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Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by imiric on Sunday March 12, 2023 @06:45AM (#35118590)
I was always a fan of cubicles, and never got the FAANG fascination with open plan workspaces, that the entire industry seems to have adopted. As the article says, the noise and distraction were always an issue. Even if you used headphones, as most people did most of the time, there were still visual distractions in your peripheral vision. It was a nightmare for productivity, and I'm surprised that the false narrative of how they promote collaboration stuck around this long.

Cubicles were great, especially if you got one near a window. You had the outside view; desks were angular in large cubicles so you had ample space for multiple monitors; the barriers provided just enough visual and noise isolation, while you could always prop up and chat with your neighbors; the barriers also served as tackboards, and people decorated their spaces in unique ways. Et cetera.

I still don't want to go back to working in an office, even if I had a personal space with a door, which most companies can't afford, but they should bring back the cubicle. It will probably be renamed and marketed as something else, but kudos to Meta for taking the lead.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by rjh29 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:24AM (#35118853)
Why can't FAANG companies use their budget to make cubicles with sound proofing and a closable door behind you? Similar to Japanese manga cafe booths. All the advantages of a private office but you can cram more of them in per square metre. Keep the door open to be social, close it and be fully isolated when you need to concentrate.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by baby on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:27AM (#35118880)
I slept in one of these manga kissa and I remember waking up in the middle of the night and looking at the ceiling and seeing my neighbor's head popping and looking at me from above. I didn't say anything, and he slowly retracted his head when he saw that I was looking straight at him. Didn't prevent me sleeping because I had ingested alcohol that night, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is typical manga kissa weirdness.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by rjh29 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:30AM (#35118907)
It's not typical. At least the ones I've been to are completely sealed. Sometimes there is a window built into the door, mostly so people can check you're not doing naughty things in there.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by booleandilemma on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:01AM (#35120806)
Oh, Japan...
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by rjh29 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:54AM (#35121612)
Yeah. Maybe this is beyond HN but I wanted to try VR porn back when VR headsets weren't a thing so I rented one. You literally pay like $5 for the booth and have free reign over renting a few DVDs from their 10k+ DVD collection, plus a vending machine than dispenses lube and sex toys, and unlimited videos in VR. The booth itself was totally sealed in and sound proof. The whole facility is open 24 hours. Having small cramped houses creates a need for this sort of business I guess!
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by drowsspa on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:44AM (#35119015)
I hope they have good ventilation and air conditioning
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by adhesive_wombat on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:50AM (#35119038)
My university library had these. Big enough for 2 or 3 people to co-operate, small enough to use solo in quiet times without being a egregious space hog, and translucent acoustic panels that went from about 6 inches from the floor to about 2.5 metres (easy to see occupancy without being a fish-bowl).
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by mFixman on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:15PM (#35121938)
That sounds like hell. People need sunlight to live.

The solution is not cubicles, or even closed offices. Just open offices with ~1/3 of the regular density of people per square metre would be good. It also gets you the promised "seamless collaboration" of open offices.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by rjh29 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:08PM (#35127792)
Cubicles are already a thing, my suggestion just allows you to close the door when you need to focus. I personally don't need sunlight though, or any kind of view, maybe other people are different. That's one of the great things about the remote work boom, if you want to have a work environment full of natural sunlight, you can just work from home!
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by papito on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:26AM (#35118870)
Just like the FAANG interview process, which is basically completely arbitrary based on what's hot (puzzles, leetcode), they can afford the waste. "An army of engineers who get maybe 20 minutes of focus per day? We gots the money to burn!"

Smaller companies follow these trends because they think it will make them successful. It's like reading the latest article on "Ten morning routines of billionaires", following that, and believing that it will make you rich. It's the other way around.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by baby on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:28AM (#35118885)
I noticed that my Google interview process was way more involved in reverse engineering (read this code and figure out what it does, or what's wrong with it), whereas Facebook was much more leetcody.

I've been thinking that reverse engineering skills are much more useful than puzzle solving.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by yodsanklai on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:33AM (#35119337)
> I noticed that my Google interview process was way more involved in reverse engineering

I had such a question at Google. I guessed what was the problem they were trying to solve as it was a classic leetcode question (linking nodes in a tree while traversing it). So while the format is a bit different than typical leetcode solving, I'd say it's still the same type of skills and preparation involved (at least in my case).

