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Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by jasoneckert on Friday February 24, 2023 @11:17PM (#34933842)
As a coffee lover, I've spent decades and thousands of dollars on expensive equipment in the search for the perfect cup.

And at the end of it all, I found that all I needed was a $40 AeroPress, $50 Chestnut C2 hand grinder, and some good quality beans.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by floodfx on Friday February 24, 2023 @11:27PM (#34933902)
Same. Aero press for last decade or so. Ethiopian light roast ftw.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by lacrosse_tannin on Saturday February 25, 2023 @12:12AM (#34934105)
that's what i use. it's OK. if you know how to make it like that one cup i had that one time that was the best coffee i ever had, let me know. for a while i knew what bean it was but that's lost to the sands of time/node_modules. El Salvador? it was definitely very light roast.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by anon84873628 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:46AM (#34934496)
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by thomasahle on Saturday February 25, 2023 @12:36AM (#34934200)
How long before those beans have set you back thousands of dollars as well?
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by Foobar8568 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:22AM (#34934380)
It takes as low as 100gr of coffee (could be less depending of the batch) to set you back a few thousands USD.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by silisili on Saturday February 25, 2023 @12:58AM (#34934271)
Same here, except all metal French press instead of aero.

I started noticing differences in beans when hand grinding. Some are tough, and feel like trying to grind rocks. Some churn like butter. I'm not smart enough to know why, but that led to me buying the 'butter' varieties.

Best I've found yet is Red Bird coffee. Easy to grind and tastes awesome. Hardest to grind was Happy Mug, closely followed by SW. Guatemalan is our favorite, so same country of origin for all 3. (All 3 taste great, only referring to ease of grind).

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by sgtnoodle on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:14AM (#34934340)
I just noticed that today myself. I opened up a 2lb bag of beans I bought from a former coworker's new roasting company, and the beans really took some muscle. Brewed up nicely in my pour-over.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by Foobar8568 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @12:59AM (#34934277)
Roasting level, the lighter the roast, the harder.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by silisili on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:00AM (#34934281)
Thanks, that actually explains why the easier grinding ones look a bit darker and 'oilier', I guess. They are supposedly all medium roasts...I guess that definition varies slightly.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by Foobar8568 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:19AM (#34934367)
https://lenscoffee.com/roast-levels/ for some comparisons, I didn't really realize it until I roasted beans myself. If they are oily then it's more like a dark roast.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by anon84873628 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:44AM (#34934489)
As a sibling comment pointed out, lighter roasted beans are more tough than darker roasted.

But the variety and growing altitude also affect density. A high grown East African seed could be much more dense (and thus harder to grind) than a low altitude Guatemalan.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by reillyse on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:38AM (#34935848)
Yes and light roasted coffee is often higher quality- because bad quality roasted light tastes like ass
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by sdwr on Saturday February 25, 2023 @02:04AM (#34934572)
Talking out of my butt, but I think it's related to oil content in the beans.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by bhrgunatha on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:27AM (#34934401)
Let's get down to brass tacks. What recipe do you use? [1]

Aeropress is also my favourite method. It's easy to experiment with the main variables than most other devices - water temperature, grind size, immersion time, coffee/water ratio. I find better than the French press - and I think the main factor is that you add some pressure to the process. Aeropress is also easier to clean.

[1] https://aeroprecipe.com/

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by petepete on Saturday February 25, 2023 @02:15AM (#34934614)
Again, hugely overcomplicating.

Scoop of coffee, grind, add, pour in some water from a boiled kettle, stir, wait for a minute or three, invert, press.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by recuter on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:48AM (#34935907)
In the spirit of no over complications: don't bother inverting.

Here is a weird coffee person succinctly explaining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6VlT_jUVPc

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by dxdm on Saturday February 25, 2023 @09:27AM (#34936904)
Even better: don't press. Let the grounds sink to the bottom and don't drink them.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by petepete on Saturday February 25, 2023 @12:22PM (#34938383)
Are you suggesting drinking directly from the top of the aeropress?!

