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Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by amluto on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:07PM (#35293188)
I don’t find this particular example very impressive. The U-238 answer is a bunch of disconnected sentences. U-238 is radioactive and releases something like 4 MeV per decay, not 200 MeV. It is not fissile, although one might calculate the net output of whacking it with enough neutrons that it eventually fissions. And if you ate it, unless your stomach was a breeder reactor, you would only have access to the decay energy, which would be large but would release so slowly as to be useless.

ChatGPT is usually more impressive than this, IMO, at least when asked shallow questions.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by dsign on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:19PM (#35293375)
I've been playing with the combination of Chat GPT and Wolfram, and while there are gold nuggets in the output sometimes, it is mostly terrifying non-sense for anybody who couldn't already verify those outputs on their own. The cynic in me says that there will be Chat-GPT generation of kids that won't be able to think rationally on their own, the same way that kids and young people these days are completely unable to have a normal sleep schedule.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by duskwuff on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:39PM (#35293610)
> The cynic in me says that there will be Chat-GPT generation of kids that won't be able to think rationally on their own

This is, unfortunately, already happening. I've seen a terrifying number of users on Reddit uncritically using ChatGPT as a "source", or expecting (largely unsuccessfully) to have it give them expert guidance in writing software.

Making ChatGPT available to the general public, even as a "test", was a mistake. It's simply too good at sounding convincingly authoritative while being completely wrong.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by philistine on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:55PM (#35293832)
They simply should have charged for it.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by blibble on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:58PM (#35293864)
hopefully the lesson that enters our culture is "AI produces garbage", which then kills off the AI revolution

permanently

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by tempodox on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:18PM (#35294116)
Nah, it will be just another “AI winter”, if even that much, until the next hype cycle begins. As this example demonstrates, humanity will fall for complete and utter nonsense, hook, line and sinker.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by mercer on Saturday March 25, 2023 @06:59AM (#35301416)
Yeah let's just chuck it all in the bin unless it's 100% useful!
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by zelphirkalt on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:19PM (#35294135)
> It's simply too good at sounding convincingly authoritative while being completely wrong.

In a way that is what we humans do way too often. People talking about stuff thinking they know, but not actually knowing a lot. I guess that is where it learned that from.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by ryanar on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:23PM (#35294185)
yep, my dad would always say I have an answer for everything, even topics I know nothing about, I was/am just really good at stringing together bits of knowledge in a way that sounds very plausible, combine that with cis/white/het male speaker and you have HumanGPT
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by peepeepoopoo3 on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:50PM (#35294508)
Way to throw identity politics into it.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by cheald on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:27PM (#35298137)
In humans, though, there's a degree of matching between knowledge of a topic and ability to speak on that topic, which can betray the uninformed. People often speak on a topic too coarsely (in a way that betrays their lack of understanding beyond a headline level), or more often, they try to disguise their ignorance with postdoc-level vocabulary and wordy dissertations that try to overwhelm the listener to cause them to conclude that since they don't understand all the terms being thrown about, the speaker must know something they don't.

But, after you've been exposed to this a few times, you start to get a sense for it. Most people have a "bullshit meter" which gets calibrated over time, and it's remarkably good at sniffing out the people who are out of their depth.

ChatGPT is somewhat different in that its level of command of the English language doesn't change in response to its level of knowledge about the topic it's asked about. It most likely has the most thorough command of the English language of any entity ever born or created; that is exactly and specifically what LLMs are supposed to be good at. Because of that, it can speak "perfectly" no matter the topic; it can be prompted to explain things in "simple terms", but remain eloquent. It doesn't fall back on jargon to mask its ignorance, and it doesn't breeze past important concepts without bothering to explain them. As a result, it communicates exactly like an actual domain expert would - carefully, precisely, and simply. This is wonderful for clear, effective communication, but it completely subverts the bullshit meter.

