Another UFO shot down over Canada by US

Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by ARandomerDude on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:50PM (#34759524)

Yeah everybody being on alert after China sent an instrumented reconnaissance balloon is fear-mongering propaganda.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by pphysch on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:39PM (#34759827)

Oh no, they are spying on the weather. Better start WW3 before they advance to satellite tech.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by 10xDev on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:13AM (#34760045)

These articles are making me realise just how much of the HN demographic is Chinese. Either that or simply naive when it comes to international affairs.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by anon7725 on Sunday February 12, 2023 @02:34AM (#34760736)

HN is filled with pro-China sock puppet accounts and useful idiots.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by dang on Tuesday February 14, 2023 @03:41AM (#34786943)

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by localplume on Sunday February 12, 2023 @04:37AM (#34761445)

Its probably just anti-American Americans, who would seemingly rather side with the enemy rather than their own country. Honestly I've seen posts spouting Chinese/Russian propaganda. its scary.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by CyanBird on Sunday February 12, 2023 @06:32AM (#34762028)

> simply naive

By this "naive" but you are ofc referring to all of the ones worried for high altitude jetstream weather balloons spying on them right?

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by pphysch on Sunday February 12, 2023 @08:16PM (#34769018)

You can't be serious

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by 10xDev on Monday February 13, 2023 @04:35PM (#34780950)

16 upvotes tells me many are feeling the same.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by Scalene2 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:58PM (#34759567)

You do know that they have done this several times over the last decade or so, right?

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by localplume on Sunday February 12, 2023 @04:36AM (#34761434)

you do know that these events are markedly different due to loitering duration and that its more brazen right?

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by Scalene2 on Sunday February 12, 2023 @08:17AM (#34762592)

You got a cite detailing the previous events?

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by mouse_ on Saturday February 11, 2023 @10:59PM (#34759572)

Except this time, no one under 40 seems to give a shit.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by justin66 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:33PM (#34759761)

> I feel like I'm thrown back to the 80s, all this military and fear mongering and propaganda and war.

I can't imagine what sort of lens you were using to view the last thirty years, such that those were the peaceful, propaganda-free times and all this shit with balloons is troubling.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by Miraste on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:32AM (#34760146)

The 80s is too far back, probably 2003 was the last peak, but since it became clear Afghanistan and Iraq were disasters the war propaganda complex was muted for years. Remember when Romney said Russia was the US's biggest threat in 2012, and Obama mocked him? Now both parties are back in on the war machine with Ukraine and Taiwan, and the propaganda's running at levels we haven't seen for twenty years.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by justin66 on Sunday February 12, 2023 @12:49AM (#34760227)

> since it became clear Afghanistan and Iraq were disasters the war propaganda complex was muted for years

If it weren't for propaganda, we would have found the will to exit those wars well over a decade ago.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by ss108 on Monday February 13, 2023 @03:44PM (#34780139)

Leaving Iraq earlier would have been fucked up. We would wrecked the country, destabilized it, raised the problem of sectarian warfare, and then bounced. We still basically did that, but at least helped it with ISIS before leaving.

As it is, we arguably owe it more.

You can see what the result of leaving Afghanistan has been. We should have devoted more resources to nation building there.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by ss108 on Monday February 13, 2023 @03:41PM (#34780096)

Not sure what you think is "propaganda" about concerns about Russian aggression in Ukraine or about China's evils.

Even Afghanistan wasn't a matter of propaganda so much as other flaws/isaues, such as overreactivity and hubris.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by csomar on Saturday February 11, 2023 @11:38PM (#34759821)

Both parties seems to be ready for a war. At least, the US seems to want it. Time to prop the propaganda agenda and psychologically prepare the minions.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by DeLeeuw on Sunday February 12, 2023 @11:38AM (#34764188)

I have to agree a bit here, China is the new Evil Empire.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by jeswin on Sunday February 12, 2023 @01:24AM (#34760411)

For all its flaws, I'd take a democracy over the Soviets the 80s, or CCP/North Korea today. I can't imagine what the world would have looked like if the Soviets won the cold war, or if the CCP wins the next.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by logicalmind on Sunday February 12, 2023 @01:37AM (#34760487)

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.

-John Kenneth Galbraith

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by scruple on Sunday February 12, 2023 @01:58AM (#34760579)

That's funny but under one of these systems the people have a hope of fixing the ineptitude and corruption. Under the other, ehhh...

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by localplume on Sunday February 12, 2023 @04:34AM (#34761425)

cute quote, but meaningless. ask anyone who lived in a communist/ex-soviet state which is better. also why [over 100,000 citizens of east germany](https://www.berlin.de/mauer/en/history/victims-of-the-wall/) tried to escape, many dying in their attempts. its without a doubt which is better.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by ggm on Sunday February 12, 2023 @01:44AM (#34760520)

Most counterfactual fiction in this space has the repressive state continuing to be repressive and normalising "othering" of <bad people> and it's a well trodden path. Robert Harris, Len Deighton, Ira Levin, Yevgeny Zamyatin. Harry Harrison, Ward Moore.

Winning under MAD is moot. There undoubtedly will be losers at scale.

Historians differ if forcing the soviets to bankruptcy was necessarily better than a rapprochement. It worked, sure but like the end of ww1 gave birth to stab in the back rightist views of history, the FSU is now a kleptocracy and minor fights in Africa and the Middle east are now entrenched social cancers.

Afghanistan and the role of US funds to Pakistan on the region. Not a net benefit all told.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by throwaway290 on Sunday February 12, 2023 @02:03AM (#34760604)

I'm Russian and I am of the same opinion.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by darthrupert on Sunday February 12, 2023 @02:27AM (#34760710)

95% of humanity would also, if they were given a fair choice and knowledge of all those systems.

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Re:Another UFO shot down over Canada by US by UberFly on Sunday February 12, 2023 @01:24AM (#34760414)

Never mind the 80s, I feel like I'm thrown back into the 1950s with all this talk of surveillance balloons. What kind of oddball nonsense is China playing. Haven't they heard of satellites?

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