Might have to give that a try.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by leobg on Saturday February 25, 2023 @03:02AM (#34934833)
You’re missing the heatgun. For roasting.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by Foobar8568 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @05:20AM (#34935496)
Or a modded popcorn machine...
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by zikduruqe on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:02AM (#34935667)
Or a 20 year old one from the thrift store.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by creamyhorror on Saturday February 25, 2023 @03:10AM (#34934869)
Like you, a Timemore C2 and a V60 here (plus a Clever Dripper for immersion occasionally). I didn't enjoy light roasts initially - too acidic! - but over the years, my taste buds have shifted to prefer fruitier, more complex coffees. I still enjoy balanced, non-bitter dark roasts as are common in Japan.

I also enjoy digging into the science of coffee brewing, though - finding out how exactly changing method, temperature, grind size, and brew time change the relative ratios of compounds extracted. There's still a lot of disagreement about the effect of temperature, for example (most experts say temp should be kept higher, while a minority of hobbyists go for lower temperature sometimes). It's a nerdy hobby.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by Emma_Goldman on Saturday February 25, 2023 @03:25AM (#34934924)
This is exactly my set up! Although I adopted it as a PhD student precisely to avoid those expensive options in the first place. I've just never found any cause to change since.

Aeropress allows you to combine immersion and high pressure with a £25 device that largely self-cleans, and is small enough to travel with. It makes a smooth, rich-tasting coffee.

With electric grinders you pay for the burr, which is what really matters, and then an electric motor. But if you buy a fairly decent hand grinder like the C2 chestnut, you get a far better burr for the same price, and because of that hand grinding is really easy-going and quick. I enjoy doing it every morning.

There are some coffee enthusiasts that create over-complicated aeropress recipes, but the truth is that it was designed for simplicity. What I've found matters is:

1. Small-to-medium grind size

2. Stand upside down to immerse for longer

3. Use 80-85c water

4. Stir

5. Press gently

Obviously the quality and freshness of the coffee beans matters too, and you can vary the immersion time for the strength of the coffee you want.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by 2muchcoffeeman on Saturday February 25, 2023 @04:40AM (#34935300)
>Stand upside down to immerse for longer

Don't bother with this. The seal created by the plunger is good enough to stop the flow of coffee. Insert the plunger at an angle so that you push out as much air as possible before straightening it out.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by Emma_Goldman on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:47AM (#34935902)
I don't see how it's any bother. You have to put the grains and water in with it upside down anyway, so whether you put it onto the mug during or after immersion involves equal effort. In my experience there's some leakage if you just leave it standing for minutes upright.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by mft_ on Saturday February 25, 2023 @09:25AM (#34936891)
Agree - there’s always a modest amount of dribbling, even with a very good condition seal.

I’ve never understood the resistance to inverted brewing - with 200g of water, it’s trivial to make it work with minimal-to-no risk of an accident upon inversion.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by 2muchcoffeeman on Saturday February 25, 2023 @09:04PM (#34942348)
>You have to put the grains and water in with it upside down anyway

Wait, what? The standard method is to put coffee into the Areopress right way up.

Having tried upside down and right side up immersion, I can’t say it makes much difference either way. In which case, I’d rather not have a top heavy vessel of hot water on the counter.

It also has the advantage of being able to inspect how the filter is seated before you proceed. I’ve had instances where the filter is not seated properly and excessive agitation manages to unseat the filter. If you reuse filters (and I taste no reason not to), I observe that the filters bunch up a little bit more with reuse.

Anyway, I don’t mean to say that you can’t invert things. But taste-wise, inverted brewing may have no clear advantages if you just want a nice coffee.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by dTal on Saturday February 25, 2023 @05:11AM (#34935451)
>high pressure

>5. Press gently

Does not compute?

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by Emma_Goldman on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:49AM (#34935917)
I did think of writing 'relatively high pressure' to pre-empt this pedantry. Higher pressure than just immersion, much lower than espresso. How hard you push modulates the pressure, but any added pressure is more than in a French press or pour over.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by dTal on Saturday February 25, 2023 @07:48AM (#34936253)
I hardly think it's pedantry to point out that if you think higher pressure = better, pressing "gently" is an odd choice.