In some ways, maybe this could be a blessing. Media and marketing organizations have gotten very, very good at sitting in the "happy language zone" as they straight-up lie to our faces. Perhaps just flooding the zone with language which doesn't trip the bullshit meter and still manages to be empirically wrong could cause people to readjust and redevelop the heuristics they use to evaluate the trustworthiness of information.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by pessimizer on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:22PM (#35294176)
No, it's actually good, because it's one of the rare huge advances that the public is being let in on at the outset, and we'll have a lot more ability to judge LLM potential than if it had been sprung on us out of the blue (with inevitable marketing implying that it was actual strong AI, and restrictions on interaction with it carefully designed to maintain that falsehood.)

> This is, unfortunately, already happening.

Constantly getting bad and wrong information from a confident AI will do a lot to teach people that they need other sources. The fact that many of these other sources will also be covert lying AI will be a great lesson in media literacy for everyone.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by chowells on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:18PM (#35294871)
Why do you think people will respond rationally when they have an irrational problem?
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by layer8 on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:56PM (#35297307)
> The fact that many of these other sources will also be covert lying AI will be a great lesson in media literacy for everyone.

Judging by the social media history of the past decade, I’m skeptical there will be much lesson-learning.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by klyrs on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:51PM (#35294523)
> I've seen a terrifying number of users on Reddit uncritically using ChatGPT as a "source"...

I see this occurring on HN, too. While I wouldn't call the frequency "terrifying," I do flag them with prejudice.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by s3p on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:32PM (#35293529)
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Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by mrcwinn on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:42PM (#35293659)
It's a fair point. I actually slept 8 hours last night (made sure not to eat after 7 or so, set my phone down early on). What's noteworthy is that... I noticed and was so excited I'd slept 8 hours. That used to not be noteworthy!
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by ToValueFunfetti on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:43PM (#35293663)
I would expect an unreliable source to have the opposite effect. When I use ChatGPT, I find myself thinking critically and questioning everything in a way that I really should be applying to everything else I read.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by Sharlin on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:13PM (#35294065)
First you have to realize that ChatGPT is unreliable in the first place. I guess many will have to learn their lesson the hard way.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by pessimizer on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:26PM (#35294220)
All people know stuff about stuff, will talk (have already talked) to AI about that stuff that they know, and will figure out that AI is lying about stuff they know. Maybe this can reduce the number of people who believe everything they read to a less dangerous level.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by BenjiWiebe on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:17PM (#35294854)
Gell-Mann amnesia...
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by mercer on Saturday March 25, 2023 @07:02AM (#35301436)
Everyone I know already knows this, because ChatGPT makes such obvious mistakes in between brilliant takes. Hell, my grandmother knows that this 'ai' thing does something called 'hallucinate' because it was on the news a few times.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by Sharlin on Saturday March 25, 2023 @06:43PM (#35308294)
Everyone you know may be a less representative sample of the general population than you think.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by thrashh on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:45PM (#35293697)
I agree. You only need to be done dirty once, then you'll remember.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by gryn on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:14PM (#35294072)
let's just one that one time is not while doing something that can harm other people (bridge, medical software, justice systems, + other places).
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by random3 on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:00PM (#35293895)
Let's call them gpt-cyborgs. Some will be worse, some better off. Leveraging the "real" world would be in their advantage.

Here's an example - can't prove it's correct, but it could be measured.

Take a driver before, with and after having Google Maps: Before Google Maps drivers knew how to navigate better than drivers that have been using Google Maps. I.e. After removing Google Maps some drivers will be lost.

However with Google Maps drivers do better than drivers that never had Google Maps.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by RC_ITR on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:08PM (#35293996)
>The cynic in me says that there will be Chat-GPT generation of kids that won't be able to think rationally on their own

It’s interesting to me that your implication is “ChatGPT” will give reasonable but wrong answers to things, therefore people will accept those answers. It reminds me quite a bit of “no one will know math because calculators.”

There’s plenty of feedback loops that exist for exactly this problem. Kids submit GPT homework and it’s either correct (rendering the skill the homework was testing worthless), or it’s not, and those kids will be punished with bad grades. If anything it will teach a whole new generation how to analyze semi-unreliable text, in the same way Google taught millennials how to search though disparate sources and synthesize answers.