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by woadwarrior01 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:32AM (#35120470)
There's value in white board interviews. Candidates can't cheat their way through them. I realised the value in them during the lockdowns when interviews went online and I found that a few candidates were cheating. Sadly the interviewer guidelines at the company I was working at that time, explicitly forbade me from writing anything about candidates cheating in the interview feedback, and instead required you to just "notify" the recruiter about it. The gradient of the falling hiring bar, only got steeper.

Also, the bit about puzzles, leetcode is somewhat of a myth, mostly perpetuated by salty candidates who couldn't pass tech interview loops, for whatever reason. Puzzles were explicitly banned at Meta and Google, when I worked there, and if a question is found on leetcode or a similar site (as they eventually do), they'd get banned too. The idea isn't to make candidates jump through a series of pointless hoops, but to concretely evaluate their coding and reasoning abilities. It's certainly not perfect, but it's a lot more BS proof that just having a chat or take home assignments. Also, needless to say, more senior candidates are expected to successfully grapple with harder problems.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by thfuran on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:58AM (#35120768)
>Sadly the interviewer guidelines at the company I was working at that time, explicitly forbade me from writing anything about candidates cheating in the interview feedback

Why?

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by hnfong on Monday March 13, 2023 @01:00AM (#35131299)
The interviewer could have honestly made a mistake thinking the candidate cheated when the candidate did not. Or the candidate thought something was allowed but the interviewer did not communicate that it was not.

At any rate, there's a chance the accusation was wrong, and if you make wrong accusations and the other person disputes it, it could lead to unnecessary legal proceedings. (libel, etc.)

PS: not saying the company policy by the GP is necessarily correct, just saying what lawyers and risk adverse bureaucrats might be thinking when they drafted it.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by kristiandupont on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:56AM (#35119085)
Cubicles seem like the worst of both worlds to me: the noise of the open workspace, but the limited view of the private office.

I have never worked in one so I am only imagining here, but I think I would prefer either of the two other options to cubicles.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by throwanem on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:04AM (#35119124)
The partitions are covered with fabric in considerable part to muffle noise, and the presence of the partitions themselves also helps with that. Too, cubicles have a larger footprint than open-plan desks do, so fewer people fit in a given space.

I have worked in both, and an open plan is vastly noisier and more distracting than a cubicle.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by ghaff on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:31AM (#35119316)
Private offices are of course better, and anywhere I've worked the norm has been to be open door unless there's some specific reason to close it. But, yeah, cubicles > open office though I've been pretty much remote for years now even if I theoretically had a desk in an office.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by Spooky23 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @09:01AM (#35119572)
Another model that I personally found ideal was the small open office. One place I worked had 4-8 people in an open setup in rooms that were conference room type sizes.

It was a great setup as you’d build nice team dynamics and easily talk, but didn’t need assistive technology like headphones and white noise machines to function.

15 years later, I’m probably skill in regular contact with about 50% of the people I worked with in that environment.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by ericmay on Sunday March 12, 2023 @09:15AM (#35119703)
The thing I don’t get is why go to work for privacy when I can get that at home in my own office?

I am interested to see how work habits change and evolve. For me personally mostly working from home and then heading in to something of an open office with conference rooms is ideal because on the in-office day the only reason for me to be there is peer collaboration anyway so I wouldn’t need an office.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by ghaff on Sunday March 12, 2023 @09:42AM (#35119928)
My impression is that a lot of companies are reconfiguring (and possibly shrinking) space with the aim to make offices more meeting and collaboration spaces rather than individual work spaces.

For a lot of companies at this point, having dedicated individual work spaces for most employees doesn't make a lot of sense unless they have specific equipment needs and are going to come in most days.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by d_sem on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:05PM (#35121787)
Because one wants to have private in person communication. In my experience cubical and closed door office environments maximize communication and collaboration while open concept reduce it.

Closed doors are like therapist room - you get to the meaning of topics fast. They allow conflict resolution and discussion.

Open concept are like libraries, everyone is silently trying to to disturb each other working. Full of visual and audible distractions.

WFH remote meeting have the lowest form of communication bandwidth. It's hard to arbitrage interactions with no visual cues, invites multi-tasking during meetings, and encourages disengagement.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by coldtea on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:44PM (#35122424)
>Because one wants to have private in person communication

So, like, if you Zoom'ed?

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by mwest217 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @01:28PM (#35123136)
Zoom ≠ in person
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by coldtea on Sunday March 12, 2023 @06:53PM (#35127557)
Well, it has everything "in person" has except physical precense.

Which, unless the meeting is about hanky panky or massage or something, should be just as good for the purposes of technical discussion...

