT and electronics industry severely. We are ahead of "chip-covid" event in my opinion as IT wasn't enough shaken by SARS-Cov2 or Ukraine, I hope I am wrong. Intel stock price would sky rocket then.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by melling on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:28PM (#35299009)
That “colleague” was Andy Grove, also a rather impressive person.

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/664484-only-the-parano...

He got Parkinson’s and died 7 years ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11333402

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by behnamoh on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:02PM (#35298843)
> Sometimes it feels like we don't have giants in the 21st century in the same way.

Somehow it feels like we'll never have legends in an age when GPT-4/5/... are accessible to everyone.

Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by JamesAdir on Saturday March 25, 2023 @03:23AM (#35300316)
It takes time to understand who is the true giant. Robert Metcalfe just received the ACM Turing award last week and his contributions where from the 70's. It's the same with Nobel laureates, it takes year for your work to be recognized.
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by chrisco255 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @09:39AM (#35302511)
Not really, no. He may have just recently received an award (he's received many awards) but Metcalfe has been recognized for his achievements for decades. He got the ACM Grace Hopper award in 1980: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Murray_Hopper_Award
Re:Gordon Moore, Intel Co-Founder, Dies at 94 by Aperocky on Saturday March 25, 2023 @11:35AM (#35303696)
In Antarctic exploration, there was a time called Heroic Age of Antarctic Exploration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroic_Age_of_Antarctic_Explor...

People attempted to use dog sleds to traverse up the antarctic plateau, which is nearly the same altitude as Tibet, and reach the pole.

Many died in the process, their names are remembered (though slid out of public discourse as its over a century ago).

In our industry fortunately people don't die, but trailblazer had to do a similar thing - they used the proverbial dog sleds to build a camp in the middle of antarctic plateau.