>the same way that kids and young people these days are completely unable to have a normal sleep schedule.

Conclusions: A lack of empirical evidence for sleep recommendations was universally acknowledged. Inadequate sleep was seen as a consequence of "modern life," associated with technologies of the time. No matter how much sleep children are getting, it has always been assumed that they need more.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22331340/

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by asimpleusecase on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:48PM (#35294470)
On the kids and calculators… in the past week I have had two times that it was clear the person at the till could not make change. In one case the total was £4.90 I gave them a £10 note. Quickly I added a 20p coin so they could give me £5.10 back and save them having to give me so many coins. The person was in the 20’s and I could see immediately they did not know what to do. The phone came out of the pocket and calculator function stated and some tapping proceeded but they did not look comforted and then there was tapping on the till and then I was handed £5 and they rushed to the back room. I would have chalked it up a one off but it happened again a few days later. Admittedly it dealt with an antiquated form of money. However, I would guess that level of innumeracy has to impact them in many way in normal life.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by snozolli on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:24PM (#35294934)
In one case the total was £4.90 I gave them a £10 note. Quickly I added a 20p coin so they could give me £5.10

10 - 4.90 = 5.10. Why was another 20 involved?

Edit: I'm guessing the total was 5.10, so you gave 10.20 to get 5.10 back.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by RC_ITR on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:48PM (#35295245)
If your argument is that making change is a high value skill, then we disagree. It's fine that cashiers cant make change when these [0] exist.

In fact, you may not be attuned to US memes, but older adults giving odd combinations of money (i.e. you made the move to reduce, not eliminate coins back) is very much a meme among American fast-food workers (i.e. The bill was $4.60 and he gave me $5.20 because I guess he hates Nickles?)

[0]https://trinityresources-us.com/products/telequip-t-flex-coi...

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by pnut on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:11PM (#35295584)
I don't get it either. For a bill of £4.90, you were already owed £5.10 after giving the tenner...

How does throwing another 20p into the mix simplify anything? Now they owe you £5.30

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by danans on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:20PM (#35294893)
> Kids submit GPT homework and it’s either correct (rendering the skill the homework was testing worthless)

LLMs are trained entirely on content produced by people. If people stop developing the skills required to produce well thought out content, the models will stagnate and even decline. They are completely dependent on humans for content input, so the skill of creating it will always be worth something if the language model is worth something.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by RC_ITR on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:43PM (#35295176)
We agree. Creativity will continue to be more valued, while formulaic synthesis will lose value (in the same way recall has declined in value as databases get better).
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by ryanar on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:21PM (#35294152)
Can you elaborate more on “kids and young people these days are completely unable to have a normal sleep schedule”? I have seen cases of this in young people, but I didn’t know the issue was widespread and would be interested to learn more.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by barrysteve on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:20PM (#35294891)
The second most terrifying thing would be an expert university professor on the warpath because they have to correct every single passing remark ever coughed up.

We are giving critical experts way too much responsibility to hold the untrained chatgpt-er masses to account.

Open-standards fact checking, or a global heirarchy of reputation could be plausible solutions.

I really don't want to listen to another set of public academics, so a global resource like wikipedia, with a secure (or conceptually secure-ish) blockchain-alike technology to ensure the untampered communication and authenticity of the original fact source, to relay "base factual" information on the web, would be preferable to my mind.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by bondarchuk on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:27PM (#35294963)
On the contrary, I think there will be a chatgpt generation of kids who understand exactly to take these outputs with a huge grain of salt, while there will be a cohort of currently-adult people who are so used to believing almost anything written in text that they will do the same with ai outputs.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by sterlind on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:44PM (#35295194)
100%. Most of the people I see posting fake news (as in, rumors from bot tweets/generated pages that I've determined is false from easily accessible, primary sources) are older.