A full grown adult standing with their full weight on their Aeropress can achieve about 4 bar of pressure; standing at the counter, pressing with one arm as hard as I can, I'm unlikely to achieve more than 1 bar. For context, an espresso traditionally requires 9 bar to properly extract. It's doubtful that that even 1 bar of pressure makes any difference to extraction at all.

But assuming that it does, and you think that pressure is a good thing - why on Earth would you instruct people to press "gently"? Now you're looking at more like 0.1 bar of pressure. That's definitely negligible, certainly not "high pressure" or even "relatively high".

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by Emma_Goldman on Saturday February 25, 2023 @08:05AM (#34936368)
What a bizarre and pointless contortion - this is exactly why I now avoid commenting on the internet.

I said the aeropress combined immersion and high pressure. What is 'high' is obviously relative, as I just qualified.

I did not say the higher the pressure the better, which is obvious enough from the fact I prefer using an aeropress to an espresso machine.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by sdfhbdf on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:04AM (#34935677)
I don't think there is any more pressure created when making a coffee with an AeroPress than with any other immersion method. The plunger is just to push the liquid through, it doesn't create any additional pressure.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by asimpletune on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:42AM (#34935864)
It does create additional pressure. I think the real question is if that pressure is in any way detectable. Think aeropress vs. French press. The pushing in a french press simple separates the particles, while the aeropress is indeed squeezing the water through the filter.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by 7952 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @07:55AM (#34936302)
Maybe the pressure isn't directly having an effect. But a side effect is that you stop the brew process after a short period of time and that will have an effect on taste.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by Emma_Goldman on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:57AM (#34935970)
There is. What effect that has is an interesting question.

Aeropress FAQ:

"The AeroPress filter is 2.5 inches in diameter so the area of the filter is 4.9 square inches. If you press down firmly on a scale, it is relatively easy to get the scale up to 25 pounds and then if you press hard on the scale, you can certainly get it up to 50 pounds. Therefore if you press similarly hard on your AeroPress while brewing coffee, the firm pressing will be at 5.1 psi (25 lbs/4.9 sq in) and the harder pressing will be at 10.2 psi (50 lbs/4.9 sq in). Since a bar of pressure is 14.7 psi, the former is .35 bar and the latter is .70 bar."

https://www.aeropress.co.uk/pages/faqs

See also James Hoffman's experiment:

https://youtu.be/jBXm8fCWdo8?t=976

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by 2devnull on Saturday February 25, 2023 @12:57PM (#34938744)
Espresso requires a multiple of that— 9 bars minimum if I recall correctly.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by Emma_Goldman on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:05PM (#34938836)
I know. I said that in the comments below.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by swarnie on Saturday February 25, 2023 @03:48AM (#34935054)
This comment just cost me £90, you better be right. =)
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by WelcomeShorty on Saturday February 25, 2023 @03:52AM (#34935069)
Same here!

And a SMEG water kettle(0) with temperature settings. I use 90C for almost all coffee.

0: https://www.smeg.com/kettles/variable-temp.-kettles

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by r00fus on Saturday February 25, 2023 @02:42PM (#34939742)
This brand is so asking for a red dwarf product placement.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by sails on Saturday February 25, 2023 @03:58AM (#34935096)
Making aeropress for 4 is an unsolved problem. Takes forever, and from my reading the French press alternatives don’t quite cut it
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by rkachowski on Saturday February 25, 2023 @04:07AM (#34935136)
I have an aeropress and a hand grinder, yet I can't make that awesome coffee. I don't feel like I'm over complicating it so I must be missing screwing up fundamental.

This leaves bean choice, brewing time and grind size. Are there some really basic fool proof values to start with here?

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by jibbit on Saturday February 25, 2023 @04:26AM (#34935234)
I’ve also tried, and failed with aeropress. I found that grind size is very tricky to convey with words or photos. e.g.

https://elegantcoffee.com/coffee-grind-size-brewing-methods/

It’s almost like a wind-up.

I also don’t know if my grinder is any good. I only know it was expensive.

Even more fundamentally, it would help if I could drink some aeropress coffee made by someone who knew what they were doing.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by helsinkiandrew on Saturday February 25, 2023 @04:26AM (#34935235)
I was also quite disappointed with my aeropress. I think it’s OK coffee just it didn’t match the hype/expectation.