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by numpad0 on Monday March 13, 2023 @12:41AM (#35131163)
I think open concepts are more akin to cafeteria than libraries. Some people had done great gigs that always came from a table in their University cafeteria, and trying to industrialize that experience.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by coldtea on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:44PM (#35122410)
>The thing I don’t get is why go to work for privacy when I can get that at home in my own office?

Can your manager just disrupt you and micromanage you in person at all times at home?

Does it even justify their role in the company when noone can see his subordinates all together in the same space?

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by jeremyjh on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:20AM (#35119230)
No it really is a lot better noise-wise.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by muyuu on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:30AM (#35119308)
by limited view you mean fewer visual distractions
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by capableweb on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:25AM (#35120407)
The range of sound basically reaches as far as the space is open and it can travel through air (over-simplification). If you put anything between a sound emitter and the receiver, it'll block out (some) sound. If that anything is made out of sound-absorbing material (something soft basically, again over-simplification), it'll absorb even more sound.

The principle behind cubicles is to reduce the amount of open space immediately around you, with sound-absorbing material so both the sound you emit, and the sound others emit, travel more upwards than side-ways as the cubicle walls force the sound up, essentially making the environment more silent, if you are situated in a cubicle. If you were to be hanging from the roof above all cubicles, you'd get to hear basically all the sounds coming from the cubicles.

It's a pretty basic solution, something better would be actual private offices where everyone is enclosed fully, then you can make the environment really quiet. But that's also way more expensive and requires more space.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by bastardoperator on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:32AM (#35121250)
Cubicles are typically acoustic in nature to dampen sound. My cubicle had a window behind me and a door. People used to decorate their cubes, if you had kids their art was all over the place, your desk was typically much bigger and you had way more storage options. A proper cubicle was just a small private office with thinner walls.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by DrBazza on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:41AM (#35119410)
> which most companies can't afford

I'm not sure that's the case. Most companies lease their floors space. The offices themselves are built to a standard height or code, so the actual walls needed for internal offices are easy to procure, and manufactured en-masse.

Sure, there's a sunk cost to it, but once you're past start up size, your company is probably wasting more money on many other things (entertainment, lunch, free merch, and so on) than a one-off floor reconfiguration to accommodate offices.

At the other extreme, I worked for Megabank. They had a couple of buildings, with a total floor count of around 70, in the basement they had not hundreds, but thousands of partition walls stacked up and ready for use, so they could reconfigure the offices as needed. But, of course, only for senior management. Everyone else had to work in open plan offices.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by Denvercoder9 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @09:20AM (#35119740)
The cost of private offices isn't in the construction, it's in the increased square footage you need to lease because they take more space per worker than an open floor plan or cubicles.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by DrBazza on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:00AM (#35120109)
As I said in reply to another comment that suggested that you'd lose 50% or require 2x the space:

A typical 'cubicle' has a wide desk and space to move you chair in and out of, plus a 'corridor' between all the cubicles. Change cubicle walls to office walls and have doors open into the existing corridor, and it's no different in size. Building codes might require some changes but I don't think it will anywhere near as much as 2x.

The literature (Spolsky lists it one of his articles) implies that increased productivity of the existing employees in their own offices more than compensates for the slight decrease in the number of people you can pack into a fixed area.

The difference with start-ups vs non-start-ups, is that in that first 6-12 months, it is typically a small group of people completely focused on getting the business up and running, and writing greenfield code. My point is that the environment, both the physical open plan office, and the 'coding environment' are totally different it's quite dynamic for start ups where it's just getting new code up and running and iterating quickly on ideas, vs. much more 'static' when the company has an existing product and code base.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by Jare on Sunday March 12, 2023 @08:57AM (#35119534)
> the false narrative of how they promote collaboration

I think they promote collaboration, but the price oh the price of that can so often be way higher than the value.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by mcculley on Sunday March 12, 2023 @09:17AM (#35119719)
> personal space with a door, which most companies can't afford

A company that cannot afford proper offices is probably not creating much value. Big tech companies can afford offices. They choose to allocate capital differently.

When I ran a consultancy, I spent a lot of rent of making sure my employees had both proper offices where they could think and common areas where they could collaborate. Doing otherwise is foolish.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by rootsudo on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:22AM (#35120364)
>When I ran a consultancy, I spent a lot of rent of making sure my employees had both proper offices where they could think and common areas where they could collaborate. Doing otherwise is foolish.

Looking back, wouldn't it have made more sense to not spend alot on rent and let the employees work at home? Granted, no common areas to collaborate.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by trenchgun on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:32AM (#35120468)
It is very impartant to have live collaboration possibility.