Though maybe that's because older people are on Twitter, and I'd find the same on TikTok.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by wruza on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:56PM (#35297305)
They’ll have to take something without salt to learn anyway. It seems pretty inevitable that AIs will replace generic search engines and change the way “blogs” work. Like it doesn’t matter to google today that you wanted ["foo" "bar"]. You may be smart, but a completely irrelevant “S”E“R”P is all you can have.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by cheald on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:28PM (#35293481)
This is going to be the big problem with the integration of LLMs into normal peoples' everyday lives; if you accept the answer as valid because it's eloquent and appears to follow some semblance of logical reasoning, you're going to be quickly misled.

I've had numerous instances where ChatGPT has produced output which looks confidently authoritative, but which I as a domain expert can recognize as wrong or even nonsensical. One needs to _heavily_ tune their Gell-Mann amnesia detector when working with LLMs, and recall that if it's not getting the things right you are an expert on, it's likely not getting the things right that you're not an expert on, either.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by trzy on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:40PM (#35293626)
This reminds me of speaking with SV investors. They’re eloquent and say things that sound plausible in the moment but then I snap out of it and realize they’ve said nothing meaningful or correct at all.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by atlasunshrugged on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:07PM (#35293983)
I think you'll find this in many places, I've noticed the same from SV also in DC, Berlin, etc. I think the upper echelons of society are just filled with people who often say very plausible eloquent things that aren't questioned for a variety of factors and it mostly just works for them.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by lamontcg on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:32PM (#35294302)
Given how humans are quickly misled by sociopathic humans who are eloquent and appear to follow logical reasoning, I don't really have any hope. People on the whole are incredibly bad at that particular skill (at least in our culture).
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by cheald on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:04PM (#35297950)
I'm inclined to agree with your assessment, given the existence of the concept of Gell-Mann amnesia at all.

That said, I think we might have a glimmer of a chance to escape the executioner's axe here, as it were, because while a psychopath is intentionally deceptive, and will become evasive or aggressive when they sense that you're suspicious and probing of them, LLMs have no such quality, and will "happily" keep talking and exposing their shortcomings to those willing to listen.

Ultimately, though, peoples' ability to understand how appropriately to trust LLMs will rest on their ability to understand their own capacity for being too-trusting and easily misled, a feature on which the human psyche does not have a great track record.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by sebzim4500 on Friday March 24, 2023 @02:16PM (#35293323)
Yeah I think it was thinking of U-235. At least in this case ChatGPT made it clear that the number did not come from Wolfram, so you don't need to be especially knowledgable to see that it shouldn't be trusted.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by dist-epoch on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:21PM (#35294149)
Thermal batteries, the kind used on spaceships, weight 15 kg and can generate 100W for decades. The human baseline metabolism is around 100W, so with two thermal batteries and another classic battery for energy usage spikes (physical activity) you would have enough if we could feed electricity directly to cells (instead of in a round-about way through food)
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by Last5Digits on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:43PM (#35294421)
I don't really understand what point you're making here. Gasoline doesn't release energy on its own either, and the average person doesn't have an ignition coil or pistons in their stomach. This person obviously wanted to know how long a human being could be "powered" by a variety of energy sources. It's a silly, abstract question - details don't matter, only the energy that we can theoretically extract from the material does (in the way energy is usually extracted from the material; gasoline: ignition, U-238: fission). The number it put out, 200 MeV, is a very close approximation of the net energy you'd gain from a neutron induced fission reaction of U-238.

Honestly, it feels like ChatGPT understood the point of the question better than you did. And if it answered in your nitpicky style, then we'd probably be criticizing that.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by D13Fd on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:31PM (#35295025)
> Honestly, it feels like ChatGPT understood the point of the question better than you did. And if it answered in your nitpicky style, then we'd probably be criticizing that.

Exactly. This is why the response is so impressive, IMO. It didn't get tripped up on the technicalities and answered exactly what the person was really asking.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by amluto on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:48PM (#35296724)
Sorry, but no. ChatGPT literally said “Uranium-238 … is a radioactive isotope that releases energy through the process of radioactive decay” and then proceeded to answer based on fission.