I find the James Hoffmann french press technique - basically stir, break the crust, and let time and gravity do the work produces a far nicer cup of coffee:

https://youtu.be/st571DYYTR8

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by yaur on Saturday February 25, 2023 @04:25AM (#34935231)
We have a french press and a burr grinder. Brewing at 190F has finally made me able to appreciate the difference between various beans. DW prefers to brew at 200f which blows all of that subtlety out and leaves brew that is mild and suitable for mixing with milk and sugar.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by nvarsj on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:56AM (#34935965)
Very much the same. Aeropress user for 10 years now. I bought a metal filter years ago and it’s still going strong - probably the best upgrade possible. Not sure if they exist still - bought it on kickstarter.

This year I finally “upgraded” and bought a Niche grinder and reverse osmosis water system with instant boiling water (Osmosis Zero). Mostly for convenience rather than taste. But still using the Aeropress.

My Aeropress recipe is taken from some champion winning recipe and I’ve used it for years:

  - Inverted Aeropress
  - Fill with boiling water to heat it up
  - Grind one scoop of beans (18g)
  - Pour hot water from Aeropress into mug to warm mug
  - Put grind into Aeropress
  - Pour a small amount of boiling water in and stir to wet grind
  - Start 2 min timer at same time as pouring in
  - At 1:40 fill up Aeropress rest of way, put on filter and cap
  - Let sit to 0:50 and pour out mug while waiting
  - Invert Aeropress and put on mug
  - Slowly press out coffee over the last 50s
  - Done!
The only thing you need to adjust is the grind. If too astringent, use a coarser grind. If too weak, use a finer grind. Then enjoy :).
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by strich on Saturday February 25, 2023 @08:14AM (#34936420)
Why steep the grind in a small amount of water for 2mins vs simply filling the press up straight away?
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by nvarsj on Saturday February 25, 2023 @08:54AM (#34936677)
20s gives time to pour hot water and stir. It makes sense when you do it. Start the timer before pouring the first water. Idea is to wet all the grinds - if you fill it right away there may be some dry grinds on the bottom (especially with a finer grind).
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by basch on Saturday February 25, 2023 @09:16AM (#34936830)
I’m sure there’s a million more specific changes to the chemistry of coffee by blooming, but the basics are:

Regular coffee you bloom so channels don’t form for all the water to run down.

With the Aeropress, the coffee foams and could foam over if you fill it, so blooming first let’s you stir the bubbles out and then top it off.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by ndsipa_pomu on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:15PM (#34938970)
The number of times that I've watched the bloom encroaching over the top of it and then carefully prodding it to release some gas so it can drop down again. I need to be more patient, I think.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by basch on Monday February 27, 2023 @08:33AM (#34956174)
are you filling it to the top with water right away?
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by SSLy on Saturday February 25, 2023 @09:03AM (#34936751)
> Not sure if they exist still - bought it on kickstarter.

https://fellowproducts.com/products/prismo/

You also don't have to bother with inverting with this metal filter.

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by hobr on Saturday February 25, 2023 @09:04AM (#34936758)
I recently bought the Fellow Prismo AeroPress Attachment [1] which is a metal filter and a new valve head which makes any inverted brewing method simpler and, to my taste, gives a more espresso-like result.

[1]: https://fellowproducts.com/products/prismo

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by nunez on Sunday February 26, 2023 @09:02AM (#34945603)
After having an inverted AeroPress explode on me in a hotel one time, I bought a Prismo for it and never looked back.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by nvarsj on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @12:48PM (#34972390)
Oh awesome, I might need to buy one of these.
Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by madduci on Saturday February 25, 2023 @07:06AM (#34936036)
For me was the same. I am very happy of my DeLonghi machine where I can put beans or pulverised and i can make espresso or long coffee as I desire.

The real trick is to find the optimal beans, Lavazza and Segafredo work best for me

Re:The Beginner's Guide to over­Complicating Coffee by ndsipa_pomu on Saturday February 25, 2023 @09:09AM (#34936785)
I can heartily recommend the Knock grinders: https://madebyknock.com/

Their Aergrind is designed to fit in the middle of an AeroPress and is extremely well made, so perfect for travelling with.