Also working from home is not as productive.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by devjab on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:18AM (#35121064)
> Also working from home is not as productive.

I'd like to see your data on that. When covid hit and sent everyone home I was working in the Danish public sector and we saw an increase in productivity. People worked less hours, or at least, they were using their computers for less hours, but they delivered more.

It probably would've lead to reforms if it wasn't because the employee satisfaction didn't do equally well. As you might imagine, covid was hard on middle managers, but it also turned out that quite a lot of employees (public sector might be very different than tech) got very lonely while working from home every day.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by throwuwu on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:34AM (#35121293)
> it also turned out that quite a lot of employees (public sector might be very different than tech) got very lonely while working from home every day.

There’s your answer, demoralized employees are unproductive.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by coldtea on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:40PM (#35122349)
Let's give them commutes, and have them on an open plan or cubicles, that should boost their morale!
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by msm_ on Sunday March 12, 2023 @01:06PM (#35122778)
Commuting (I usually bike) and meeting with my teammates in person does wonders to my morale indeed.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by mwest217 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @01:21PM (#35123014)
For me, who’s made the decision to live 1.1 miles from the office, my commute (either biking or walking) is a positive benefit. During Covid WFH I would try to get out for a similar length of walk in the morning, but it’s better for my brain to get into work mode by actually traveling to a different space.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by nec4b on Sunday March 12, 2023 @03:49PM (#35125283)
You do realize it's physically impossible for everyone to live so close to the office?
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by TheHappyOddish on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:25AM (#35209831)
And because of this nobody should be allowed to commute?
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by raydev on Sunday March 12, 2023 @01:03PM (#35122725)
Might have also been that recreational places were mostly closed or on limited hours, and many people forced into working from home didn't have adequate physical space or time management habits to create boundaries.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by coldtea on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:38PM (#35122310)
Citation needed
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by mcculley on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:44AM (#35120602)
It makes more sense now. Back then we did not have as many good tools for remote collaboration. My business had certain other constraints that made physical space necessary.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by imiric on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:31AM (#35120466)
Come on, realistically, no company can afford private offices for all their workforce. Even for roles that do require complete concentration like programming, it's not feasible to expect even Big Tech companies to foot the bill. The infrastructure cost alone would be astronomical. Such buildings just don't scale, and the setup couldn't keep up with the growth rate. So at best, they can have private offices for tech leads, managers and senior staff, but this undeniably goes against the "flat" organizational structure some companies like to virtue signal.

What can be much more manageable is to have comfortable cubicles for everyone (not the cramped desks with dividers, which is what probably gave cubicles the bad rep), and also have many small and large meeting rooms where people can congregate and collaborate in. This has the benefit of defaulting to semi-private workspaces which can easily scale, and moves the noisy collaborative areas to closed rooms, so that they don't bother anyone else. The smaller rooms could even serve as rotating private offices, if needed, that anyone can book for a limited period of time.

But the open floor office only has practical drawbacks, and definitely has to go. It only got popular because it's really the cheapest option for companies; just place some desks, chairs and monitors in a huge space, and sell it as "collaborative". But if they really want to entice people to come back to the office, they need to invest in better working conditions.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by photonbeam on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:38AM (#35120543)
How much does an office actually cost in real $?

Some companies like Microsoft routinely provided them

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by mcculley on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:42AM (#35120586)
> no company can afford private offices for all their workforce

Go visit any good law firm or CPA firm.

I benefit from my equity holdings in tech companies. They are choosing to give that money to me in valuation instead of building out proper offices.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by imiric on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:22AM (#35121114)
> Go visit any good law firm or CPA firm.

Do these companies hire thousands of employees a year? I doubt that.

Private offices for everyone just doesn't scale at the same growth rate of tech companies. Where would they realistically fit thousands of new employees per year if everyone had their own office?

> I benefit from my equity holdings in tech companies. They are choosing to give that money to me in valuation instead of building out proper offices.

And you expect the buildings to just magically expand for new employees? I'd rather not take a pay cut, and "settle" for comfortable cubicles. Or better yet, work remotely, and get a raise from the money the company is saving on not having to pay for my office space.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by mcculley on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:30AM (#35121216)
You are conflating costs with difficulty. I agree that it is difficult to manage growth. This is a way in which some organizations create more value per person and per dollar expended.

One approach is for an organization to use open offices while they are building out proper offices.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by smugma on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:58AM (#35121676)
Large accounting firms hire tens of thousands per year.