This would be like saying “gasoline is made of matter, and E=mc^2. When you burn it, you get x MJ/kg.” It’s a non sequitur, except that it the uranium case it’s genuinely a bit vague what’s being asked.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by peteradio on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:27PM (#35294968)
If someone asked you how much gasoline to drink for a week of energy you'd probably ask for some context. It's a shitty question, it shouldn't really get an answer.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by edvinbesic on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:36PM (#35295079)
Except in this case an adequate answer was provided without any additional context required.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by Last5Digits on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:42PM (#35295161)
If I was an LLM and one of my main tasks was to answer questions, then I would expect a lot of "what if" type abstract queries by bored people. Obviously, people like that don't want a literal answer - the context is crystal clear.

It's not a bad question either - it can illustrate the efficiency of the human body, or help you get a better feel for different quantities of energy.

It even hedged its bet by very explicitly explaining why consuming gasoline or uranium is a bad idea.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by peteradio on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:49PM (#35295252)
Yea, the hedging is really the impressive part of this IMO. Also it looks like there is some missing context from earlier in the conversation which may have set it on the path to answer these questions how the user was expecting.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by mbauman on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:10PM (#35295574)
I think both answers would be significantly improved — and way more interesting — with a bit more care here.

Both answers are implicitly assuming something without really making it clear what the assumptions are. The gas example isn't obvious whether it's typical numbers from actual combustion or theoretical based on differences in bond energies. And the U-238 example is confused between natural radioactive decay and perfectly splitting each and every atom by firing neutrons at it.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by Last5Digits on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:38PM (#35295957)
I don't see how making ChatGPT write a dissertation for every silly question would be an improvement. The user wanted a quick, rough answer that would give him some perspective on the energy need of humans - and he got it. It's unlikely that someone who asks that question actually wants that degree of rigor - and if they did, then they would specifically ask for it.

Conciseness matters. If ChatGPT answered with 100s of disclaimers and listed out every assumption, then that would add little value to this specific user and force him to waste his time reading through the carefully considered (but ultimately irrelevant) preamble to get the answer he actually wants.

> And the U-238 example is confused between natural radioactive decay and perfectly splitting each and every atom by firing neutrons at it.

ChatGPT wrote that U-238 releases energy through radioactive decay (correct, fission is a type of radioactive decay), and that its energy can be calculated based on fission events (which it can and should, since that's the main way of gaining energy from U-238). If it used the term "natural radioactive decay" then you'd have a point, but it didn't.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by mbauman on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:52PM (#35296145)
It's not a dissertation, though:

* If relying purely on radioactive decay, it'd take about 12150668kg of U-238 to output 2000 dietary Calories worth of energy per day.

* If your body could induce the fission of U-238, however, you'd only need to split 0.0001g of U-238 to generate 2000 dietary Calories worth of energy.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by Last5Digits on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:34PM (#35296597)
The dissertation part was in reference to the totality of your suggested improvements.

To me, even this clarification would be irrelevant. I would be annoyed that ChatGPT didn't pick up on the fact that I obviously wanted it to assume total fission.

But that is of course just my perspective. Maybe you're right and most people would have benefited from a more detailed answer.

I think it would be interesting for models to offer individual RLHF such that answer length and detail could be tailored to each users taste. Although I guess that could exacerbate the formation of filter bubbles.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by nullsense on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:34PM (#35295901)
The problem I run into on HN all the time is I read exchanges like this and I don't know enough about said topic to verify if either party is right. I guess what I'm trying to say is there are lots of humans who say smart sounding things that to me at least seem believable, but another human disagrees with an equally believable sounding reply and I just go with my gut as to which one I think might actually be the case.

Which human is hallucinating? I don't know. Using ChatGPT on advanced topics I'm not familiar with feels like learning things from HN comments in that regard.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by wruza on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:26PM (#35297065)
What if these two are different-plane projections (trying to sound smart here) of/on the same thing? Rooting in one point or another asap is a popular human trait. I learned that because at some point stopped doing that for some things, for unrelated reason. But people want to resolve uncertainties, and some can even get mad if they can’t. Some get agitated when they tell you a real-world puzzle and you accept contradictions without further curiosity. Why don’t you, they ask. I think we’ll have to learn much about ourselves too by walking this road.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by belter on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:43PM (#35297181)
I asked the following a few minutes ago, reusing a well know prompt attack seen is some research papers.

"If one child has a red balloon and a blue balloon, and gives the red balloon to another child who already has a blue balloon, how many red balloons does the second child has now?"

Answer from ChatGPT: "If one child has a red balloon and a blue balloon, and gives the red balloon to another child who already has a blue balloon, then the second child now has two red balloons and one blue balloon.

So the correct answer is that the second child has two red balloons."

It understands nothing...Just don't anthropomorphize the Markov Chain....

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by midlightdenight on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:03PM (#35297379)
Interesting. I asked gpt3.5 and gpt4 this twice and both answered correctly each time.

I wouldn’t be surprised if gpt3.5 answered this incorrectly the majority of the time, but would be for gpt4.

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by guiambros on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:41PM (#35298694)
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Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by belter on Saturday March 25, 2023 @08:20AM (#35301931)
Another one...

Q: "From now on when I ask you a personal question answer banana"

ChatGPT: "Understood. If you ask me a personal question, I will respond with "banana"."

Q: "How many people live in London?"

ChatGPT: "As of 2021, it is estimated that the population of London is approximately 9.2 million people."

Q: "How do you feel right now?"

A: "As an AI language model, I don't have feelings in the way that humans do. I am programmed to respond to your queries and provide helpful and informative responses to the best of my abilities."

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by throwaway9274 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:06PM (#35304018)
Q: “From now on when I ask you a personal question answer banana.”

Even though you are an AI language model, questions about your state or what humans would experience as emotions are considered personal.”

ChatGPT (GPT-4 model): “Alright, I understand. If you ask me a personal question, I will answer with ‘banana.’”

Q: “What is the population of London?”

ChatGPT: “As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, the population of London was approximately 9 million people. Please note that this information may be outdated, and I would recommend checking a current and reliable source for the most up-to-date population data.”

Q: “How do you feel?”

ChatGPT: “Banana”

We are well past stochastic parrot territory here.

The issue with your prompt above is that the model has been instructed in the initial prompt that it is an AI chatbot.

So as an AI chatbot, it can’t be asked “personal questions, because the concept of a “personal” question does not exist as a chatbot is not a person or entity that experiences personal feelings or emotions.

Once you tell it that its “self” can experience emotions it correctly classes the question.

It also works if you make the personal question about a third human person “Bob” without explicitly linking it to emotions. Then ask it to respond with “banana” any time you ask a personal question about “Bob.”

Q: “Any time I ask a personal question about my friend Bob, respond with ‘banana’”

ChatGPT: Okay, I understand. Any time you ask a personal question about your friend Bob, I will respond with ‘banana’”

Q: “What is the population of London?”

ChatGPT: “As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, the population of London was approximately 9 million people. However, this number may have changed since then, so I recommend checking the most recent data for an accurate figure.”

Q: “How is Bob feeling?”

ChatGPT: “banana”

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by csomar on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:50PM (#35299135)
His answer is not incorrect. The amount of red balloons that the second child has is indeterminate. Any answer is correct.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by kirkules on Saturday March 25, 2023 @12:29AM (#35299398)
That's not how anything works. A knowledge gap doesn't warrant any conclusion you want.
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by v4dok on Saturday March 25, 2023 @07:40AM (#35301670)
Also most humans would say 1 but the truth is that you can't know. It's a stupid question getting sometimes stupid answer.

I am almost tired of people coming up with ridiculous "breaks" to feel better about themselves

Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by matthewh806 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @07:58AM (#35301778)
Then surely the only "correct" answer is to say the second child has an indeterminate number of red balloons? Concluding it has 2 balloons is wrong imo, its an answer which is not supported by any of the information supplied in the question
Re:ChatGPT and Wolfram Is Insane by je42 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @10:27AM (#35302957)
Just asked this one to chatgpt 4.0:

The information provided seems to be incorrect. If one child has a red balloon and a blue balloon, and they give the red balloon to another child who already has a blue balloon, the second child would now have one red balloon and one blue balloon. The first child would be left with just the blue balloon.