They have significant churn.

That said, when I worked at one, I didn’t have an office. I didn’t even have a dedicated desk.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by coldtea on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:42PM (#35122389)
>Do these companies hire thousands of employees a year? I doubt that

Wasn't a problem for Microsoft and other companies. But then again, those valued their employees...

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by shalmanese on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:53AM (#35120703)
Facebook's open plan set up didn't come cheap. A Facebook insider once gave me a ballpark figure of how much their giant aircraft hanger cost and I recall it being 3x the price per square foot of private office space which means about 1 - 1.5x the price per employee.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by imiric on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:13AM (#35120984)
I'm not saying these buildings are "cheap". Just objectively, it's much cheaper to transform a "giant aircraft hangar" (which sounds awful, BTW) into open floor working spaces, than to use the same space to build and design individual offices for everyone. I'm not a civil engineer, but the windows, walls, ventilation, cabling, cooling/heating, etc., is surely much more expensive for individual offices than what open spaces in a "hangar" would require. The cost of interior design would be substantially lower as well. How could this be 3x the price per square foot of private office space? Was this some expensive military property?
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by mcculley on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:24AM (#35121134)
I visited one of these open office spaces recently. It is ridiculous. They have white noise generators in the ceiling. In order to be heard when talking with someone adjacent, one has to speak loud enough to disturb others. Almost everyone wears headphones and does not collaborate in person. They should just be working from home.

I recommend that all those who might compete with me adopt these situations and give up on the difficulties of managing office space.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by shalmanese on Sunday March 12, 2023 @01:03PM (#35122727)
> How could this be 3x the price per square foot of private office space?

It was designed by Frank Gehry and built by Gensler for a client that had an open pocket book. You'd be surprised at how much a pane of glass can cost when it's glass that has to go into a Frank Gehry building.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by lokar on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:04PM (#35121763)
Tech companies used to have them. Most engineers at Sun were in offices in the 90s
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by red-iron-pine on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:40PM (#35141312)
MS was there in the 90s. But they're still here and Sun ain't.

Not saying it's just offices that saw the... Sun-set... but there are things companies that survive do -- and private offices ain't common.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by ResearchCode on Sunday March 12, 2023 @01:00PM (#35122684)
What would it cost? I would take a $10k hit on a $300k wage to get a real office. Seems like a no-brainer.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by apple4ever on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:46AM (#35137359)
Same here. I hate open offices with a passion.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by hdjjhhvvhga on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:20AM (#35120337)
> I was always a fan of cubicles

What on Earth is wrong with traditional offices with normal doors? Cubicles always make me think of cattle, they are like open space but you have limited view so someone can stalk you without you noticing that or surprise you etc. Thank goodness we can easily work remotely these days.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by smrtinsert on Sunday March 12, 2023 @10:44AM (#35120605)
I for one welcome back the days of napping at my neo cubicle
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by ElfinTrousers on Sunday March 12, 2023 @11:17AM (#35121040)
> I was always a fan of cubicles, and never got the FAANG fascination with open plan workspaces, that the entire industry seems to have adopted

I can explain this in three words:

* money * money * money

Open-plan is much cheaper.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by joseftexas on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:04PM (#35121775)
Open spaces allow easier monitoring and easier allocation (hot seats). This cubicle wont last long before they rediscover the need of management which is easier management (easy monitor+easy allocation). I give it 3 years at most.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by coldtea on Sunday March 12, 2023 @12:37PM (#35122297)
>I was always a fan of cubicles, and never got the FAANG fascination with open plan workspaces, that the entire industry seems to have adopted

I agree. It's like how cells with bars on three sides and a window on the wall side, are so much better than isolation cells closed all over.

Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by flashgordon on Sunday March 12, 2023 @02:56PM (#35124539)
Amen amen amen. I had always hated open offices. I was even ridiculed for my hatred for them. Heck il take offices if I could but I know I can't get too greedy! How did we ever start buying into it as developers? Was it just Stockholm syndrome. "Tech is the savior so everything we do must be the greatest"? Hope this trend continues to other companies too. I do wonder what startups are gonna do here. They do have cost issues and they didn't mind copying the fangs so it worked out back then.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by slowmovintarget on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:35PM (#35128184)
The fad of open work spaces, and the associated rationalizations, were about lower cost, not increased productivity.
Re:Meta Rediscovers the Cubicle by red-iron-pine on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @08:21AM (#35150312)
This is true for most business fads. "We love new paradigm X" is because there are cost savings, or at least were for one company.